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    In response to Oceanblueeyes. I believe even some of the talking heads on hln last night were surprised that the only drugs found in MJs system were from Murray. I didn't watch all the infotainment shows but caught bits and pieces.

    MJ was also trying to perform like he always had and he was not 30 or 40 this time. That extra 10 years adds a lot of extra aches and pains. Some of the pills were from dental work, and such, like you mentioned we all probably have those laying around somewhere.

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    I am going to believe that the propofol bottle that was in the saline bag was used for a gravity flow IV and that the tubing that was used for this was removed and/or flushed with saline before anyone besides Murray was on the scene. (Don't believe there was tubing connecting MJ to the bag when Alvarez arrived and that the IV Michael's leg was only hep locked (meaning closed via a 't-connector' which is the purpose of this device). Further, when the saline bag containing the propofol was removed and placed in the bag, the propofol bottle would have fallen out, since it was of a considerable weight (thick glass bottle). Murray, what a snake you are!

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    Where is the propofol vial that is missing only 25 ml, Dr. Murray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    I am going to believe that the propofol bottle that was in the saline bag was used for a gravity flow IV and that the tubing that was used for this was removed and/or flushed with saline before anyone besides Murray was on the scene. (Don't believe there was tubing connecting MJ to the bag when Alvarez arrived and that the IV Michael's leg was only hep locked (meaning closed via a 't-connector' which is the purpose of this device). Further, when the saline bag containing the propofol was removed and placed in the bag, the propofol bottle would have fallen out, since it was of a considerable weight (thick glass bottle). Murray, what a snake you are!
    The security guard Alverez testified that he saw Murray pull out an iv, but he also testified that he helped put MJ on the floor for CPR, so perhaps since the time line does not follow in line with the EMTs I wonder what the jury will believe? There seems to be confusion with the time line and questions about that propofol bottle and saline, I really wish we could see how the jury is reacting to the testimony. I know why they don't show the jury but it would be helpful to see them.

    I also believe that is how the saline and propofol bottle was used but will the jury without pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    The security guard Alverez testified that he saw Murray pull out an iv, but he also testified that he helped put MJ on the floor for CPR, so perhaps since the time line does not follow in line with the EMTs I wonder what the jury will believe? There seems to be confusion with the time line and questions about that propofol bottle and saline, I really wish we could see how the jury is reacting to the testimony. I know why they don't show the jury but it would be helpful to see them.

    I also believe that is how the saline and propofol bottle was used but will the jury without pictures?
    I don't think that will mean anything to the jury. They will pull from their own experiences and will know when traumatic things are happening things can slow down and time sequences gets mixed up.

    How long was AA on the phone to 911?

    The EMTs did see Murray and AA getting MJ off the bed when they walked in.

    I guess Murray may have felt he needed help from AA to get him on the floor and AA was talking to 911.

    I imagine an expert will testify to how he believes the IV was rigged up.

    The state will bring it to the attention that Fleak never has talked with AA ever. She takes photos of items separately but on the one with the propofol and saline bag she took together as one because those two items were seen conjoined together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weedemout View Post
    he's not that stupid...enough to leave a trail of notes behind.
    CM is quite expert at the game of CYA. How else would he keep that many girlfriends at once?


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I think just like everything to do with MJ it was blown way out of proportion. A full blown addict will take everything and anything they can get their hands on especially if it is right there in their home for the taking. So him being a drug addict at the time is a bunch of baloney, imo. I don't think he even wanted the other drug cocktail that Murray decided to give him. IMO
    Above post Respectfully snipped for space.

    Ya know, OceanBlueEyes, there were a few years in my life that several docs and a few specialists were trying to find the correct cocktail of drugs that would work for me with the least amount of side effects.
    Having had two ulcers and a couple other gastrointestinal diseases, there aren't many pain meds that I can take for long periods of time without causing me more problems than what the meds were supposed to ease.

    Docs would write a script for 30 pills, I'd use a few until terrible side effects would start and I'd throw that bottle in a drawer....on to the next medication to give it a try.

    When my parents moved in with us I had to compress everything....make more room, needed more storage.
    In the process of cleaning out drawers and cupboards, I must have gathered at least 40 different bottles of script pain meds.
    Added to those type of meds were meds for anxiety, meds to relax, meds to make stomach spasms relax (which makes your whole body relax) etc.

    I started to put the bottles of meds in a mens shoe box and guess what.....they didn't all fit!
    If someone would have had the need to look through my drawers and cupboards at that time, they would have come to the quick conclusion that I was a druggy.

    With nothing else working for MJ's sleep, I can see where he would have been able to amass a huge amount of meds trying anything and everything to help him sleep. Those meds didn't work, thus, there were still pills in the bottles and his collection just kept growing as he tried a new drug.
    I totally understand that.
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    I have no medical background and have been fortunate to only take a few meds in my life. I was shocked yesterday at the amount of drugs present. That being said, because I have no knowledge of the drugs, I have to admit that I lost interest very quicky. And I know it has to be presented to get on the record etc. - but I wonder how many jurors were able to follow the dialog all afternoon?????

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