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    CA - Montecito Heights, Wht/HispFem UP4368, 12-18, 'Kay' on sandal, Aug'80

    I could not find any thread started for this UID...

    Doe Network

    Unidentified White or Hispanic Female

    * No image
    The victim was discovered on August 24, 1980 in East Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California
    She had been at this location since July/August, 1980.
    Decomposed Remains

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 14-17 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"-5'8".
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Reddish/Brown hair, 8" long.
    Clothing: Unknown color blouse; pants with zipper; two rubber sandals, one with "Kay" written on it in ink.
    Articles Near Body: Comb; hairbrush; hair beret.
    Fingerprints: Available
    Dentals: Available

    Case History
    The victim was located in Montecito Hills Regional Park, Montecito Heights, East Los Angeles, California on August 24, 1980. She was noted at this location by a teenager on August 24, 1980, but was not reported to authorities until August 30, 1980. This location was in a remote, fairly inaccessible heavy brush area. Investigation reveals that the victim was killed at this location.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Richard C. Kennerly
    LASD Homicide/Cold Case Unit
    323-890-5500
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    LASD Case Number:
    80-891376 / Jane Doe 100

    ME Case Number:
    80-11186

    NCIC Number:
    U-046123094
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    LASD Homicide/Cold Case Unit
    NamUs

    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1408.html


    NamUs


    Case Information

    Status: Unidentified

    Case number: 8011186

    Date found: August 30, 1980 at 12:00 AM

    Date created: September 10, 2008 at 12:00 AM

    Date last modified: March 01, 2011 at 09:59 AM

    Demographics

    Estimated age: Adolescent

    Minimum age: 12 years

    Maximum age: 18 years

    Race: White

    Ethnicity: N/A

    Sex: Female

    Weight (pounds): 0, Estimated

    Height (inches): 66, Estimated

    Body condition: Not recognizable - Mummified

    Probable year of death: 1980 to 1980

    Physical

    Hair color: Red/Auburn

    Head hair: Reddish Brown

    Left eye color:Unknown or Missing

    Right eye color:Unknown or Missing

    Eye description: Unknown

    Circumstances

    State: California

    County:Los Angeles

    Circumstances of death: Decedent found on the ground in a park, in an area of steep hills and dense foliage one-quarter mile east of the 110 freeway.


    Fingerprints


    N/A - Mummified/skeletal

    Clothing and Accessories

    Footwear: RUBBER SANDALS

    Articles: Near Body - Comb, Hairbrush, Hair Beret, empty condom wrapper, Condom nearby

    DNA

    No DNA specimen available

    Dentals

    All teeth Natural, no fillings but lower left tooth # 23 Postmortem loss (open socket)

    * No Image

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4368


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    I believe a good match for this UID maybe:

    Case File 3016DFCA1

    Jackie Kay Boyer
    Missing since May 21, 1980 from Windsor, Sonoma County, California
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date of Birth: May 7, 1968
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 80-90 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blond hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a small scar on her inside right forearm.
    Dentals: Available

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Jackie went missing on May 21, 1980, 2 weeks after her 12th birthday. She disappeared from her bedroom with no signs of struggle. A chair was found by her window. Height and weight are approximations.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3016dfca.html
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    Interesting possible. Her middle name "Kay" matches the notation on the sandals. Her hair color doesn't seem to match, but distinguishing between Blonde, Brown, Blondish Brown, Reddish Brown, etc. is not always reliable.

    ETA: Her height is way off.

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    Mary Louise Day seems to be a reasonably close fit also, although she is also from Northern California.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/day_mary.html

    Kimberly Ann Kahler is close also, and is closer geographically.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/images...r_kimberly.jpg

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    At first I was thinking the same thing about her height but Jackie Kay Boyer's Height and weight are only approximations with that and the fact that the UID's height estimated, i don't believe it should be a direct rule-out.

    Boyer's hair colour is only listed on her Doe network file as blonde... but with the UID's Mummified/skeletal remains, dense foliage, outdoor ground conditions, and length of time of where the body was found, would that have make it difficult for hair color to be distinguish?

    Also I was unable to find Jackie Kay Boyer on NamUs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeds View Post
    Also I was unable to find Jackie Kay Boyer on NamUs.
    She used to be in NamUs, but her casefile was removed (or made publicly unavailable) for some unknown reason.

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    This one always gives me pause because there is a red headed teenage girl called Kay Docherty around the right age missing from Australia circa 1979.

    http://www.australianmissingpersonsr...ayDocherty.htm

    If LE ever gets around to doing a recon then it might be worth checking the teeth against Kay, as one of the the publicly available photos of her is a smiling one that shows her teeth reasonably well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reasypeasy View Post
    This one always gives me pause because there is a red headed teenage girl called Kay Docherty around the right age missing from Australia circa 1979.

    http://www.australianmissingpersonsr...ayDocherty.htm

    If LE ever gets around to doing a recon then it might be worth checking the teeth against Kay, as one of the the publicly available photos of her is a smiling one that shows her teeth reasonably well.
    She almost (but not quite) looks like Arroyo Grande.

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    What about....

    Kimberly Alice King

    Missing since September 16, 1979 from Warren, Macomb County, Michigan.
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: October 21, 1966
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5" (165 cm); 105 lbs (48 kg)
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes. Pug nose.
    Clothing: Blue sweater and Levis.
    Dentals: Available. Gap between the two front teeth. Upper incisor is peg shaped.
    DNA: Available.
    Fingerprints: Available.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    King spent the night at a friend's home on September 15, 1979.

    She was last seen crossing the street to use a telephone in Warren, Michigan the following day.

    Investigators


    http://doenetwork.org/cases/96dfmi.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._kimberly.html
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2544/0/

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    kpdx is offline Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of Everett WA
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    Noticed UID doesn't have any rule outs, wondered if anyone has been in touch with LE?

    Also, CarlK can you give a rough definition/time line of "mummified remains" and other lingo LE uses. Obviously, means no soft tissue but does that mean an estimate of 1-2 years usually?
    'Nothing clears up a case so much as stating it to another person.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdx View Post
    Also, CarlK can you give a rough definition/time line of "mummified remains" and other lingo LE uses. Obviously, means no soft tissue but does that mean an estimate of 1-2 years usually?
    It just means that some dried-out tissue remained on the bones.

    With very dry atmospheric conditions and a lack of scavenging wildlife, the body may not be reduced entirely to bones, but I don't know enough about what exact conditions and timeframe allow that to occur.


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    Montecito Park

    Quote Originally Posted by Deeds View Post
    I could not find any thread started for this UID...

    Doe Network

    Unidentified White or Hispanic Female

    * No image
    The victim was discovered on August 24, 1980 in East Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California
    She had been at this location since July/August, 1980.
    Decomposed Remains

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 14-17 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"-5'8".
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Reddish/Brown hair, 8" long.
    Clothing: Unknown color blouse; pants with zipper; two rubber sandals, one with "Kay" written on it in ink.
    Articles Near Body: Comb; hairbrush; hair beret.
    Fingerprints: Available
    Dentals: Available

    Case History
    The victim was located in Montecito Hills Regional Park, Montecito Heights, East Los Angeles, California on August 24, 1980. She was noted at this location by a teenager on August 24, 1980, but was not reported to authorities until August 30, 1980. This location was in a remote, fairly inaccessible heavy brush area. Investigation reveals that the victim was killed at this location.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Richard C. Kennerly
    LASD Homicide/Cold Case Unit
    323-890-5500
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    LASD Case Number:
    80-891376 / Jane Doe 100

    ME Case Number:
    80-11186

    NCIC Number:
    U-046123094
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    LASD Homicide/Cold Case Unit
    NamUs

    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1408.html


    NamUs


    Case Information

    Status: Unidentified

    Case number: 8011186

    Date found: August 30, 1980 at 12:00 AM

    Date created: September 10, 2008 at 12:00 AM

    Date last modified: March 01, 2011 at 09:59 AM

    Demographics

    Estimated age: Adolescent

    Minimum age: 12 years

    Maximum age: 18 years

    Race: White

    Ethnicity: N/A

    Sex: Female

    Weight (pounds): 0, Estimated

    Height (inches): 66, Estimated

    Body condition: Not recognizable - Mummified

    Probable year of death: 1980 to 1980

    Physical

    Hair color: Red/Auburn

    Head hair: Reddish Brown

    Left eye color:Unknown or Missing

    Right eye color:Unknown or Missing

    Eye description: Unknown

    Circumstances

    State: California

    County:Los Angeles

    Circumstances of death: Decedent found on the ground in a park, in an area of steep hills and dense foliage one-quarter mile east of the 110 freeway.


    Fingerprints


    N/A - Mummified/skeletal

    Clothing and Accessories

    Footwear: RUBBER SANDALS

    Articles: Near Body - Comb, Hairbrush, Hair Beret, empty condom wrapper, Condom nearby

    DNA

    No DNA specimen available

    Dentals

    All teeth Natural, no fillings but lower left tooth # 23 Postmortem loss (open socket)

    * No Image

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4368


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    I believe a good match for this UID maybe:

    Case File 3016DFCA1

    Jackie Kay Boyer
    Missing since May 21, 1980 from Windsor, Sonoma County, California
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date of Birth: May 7, 1968
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 80-90 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blond hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a small scar on her inside right forearm.
    Dentals: Available

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Jackie went missing on May 21, 1980, 2 weeks after her 12th birthday. She disappeared from her bedroom with no signs of struggle. A chair was found by her window. Height and weight are approximations.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3016dfca.html
    The Montecito Park on the attached map in your post is not the location where the UID was found. She was found in the Los Angelas Montecito park. Windor is about 60 miles north of San Francisco. Still does not rule Jackie out, just thought it was worth noting the error.

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    I think Kimberly Ann Kahler might be a match. If she wrote her initials KAK on the sandal, I can see how someone might have mistaken it for the name "KAY," especially if it was weathered. I guess Kay could have also been her nickname. Has anyone asked if she could be the UID?

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    Could also be Kimberly Alice King as someone mentioned earlier...but Kimberly was pretty far away geographically

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    if they saved the condom they might get DNA from the killer, assuming those were the circumstances of the UID's demise.

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    Now that I took a closer look at the dentals I doubt this is Kimberly Alice King. Distance too would be unlikely...

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