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    WI - Mary Ellen Kaldenberg, 17, murdered in Kenosha, Feb 1967

    In 1967 my cousin Mary Ellen Kaldenberg was murdered in Kenosha, Wisconsin on approx. Feb 9th. She was found bruttaly stabbed on Feb 14, 1967 in an old abandoned hearst near the Rail Road tracks. She had walked from her home to the store (a short distance) & was to return back home quickly as she was meeting her boyfriend for a date. There have been numerous theories, to include serial killers & possible suspects however to date this case has gone unsolved. It seems to have been put to the bottom of the pile, due to lack of evidence. The police detectives have worked diligently for many years to solve this & still nobody has been brought to justice. It has been 44 years since her murder. Her mother went to her grave never knowing who killed her only daughter. I decided to reach out to the public & create an awareness about this case & with any luck & the help of God & his Angels just maybe we can find out who killed this innocent young girl. If the murderer of Mary Ellen is still alive & reading this please clear your conscience & confess because if you don't when you do die God is going to punish you worse then you could ever imagine the authorities will.
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    How sad! Do you have any old newspaper clippings etc that you could post to give more nformation on this case? Thanks

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    Yes, there are numerous. I am working on putting all that together & will post links, am new at this so I just need to figure it all out. Thank you for your interest.

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    I first read about this case in Getting Away With Murder. It's #169 on my top 210 Classic Unsolved Murder Cases list. I hope you can find some peace and satisfaction regarding this crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    I first read about this case in Getting Away With Murder. It's #169 on my top 210 Classic Unsolved Murder Cases list. I hope you can find some peace and satisfaction regarding this crime.
    Stan, can you help by sharing any info you've discovered about Mary Ellen's disappearance? I'll start:

    Missing from Kenosha, WI
    Last reported seen on or about 2/9/67
    Remains found in a vehicle near RR tracks
    Remains discovered 2/14/67
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    The account I have says:

    No one remembered seeing her at her supposed destination

    She was apparently stabbed to death in the derelict hearse more than a mile from that destination

    This vehicle was in an impound lot and had been there for many weeks before the crime

    The victim was fully clothed with the exception of her shoes that had been removed and placed next to her body

    She had not been sexually interfered with

    A slab of broken concrete was placed across her abdomen, probably after death

    One witness said he saw a blue 1962 Rambler near the crime scene on the night of the murder which has not been found or explained
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    You can hold back from the suffering of the world. You have free permission to do so and it is in accordance with your nature.
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    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=7312,2175763

    Mary Ellen mentioned near bottom of middle column.
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    Stan, thanks for all that info! Can you link to the source(s)? If so, I think that what you've provided would give WS sleuthers lots to work on.
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    That information is out of the book I have - Getting Away With Murder 1991 Bonus Books by Ed Baumann and John O'Brien - which has a chapter on the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    That information is out of the book I have - Getting Away With Murder 1991 Bonus Books by Ed Baumann and John O'Brien - which has a chapter on the case. The account I have says:

    No one remembered seeing her at her supposed destination

    She was apparently stabbed to death in the derelict hearse more than a mile from that destination
    Do we know what she was wearing when she left to go to that destination? Do we know how far the derelict hearse is from her home? I.e., do we think she got to her destination and was taken from there, or was she lured or taken from a different spot along her route to the shop?

    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    This vehicle was in an impound lot and had been there for many weeks before the crime
    Do we know if the impound lot was locked or secured in some way? Who had access to the lot, who might have known there was a hearse there?

    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    The victim was fully clothed with the exception of her shoes that had been removed and placed next to her body

    She had not been sexually interfered with

    A slab of broken concrete was placed across her abdomen, probably after death
    Shoes next to body (situated how?) + slab of concrete over abdomen + lack of sexual abuse seem to equal a very unique signature. If slab of concrete is accurate--what kind/composition of concrete, how thick, and does this match other crimes in this timeframe? Where did concrete come from; road work or ????

    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    One witness said he saw a blue 1962 Rambler near the crime scene on the night of the murder that has not been found or explained
    Near the crime scene = near the impound yard where the hearse was, I guess?

    Stan, thanks again for tracking what we know about what happened to Mary Ellen.
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    All from this single source:

    She was wearing a green sweater, black stretch pants and a red ski jacket and had been stabbed through the upper garments.

    The hearse was "more than a mile from the corner drugstore" which was 2 blocks from her home.

    I don't think we know if she made it to the drugstore unless someone has some information that I don't.

    The lot was locked up at night but the fence was such that it could be crawled under or climbed over so anyone could have gotten in there where this vehicle and others were kept.

    It just says the shoes were "arranged neatly next to the corpse".

    I don't know any other crimes in this region with the concrete slab but it supposedly came from a broken up sidewalk.

    Yes, the Rambler was seen near the auto pound.
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    How far was the pond from where they kept the vehicles, Specifically the hearse in that lot? And I heard the concrete was actually further away. I so appreciate any help you can give.

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    Still mind-boggled at the notion of the body being found in an old hearse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Still mind-boggled at the notion of the body being found in an old hearse.
    And that apparently the murder took place inside that vehicle... If she had been murdered elsewhere and brought to the impound site, seems there would be evidence showing that. So she was led there, forcibly or not, entered the vehicle willingly or not, and was apparently murdered inside it.

    Help us out here, Mary Ellen. What happened to you?
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    I think there may have been something on that, can't remember. thank you for your interest. My prayers to all the families of murdered victims.

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    Wow, thanks everyone for assisting me so quickly and getting my info out there. My printer scanner isnt working so good & am struggling to link the articles I wanted to. Hope its not me Stan, thank you for your info: I was wondering what other crime scene regions you might have been referring to......and what year was the rambler? I really appreciate your help. Anything anyone may have is so appreciated. My Love & prayers to all the families of our victims, Tam

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    Quote Originally Posted by helpthevictims View Post
    I was wondering what other crime scene regions you might have been referring to......and what year was the rambler?
    Hi Tam:

    I was just thinking of a teenage girl, Shirley Collins, who was smashed under a concrete slab in Australia in 1953 so that's why I said no more - too much of a stretch.

    It says the Rambler was a 1962 model.
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    Help me out here with "auto pond"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    Help me out here with "auto pond"?
    Sorry, I meant "auto pound"
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    What is an auto pound? oops never mind, I get it. thank you. disregard. Must be tired Stan.

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    The impound lot where they take vehicles that are towed, yes?

    (Which if I am right means that there should be records of vehicles towed to the impound lot?)
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    The hearse had been there previously, how long I don't know. But I do know it had been there for a while, I believe it may have either had flat tires or maybe missing tires. don't know but it was already there prior to this maniac leaving HER there. What kind of person does something like this?! Leaving a poor stabbed to death young innocent girl in a hearse before her time. What do you think he was trying to say by choosing the hearse? What kind of fascination with the dead does this say? Sure wish we had the answers. Hell at this stage I will take a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helpthevictims View Post
    The hearse had been there previously, how long I don't know. But I do know it had been there for a while, I believe it may have either had flat tires or maybe missing tires. don't know but it was already there prior to this maniac leaving HER there. What kind of person does something like this?! Leaving a poor stabbed to death young innocent girl in a hearse before her time. What do you think he was trying to say by choosing the hearse? What kind of fascination with the dead does this say? Sure wish we had the answers. Hell at this stage I will take a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Apologies for quoting such an old post.. But I come and read this thread every now and then, looking for updates, and always pause on this post... I have NO doubt the killer KNEW the hearse was there, prior to Mary Ellen's murder. To my mind, it MUST have held some significance to him.. I am sure there were plenty of other "private" places he could have taken her, and add to that the stones/burial aspect.. I do think burial was part of this killer's plan from the get-go.

    I think a single man could easily have dragged a girl of that age, but if she was conscious, she would have been kicking and screaming.. it's not like she was a small child. So I tend to think maybe Mary Ellen was incapacitated in some way, to be dragged off her path into a vehicle, from there taken to the impound lot where she was dragged through the fence and into the hearse. It's quite a long way off her intended route, which makes me think he sourced the desired 'kill site' before he took his victim.

    I don't really see a woman's hand in this, I have to say. My ideas concur closely with Rich's here, that it was likely a single killer with a fantasy he was playing out. He found the hearse, and then found the victim to occupy it. I'm even betting he likely had the blocks of concrete already stacked nearby..

    If this man went on to kill again, his crimes might not necessarily follow this *exact* scenario, ie, there might not be stones placed, etc. But I'd not be surprised if piquerism (stabbing as a sexual act) was an element, as well as a LOT of attention paid to the bodies.

    In any case, I am sure this person spent time in the area prior to Mary Ellen's death, and likely would have scoped out the hearse/lot prior to the abduction of his victim. I am also pretty sure he would have used a vehicle to take her to the site. I am doubtful she was conscious for that.

    Why was the a hearse in the impound lot, anyway. Bit an odd vehicle to end up there..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    The impound lot where they take vehicles that are towed, yes?

    (Which if I am right means that there should be records of vehicles towed to the impound lot?)
    Correct and I would think.

    They did know who used the hearse and that it was towed in, I think, because it was blocking a snow plow from doing its work.
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