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    NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #11




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    skeleton from German Documentary - verified

    Can't find the pic / video(?) now, but it was a night shot of LE around the intact skeletal remains of one of the G4 victims. At the time, one of our posters (dotr maybe??) asked what the white marks might be on the skeleton (I concluded they could be from the flashlights, but i didn't post it). Anyway, the remains were on a large sheet of some kind (iirc, maybe about 8 ft sq). Could be that the remains had been removed to a large sheet by the ME, but I got the impression that was not the case. If my impression is correct, then the burlap was a large sheet rather than a smaller bag.

    If someone can find that pic/video, maybe we could analyze it more as it relates to the burlap. Who is our great WSer with the extensive archive of photos, etc from this case?
    I posted this frame from the German documentary back in July. If you watch the shot in the film you can tell it is real which is why I posted.

    I have never seen that other film before today, I think the white thing in that video is just one of the officers flashlights making a bright circle on the ground. I can't even make out if there are actually any remains still on the ground there when that was shot.

    As for using chemicals, I don't think there is even the need, on the barrier island an exposed human body would break down in a matter of weeks during the summer-ish months. You could always just grab a 50 lb. bag of lime from homedepot, I did this spring and it worked wonders on a dead deer under my house, went from a furry, bloody, pile of deer to pure bones in about 2-3 weeks in April/May, and the remains weren't exposed to the elements/rain.

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    Welcome to WS! Glad you joined the discussion. Great first post!
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    Does anyone know how long Brewer lived in the Oak Beach house?
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    Thanks for the video Seaslug ... it looks a bit different from what i'm recalling, but is most likely the same one. This one that you have provided seems to have much more clarity, and I don't see anything that looks like a sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    Thanks for the video Seaslug ... it looks a bit different from what i'm recalling, but is most likely the same one. This one that you have provided seems to have much more clarity, and I don't see anything that looks like a sheet.
    You are very welcome. Here is another link for those who missed it. Notice the lack of any noticeable burlap. I still think the skeleton looks strane like it's fake.

    Also, one very important clue can be seen here- notice how close to the side of the road the body was dumped?

    Someone easily could have driven right up to that location. When they stated the number of feet from the road the bodies were found they failed to mention that the first ten to twenty feet was the grassy curbside. To me, I consider this body as being dumped only two or three feet from the roadside (big difference).

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...URY8kHy8&gl=US

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    Glad you've joined us Night Watchman. Welcome !!

    I am interested in the initial assumptions contained in your post:

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    Given that Jessica Taylor's torso was found in Manorville, but her skull was located in close proximity to the Ocean Parkway victims, how is it that you have discounted there being a connection between the remains found at the two locations?

    Why do you believe that Shannan's disappearance is not related? Also, could you please let us know why you believe JB and CPH have nothing to do with these cases.

    Thanks a bunch and again, Welcome!!

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    sillybilly-

    My premise is just a premise, but I’m trying to suggest the killer of the GB4 may not be related to many of the other facts, clues, and circumstances of the case. I’m looking at it much simpler.

    The method of the Manorville killer is much more violent and sinister. If he had a taste for cutting someone up, I would think killings would continue in that manner. The GB4 were handled “cleanly” and wrapped in burlap. As if the power and action of killing was the interest, not butchering. Cutting someone up is a gruesome action that would either appeal to a killer or not. So I don’t link the two. And the body parts found on Gilgo were not in the immediate cluster of the other 5 bodies.

    I think the killer of the GB4 was methodical in what he did. No loose ends, protecting himself by his actions. Shannon would be an opportunity, but does he turn it on that quickly, always in the mood? I doubt it. I think he’s prepared, and the chase and preparation is part of the thrill. Shannon’s situation was vulnerable but with lots of loose ends, who was she with, who knew where she was etc. It would be rash and unplanned vs, the methodical nature of the GB4 killings.

    JB and CPH. JB was linked directly to SG by the driver etc, so I can’t see him acting against her, and haven’t seen evidence pointing that way. And nothing connects him to the GB4. The facts on CPH are more confusing, but from what I’ve seen I just find him bumbling and unfortunately thrust into this. When I think about the GB4 case, I try to put myself in the mind of someone doing the killing. Where would I feel comfortable disposing of a body? Certainly not within a couple miles of my house. I feel the GB4 dump location screams of someone coming over the causeway from the LI mainland to dump and reverse directions or hit the western causeway. I think the killer lives within 40 miles on the mainland, otherwise he might choose a different area to dispose of bodies.

    I was trying to emphasize the importance of the cross dressing Asian. If the GB4 killer killed him as well, then the cross dressing aspect of it should raise flags about the killer’s potential sexual confusion, perversion, identity, and past abuse. This killing may have been emotional in immediate reactionary anger vs methodical killings based on deep anger/hatred/other. And I would suggest it was unplanned, possibly leaving important clues if the night he died can be reconstructed in any way. I’m also not implying that transvestites are perverse, I suspect many are well adjusted, but one ending up dead may lead to finding the identity of the killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Night Watchman View Post
    ....I was trying to emphasize the importance of the cross dressing Asian. If the GB4 killer killed him as well, then the cross dressing aspect of it should raise flags about the killerís potential sexual confusion, perversion, identity, and past abuse....
    OK, I like where you're going with this, Watchman. So where does someone even find a transvestite 5-10 years ago?

    If you're right about the connection, it's possible that the M.O. in this case was either Craigslist or AOL chat rooms (I'm saying AOL because it used to be called "GAY-OL" referring to the gay community that used the chat rooms to hook up). AOL was really popular 10 years ago, maybe even more than Craigslist for the alternative lifestyle crowd.

    Ever since I heard that the victim was a man in woman's clothing, I assumed that what happened was someone tried hooking up with a transvestite and got totally freaked out and bashed their head in. There could definitely be a religious connection too in addition to a sexual orientation issue (i.e., a Catholic raised with the strong fear of going to hell, etc.). Maybe that's why now they kill fornicating "whores".

    I'd say the biggest, closest "alternative lifestyle" Asian population in Brooklyn or Queens, which is likely (IMO) where this victim came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    OK, I like where you're going with this, Watchman. So where does someone even find a transvestite 5-10 years ago?

    If you're right about the connection, it's possible that the M.O. in this case was either Craigslist or AOL chat rooms (I'm saying AOL because it used to be called "GAY-OL" referring to the gay community that used the chat rooms to hook up). AOL was really popular 10 years ago, maybe even more than Craigslist for the alternative lifestyle crowd.

    Ever since I heard that the victim was a man in woman's clothing, I assumed that what happened was someone tried hooking up with a transvestite and got totally freaked out and bashed their head in. There could definitely be a religious connection too in addition to a sexual orientation issue (i.e., a Catholic raised with the strong fear of going to hell, etc.). Maybe that's why now they kill fornicating "whores".

    I'd say the biggest, closest "alternative lifestyle" Asian population in Brooklyn or Queens, which is likely (IMO) where this victim came from.
    The Asian male probably has a connection to Cherry Grove or The Pines on Fire Island. Maybe things got out of hand one summer night and the Asian male was killed. But I'm just trying to figure out how the body made it to Gilgo from Fire Island. I am thinking that someone must have taken a private boat from Cherry Grove to Oak Beach, loaded their car and then jumped on the Ocean Parkway for disposal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goathairjones View Post
    But I'm just trying to figure out how the body made it to Gilgo from Fire Island. I am thinking that someone must have taken a private boat from Cherry Grove to Oak Beach, loaded their car and then jumped on the Ocean Parkway for disposal.
    If you are truly familiar with the Great South Bay and the logistics of the barrier Island, why would you make such a suggestion?

    For starters, if someone was going to use their private boat to dispose of a body from Cherry Grove on Fire Island, wouldn't it be much easier (and much less riskier) to simply dispose of the body on one of the dozens of grassy (as well as heavily wooded) deserted islands that clutter the bay? I mean seriously, someone approaching Oak Beach by boat would not have the slightest clue who could be on the shoreline waiting to discover them unload the body.

    Then there is the whole issue about "loading their car and and jumping on the Ocean Parkway". Most of the visitors to the residential parts of Fire Island arrive there by ferry (which puts their cars at the ferry terminals on the mainland). How does someone arrange to have their car transported to Oak Beach from Bay Shore, Sayville or Patchogue? Even if they did, what do they do with their boat while they are out disposing of the body on the Parkway?

    Wouldn't it be easier to just drive the boat around to the Hemlock Cove/Cedar Beach Marina area of the State Boat Channel and dump the body along the parkway from the water instead of from land?

    Seems like an awful lot of trouble and risk taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    If you are truly familiar with the Great South Bay and the logistics of the barrier Island, why would you make such a suggestion?

    For starters, if someone was going to use their private boat to dispose of a body from Cherry Grove on Fire Island, wouldn't it be much easier (and much less riskier) to simply dispose of the body on one of the dozens of grassy (as well as heavily wooded) deserted islands that clutter the bay? I mean seriously, someone approaching Oak Beach by boat would not have the slightest clue who could be on the shoreline waiting to discover them unload the body.

    Then there is the whole issue about "loading their car and and jumping on the Ocean Parkway". Most of the visitors to the residential parts of Fire Island arrive there by ferry (which puts their cars at the ferry terminals on the mainland). How does someone arrange to have their car transported to Oak Beach from Bay Shore, Sayville or Patchogue? Even if they did, what do they do with their boat while they are out disposing of the body on the Parkway?

    Wouldn't it be easier to just drive the boat around to the Hemlock Cove/Cedar Beach Marina area of the State Boat Channel and dump the body along the parkway from the water instead of from land?

    Seems like an awful lot of trouble and risk taking.
    Seaslug, I was insinuating that the killer lived in Oak Beach, took his own boat to Cherry Grove, picked up the Asian cross-dresser, killed him put him into his boat, took him back to Oak Beach, loaded him into his car and then dumped him off the Ocean Parkway east of Gilgo.

    Just speculation on my part. Just trying to think of ways for a body to get from Cherry Grove to Gilgo.

    It would be very easy to load a 100 pound body into a boat. Put it in one of those large fishing coolers and nobody would be the wiser. I have a 32' Albin and I am constantly loading and unloading my boat with that big fishing cooler. And nobody ever asks me whats in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    OK, I like where you're going with this, Watchman. So where does someone even find a transvestite 5-10 years ago?

    If you're right about the connection, it's possible that the M.O. in this case was either Craigslist or AOL chat rooms (I'm saying AOL because it used to be called "GAY-OL" referring to the gay community that used the chat rooms to hook up). AOL was really popular 10 years ago, maybe even more than Craigslist for the alternative lifestyle crowd.

    Ever since I heard that the victim was a man in woman's clothing, I assumed that what happened was someone tried hooking up with a transvestite and got totally freaked out and bashed their head in. There could definitely be a religious connection too in addition to a sexual orientation issue (i.e., a Catholic raised with the strong fear of going to hell, etc.). Maybe that's why now they kill fornicating "whores".

    I'd say the biggest, closest "alternative lifestyle" Asian population in Brooklyn or Queens, which is likely (IMO) where this victim came from.
    From the little, we heard about the phone calls made to Melissa Barthelmy's sister, the killer used rants like Melissa was a whore and her way of life brought her to hell and threatened the sister it would be the same for her. I don't know how far I can trust those bits and pieces from the media reports, but if, then the male Asian would fit exactly in this picture, because the hell reference has also a clear religious aspect. Religion combined with suppressed sexuality or suppressed parts of it can have such effects.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    I also believe he is on the Mainland, I bet he has a store and a nice car...grew up on the east coast, loves to drive, is sophisticated and a clean freak.

    I think that the gb4 killer would not have a taste for dismemberment...I think he is neat and tidy and likes to keep his victims clothing.


    I bet you he makes his girlfriend put them on....the shoes, the skirts, wigs...etc.

    bet you anything.

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    I think he makes them remove their clothes, and then he handcuffs them to the steering wheel of the car.

    I think he films these girls and has a ritual.

    I think he uses the burlap to keep stray particles from the inside of his car, and pops over to the beach..then..el dump et vous...

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