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    Okay, who can find out some details? I'm too far away and Google maps doesn't help me too much.

    - How long would Costello from Babylon would have traveled to Gilgo and how long to Manhattan? Consider buses also.

    - This whole summer resident thing, is that concentrated on the peninsula or all LI area? What about the other isles?

    - When was, or is there, extensive construction activity in the area of Gilgo Beach till Oak Beach? What kind? What has changed in the area since then?

    - How far is this hotel in Hauppauge where Waterman disappeared to the beach and to Oak Beach? Not in miles, but in realistic travel

    - What would be the next place with residents after Oak Beach and to which direction? I'm interested in concentration on non permanent partially locals like summer guests.

    - Where in the NY area would be the logical place for a rented workspace/workshop which is not open to the public? Like tool and small material storage?

    - Does someone know which model year is Brewer's white SUV?

    There are enough questions, we can still ask and find answers for, regardless whether LE thinks, the case is cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Okay, who can find out some details? I'm too far away and Google maps doesn't help me too much.

    - How long would Costello from Babylon would have traveled to Gilgo and how long to Manhattan? Consider buses also.

    - This whole summer resident thing, is that concentrated on the peninsula or all LI area? What about the other isles?

    - When was, or is there, extensive construction activity in the area of Gilgo Beach till Oak Beach? What kind? What has changed in the area since then?

    - How far is this hotel in Hauppauge where Waterman disappeared to the beach and to Oak Beach? Not in miles, but in realistic travel

    - What would be the next place with residents after Oak Beach and to which direction? I'm interested in concentration on non permanent partially locals like summer guests.

    - Where in the NY area would be the logical place for a rented workspace/workshop which is not open to the public? Like tool and small material storage?

    - Does someone know which model year is Brewer's white SUV?

    There are enough questions, we can still ask and find answers for, regardless whether LE thinks, the case is cold.
    Peter,

    I'll take a stab at your questions:


    - How long would Costello from Babylon would have traveled to Gilgo and how long to Manhattan? Consider buses also.

    It would take 20 minutes to drive from America Ave in North Babylon to Gilgo Beach. It would take 1 hour to drive from North Babylon to Manhattan. The train would also take 1 hour from Babylon to Manhattan. I don't think a bus is an option to either place due to connections and time.

    - This whole summer resident thing, is that concentrated on the peninsula or all LI area? What about the other isles?

    Summer rentals are available in Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach. It's not a big percentage of the houses. Summer rentals on Fire Island and in the Hamptons is huge. Probably the majority of the residents are renters in the summer.

    - When was, or is there, extensive construction activity in the area of Gilgo Beach till Oak Beach? What kind? What has changed in the area since then?

    There has been extensive construction on and off on the Robert Moses Causeway, Robert Moses Bridge, the Captree Draw Bridge and the bridge that spans the Fire Island inlet. This construction has been going on for years. They probably started it on the southbound span of the Robert Moses Bridge in 1995 and it really hasn't stopped since 1995.

    Also, every couple of years the Fire Island inlet is dredged and the sand is deposited on Gilgo Beach.

    - How far is this hotel in Hauppauge where Waterman disappeared to the beach and to Oak Beach? Not in miles, but in realistic travel

    It is a 25-30 minute drive from the hotel in Hauppauge to Oak Beach.

    - What would be the next place with residents after Oak Beach and to which direction? I'm interested in concentration on non permanent partially locals like summer guests.

    To the east of Oak Beach there is Captree Island. Very similar to Oak Beach but much smaller. Only about 30 homes.

    Just north of Oak Beach is Oak Island. You can only get there by boat. There is a small parking lot for residents just west of Oak Beach. Only about 30 homes there as well.

    And to the west of Oak Beach is Gilgo Beach, which has about 50 homes and then West Gilgo Beach which also has about 50 homes.

    - Where in the NY area would be the logical place for a rented workspace/workshop which is not open to the public? Like tool and small material storage?

    ???

    - Does someone know which model year is Brewer's white SUV?

    I believe it is a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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    Quote Originally Posted by goathairjones View Post
    Peter,

    I'll take a stab at your questions:


    - How long would Costello from Babylon would have traveled to Gilgo and how long to Manhattan? Consider buses also.

    It would take 20 minutes to drive from America Ave in North Babylon to Gilgo Beach. It would take 1 hour to drive from North Babylon to Manhattan. The train would also take 1 hour from Babylon to Manhattan. I don't think a bus is an option to either place due to connections and time.

    - This whole summer resident thing, is that concentrated on the peninsula or all LI area? What about the other isles?

    Summer rentals are available in Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach. It's not a big percentage of the houses. Summer rentals on Fire Island and in the Hamptons is huge. Probably the majority of the residents are renters in the summer.

    - When was, or is there, extensive construction activity in the area of Gilgo Beach till Oak Beach? What kind? What has changed in the area since then?

    There has been extensive construction on and off on the Robert Moses Causeway, Robert Moses Bridge, the Captree Draw Bridge and the bridge that spans the Fire Island inlet. This construction has been going on for years. They probably started it on the southbound span of the Robert Moses Bridge in 1995 and it really hasn't stopped since 1995.

    Also, every couple of years the Fire Island inlet is dredged and the sand is deposited on Gilgo Beach.

    - How far is this hotel in Hauppauge where Waterman disappeared to the beach and to Oak Beach? Not in miles, but in realistic travel

    It is a 25-30 minute drive from the hotel in Hauppauge to Oak Beach.

    - What would be the next place with residents after Oak Beach and to which direction? I'm interested in concentration on non permanent partially locals like summer guests.

    To the east of Oak Beach there is Captree Island. Very similar to Oak Beach but much smaller. Only about 30 homes.

    Just north of Oak Beach is Oak Island. You can only get there by boat. There is a small parking lot for residents just west of Oak Beach. Only about 30 homes there as well.

    And to the west of Oak Beach is Gilgo Beach, which has about 50 homes and then West Gilgo Beach which also has about 50 homes.

    - Where in the NY area would be the logical place for a rented workspace/workshop which is not open to the public? Like tool and small material storage?

    ???

    - Does someone know which model year is Brewer's white SUV?

    I believe it is a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee
    Thanks a lot. Okay, here is the point: We had here basically three basic profiles on the board as far as Gilgo Beach is involved.

    1.) Someone local who killed the GB4 and also the Manorville victims

    2.) Two SKs (Manorville and LISK2) which are both local (means Manorville in Manorville, LISK2 in LI).

    3.) Two SKs of which Manorville is local, LISK2 from the NY Area and even there only part of the year there.

    Based on that situation, we can each of us concentrate on the favorite one. All, that chose the same build a little group and try to gather ideas, imaginations and evidence for that basic profile. Those who are in the area or know it can help out with silly questions, about NY and LI (like mine). Any volunteers? I chose Number Three (since it was originally mine).

    Okay, back to the questions:

    Costello needed one hour with at least one pretty reliable way of transportation to NY. Since LI is more of a seasonal business, and NY only one hour away, I like to assume, the bigger part of her business was in Manhattan or the suburbs between NY and LI. One hour is acceptable.
    The logical next question along that line is, are there hotels she could have used as base of operation (of course they are, but where would be the biggest concentration of those in NY?).

    So most of the seasonal renters are on Fire Island, not Oak Beach or vicinity. Together with how far the Hauppauge hotel is away, there would be no direct connection to Gilgo Beach at all. If I would put a circle around the hotel of twenty-five minutes driving time, I would have virtually dozens of beaches to drop bodies. Is that correct or is Gilgo just the only bad cared piece of beach in the circle and the other ones are nice tourist places without brushes?

    Because of all the construction work, this is all roads and bridges. The dredging is probably done by a local company. So, two follow up questions:
    - I wonder if anything in road or bridge construction would come in burlap sacks. I never built a road, so I have no idea.
    - Is part of this construction work also seasonal and stops when the weather gets colder end of September? I know this from house construction in some areas, but Oak Beach is too old for that kind of thought.

    How old are those communities in the vicinity of Oak Beach. I know it from the Midwest, sometimes, some investor places thirty homes somewhere, all built in one or two years. Is that the same there? We have two possibilities in the basic profiles, a local or someone who worked in the area in the past for months. We can assume, the killer has no boat, otherwise, there wouldn't have been need to to drop the bodies anywhere on firm land. So, housing construction work concentrated at what time?

    The workspace/workshop question is maybe weird worded. What I'm looking for is an industrial area with small businesses. It has to be relative cheap (nothing in NY is really cheap, I think), virtually deserted at night time and also a place where someone can rent a workshop for storing materials and tools without being afraid, the whole stuff is carried away next week at latest because he is often not there for months. Any ideas?

    So Brewer's car is a 2004? And the FBI took it in, examined it for body fluids and fibers and came back the same day with a negative result? This is maybe more a question for those, who want to follow the theory, LISK2 is a local, but humm, how long can someone drive a car without having any kind of biomass or biomess in it. People sneeze, sometimes, they transport pets, sometimes, they sweat a little before the AC kicks in. So, how does it come, there was NOTHING in that car that was worth to be sent to a lab, just to be sure? Does Brewer has dogs or any pets?

    Okay, consider this kind of a stone, I threw in the pond.
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    Some very interesting information on the LISK board tonight. Mari Gilbert answering very specific questions. She seems to think CPH saw SG that night and saw something bad happening and was told to walk away.

    Here is what she posted:

    By Mari Gilbert on Oct 17, 2011

    1. Why did Alex and Pak contact the Dr. regarding Shannon? The Dr. claims he never saw Shannon that night and he didn’t even know who Brewer was at that time.

    Alex, and Pac contacted Hackett because my daughter contacted Alex to find Shannan. We told Alex about my conversation with a Hackett man.

    2. Why didn’t Alex or Pak call Shannon’s family to tell them she was missing?

    Alex, and Pac are friends. (Which I NEVER heard about this Pac man until AFTER the fact )

    Alex allowed Pac to drive Shannan.
    ( Because Shannan does not have a drivers licence ).

    It was NOT until the NEXT day Alex, and Pac went to look for Shannan. ( This is how they knew to go to Hackett’s house ).

    3. Did Alex & Pak call or visit Brewer on the day they visited the Dr.?

    Yes. Alex, and Pac went to Brewer’s house either Before or After they visited Hackett ( the order is Unlear but they visited Both of them the next morning ).

    I believe Hackett DID see Shannan that nite, and tried to help her but either he was too late or was Strongly told to “walk away”.

    I believe this is why Mrs. Hackett, and her daughter are Strongly defending him.

    I hope this clears thigs up.


    PLEASE keep praying we find Shannan, and bring her home soon to her family where she belongs !!

    Thank you for listening.

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    And here is another Mari Gilbert post:

    **Hi Matt
    First I would like to thanks you for your support for Shannan, and my family!!

    “Do you mind if I ask you a couple questions? (I know you don’t check this site often). What was the caller ID on that call? Did it sounds like the same man you met (at Hackett’s house?) Was there more than one call?”

    YES. Hacketts phone number is on my phone records with time, and date.
    In ALL Truthfullness I was the Very Last person Shannan spoke to. Her number is on my phone records.
    The Very Next incomming call (other than my daughter updating me on if she heard from Shannan) is Hackett.


    “Sorry I’m unclear on the the exact time frame Hackett quoted because the article Jim Jones wrote has been forcibly removed (I’m unclear why else it would be removed by admin).”

    I (hate) to admit it but Jim is a good writer BUT what he wrote about could have caused harm to Hackett, ME, and my two friends that was with me.
    (I will NOT use their names to “protect” them.)
    So THANK ME for it being taken down!!
    Mr. Jone, and I no longer see eye to eye..so I will only wish him the best in life but I hope he stays out of mine.

    *LA

    “Doesn’t Mari have proof that the first call came from Hackett?”
    YES I DO. His phone number is on my phone records with the time, and day!!

    *La n *VeryReal
    “I suspect that the first phone call you got from a “Dr. Hackett” was someone pretending to be him..”

    Why would Hackett allow an “imposter” to use his phone, and his name to say anything about anything…This makes NO (Common) sence.
    Like I have said in other posts I believe Hackett tried to help Shannan but was either too late or was ‘threatened’.


    The drifter is clearend, and we (I know who is). My daughter called Alex (approx. 6 hours) the morning After Hackett called me…(Like I had said in other posts because Shannan was NOT picking up her phone all nite)
    Anything else I can Not speak about.

    Please do NOT go by phone records on “Finding Shannan”….method to our madness.
    *Please do NOT believe what Alex says.
    *Please do NO believe what you read (even in news articals).
    *Please understand the SCPD knows who lives, moves, works, calls, drives, sees, writes, textex…..and they are WATCHING ALL posts here !!

    ** Can Someone PLEASE send a link here with Shannan’s timeline (or close to it) so others will have the days of event in order..or as so much as has been put together?? **

    PLEASE Keep Praying, and help me bring my daughter Shannan Maria Gilbert Home Where She Is SO LOVED n MISSED !!!!

    Thanks For Listening !!

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    Goat, I am so glad you brought this up. I wanted to but I am too confused by the LISK site. Really intriguing. First question I had was: Is this really Mari Gilbert? They play so many games at LISK, who knows? and Is she saying she talked to Shannan the day after she talked to Hackett? Is she saying Shannan was alive until May 3?

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    Peter; Long Island is not at a seasonal island. ALC worked out of her home. She had more than enough local Long Island business to keep her busy. No need to travel all the way to NYC. I doubt she even had a valid credit card to rent a hotel room to work out of in the city. Long Island provided her a steady income year round. Unless you have proof that she worked out of NYC, why confuse the case any more by suggesting it.

    To be honest with you, many of your assumptions about Long Island are way off.

    Is this what we are left with when a case goes cold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    Goat, I am so glad you brought this up. I wanted to but I am too confused by the LISK site. Really intriguing. First question I had was: Is this really Mari Gilbert? They play so many games at LISK, who knows? and Is she saying she talked to Shannan the day after she talked to Hackett? Is she saying Shannan was alive until May 3?
    Wish they would just pull the plug on that comedy show at that website. Nothing but a bunch of clowns. If that is SG's mom, I Kinda feel sorry that they lured her into their web of lies.

    Odds are that it is not her. If so, then she better back up her statements with hard evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goathairjones View Post
    Some very interesting information on the LISK board tonight. Mari Gilbert answering very specific questions. She seems to think CPH saw SG that night and saw something bad happening and was told to walk away.

    Here is what she posted:

    By Mari Gilbert on Oct 17, 2011

    1. Why did Alex and Pak contact the Dr. regarding Shannon? The Dr. claims he never saw Shannon that night and he didn’t even know who Brewer was at that time.

    Alex, and Pac contacted Hackett because my daughter contacted Alex to find Shannan. We told Alex about my conversation with a Hackett man.

    2. Why didn’t Alex or Pak call Shannon’s family to tell them she was missing?

    Alex, and Pac are friends. (Which I NEVER heard about this Pac man until AFTER the fact )

    Alex allowed Pac to drive Shannan.
    ( Because Shannan does not have a drivers licence ).

    It was NOT until the NEXT day Alex, and Pac went to look for Shannan. ( This is how they knew to go to Hackett’s house ).

    3. Did Alex & Pak call or visit Brewer on the day they visited the Dr.?

    Yes. Alex, and Pac went to Brewer’s house either Before or After they visited Hackett ( the order is Unlear but they visited Both of them the next morning ).

    I believe Hackett DID see Shannan that nite, and tried to help her but either he was too late or was Strongly told to “walk away”.

    I believe this is why Mrs. Hackett, and her daughter are Strongly defending him.

    I hope this clears thigs up.


    PLEASE keep praying we find Shannan, and bring her home soon to her family where she belongs !!

    Thank you for listening.
    Wait wait wait ... according to the press, Pak drove Shannan to LI and spent time playing online poker on the phone, which was allegedly confirmed by the police (as I understood, they could ping him). And a witness, the old man who's name I always forget, saw Shannan and a dark SUV with Asian looking driver. Or am I mixing things here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    Peter; Long Island is not at a seasonal island. ALC worked out of her home. She had more than enough local Long Island business to keep her busy. No need to travel all the way to NYC. I doubt she even had a valid credit card to rent a hotel room to work out of in the city. Long Island provided her a steady income year round. Unless you have proof that she worked out of NYC, why confuse the case any more by suggesting it.

    To be honest with you, many of your assumptions about Long Island are way off.

    Is this what we are left with when a case goes cold?
    Okay, lets see. Police followed the LI trail and it went cold. So you force everyone following any other idea to let this go cold as well. Sounds good, Seaslug.
    And now we use a little bit logic: Brainard-Barnes, last trace in NY. Waterman lived only temporsary in Hauppauge to work season and local clients, but her "friend" Cruz, had a place in NY, not LI. Melissa Barthelmy, last seen in the Bronx ... which is NY too. So, here we are with the last one, Amber Lynn Costello. Now, we can assume, that all those brave husbands and middle class family dads are regularly rent-a-hooker and can get the money for it out of the household cash without their wives noticing. Feel free to do so. But as you said yourself, no seasonal renting in the area, which means not many men alone and in need except for the usual party animals. Manhattan on the other hand has business travelers and they are not all in the rent-a-$10,000 to a luxury five star hotel. So, first thing, I doubt your assumption, especially after it is now clear there is not much seasonal male supply, that she had a nice steady income from LI alone. And it was easier and probably in general also safer to work Manhattan hotels than LI outcalls to homes of men she didn't know. Please remember Schaller's testimony, that she normally didn't go to homes of men she didn't know, but knew that one and felt comfortable with him. So, if he didn't meet her the first time at his home and not at her home (because Schaller would have known him in that case at least from the sight), where did she meet him?
    Of course, you can follow any other theory you favor, that was my suggestion a few posts ago. And if you feel, my ideas are way off, fine, bring anything different productive.
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    Now look at this

    http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/...waterman-pimp/

    So, this proves, Megan Waterman had really a place in NY, in fact the place of her pimp in Brooklyn. The trips to LI were bimonthly, the rest of the time, they were in NY (well Cruz occasionally in jail). Seems, another one of my "assumptions" became a fact ...
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    Peter,

    I agree with Seaslug here. There are 7.5 Million year-round residents on Long Island. So there is enough year-round business to keep her on Long Island and not need to go into NYC.

    And I do believe that it was said that ALC mostly did in-calls to the house they were renting in West Babylon / North Babylon.

    Prostitution is probably not a seasonal business on Long Island. It's year round and probably never slows down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    Goat, I am so glad you brought this up. I wanted to but I am too confused by the LISK site. Really intriguing. First question I had was: Is this really Mari Gilbert? They play so many games at LISK, who knows? and Is she saying she talked to Shannan the day after she talked to Hackett? Is she saying Shannan was alive until May 3?
    Reanin,

    I'm almost positive that it is Mari Gilbert. She talks about the LISK on her facebook page. She knows there are a bunch of crazies on there but she definitely reads it. And this is probably her attempt to squelch some bad information.

    Regarding Shannan, she said that she was the last person to talk to Shannan on the phone the night of 4/30/10. And then the next call she received was on 5/1/10 from CPH's home phone, from a man stating he was CPH, and he said that he ran a halfway house and that Shannan was there but left with her driver that morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goathairjones View Post
    Peter,

    I agree with Seaslug here. There are 7.5 Million year-round residents on Long Island. So there is enough year-round business to keep her on Long Island and not need to go into NYC.

    And I do believe that it was said that ALC mostly did in-calls to the house they were renting in West Babylon / North Babylon.

    Prostitution is probably not a seasonal business on Long Island. It's year round and probably never slows down.
    First, I have to ask a general question: After Le tried to dig up LI stone by stone and ended empty handed, are you ready and willing to think a little outside the box or is that just a general "no" to any idea leading outside of the area, that has already proven as not very "findy"?

    If the answer is "no, it's not a general dismissal of anything outside the box", lets explain from where I come, just to make that point clear. Originally, I came out of historic profiling. Only much later I came to offender profiling. My main interest is behavior.
    So, what general knowledge about behavior tells me is, that wives normally react a little touchy if the hubby goes regularly to prostitutes. Since most of those permanent 7.5 million residents of LI are married and have families or kids out of the house but still married, the big mass of those 7.5 million (of which not even half are male adults), have no chance to bring a prostitute home. Exceptions like Brewer are rather rare. Subtract all children and females of those 7.5 millions and you end up rather with 2.5 million males. What would your guess, how many of them are married and haven't the financial possibilities to pay prostitutes and hotel rooms on a regular base? Half a million? Maybe less? And how many of them would really do it? It's not that every man who can goes regularly to prostitutes. And of those, how many use Craigslist instead of the street corners and underground scene of NYC which is so nice far away from home and family? So my bet is, the numbers are a lot lower than you expect.
    But here is the next part of the story:

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes, last time heard of from Port Authority Bus terminal, NYC. As I looked up, this is a few blocks away from Hell's Kitchen and the Carousel, right? Her Hotel was at 46th Street, which is also in walking distance to Hell's kitchen and the underground parties of Manhattan.

    Melissa Barthelmy, last time seen in the Bronx, NYC. This is about 45-60 minutes by subway to Hell's Kitchen, right?

    Megan Waterman, disappeared from Hauppauge, true, but had at least half of her business obviously in NYC because she traveled according to her mother, for a year between LI and Brooklyn, where her pimps apartment was. And Brooklyn is also about 60 minutes to Hell's Kitchen.

    That leaves us with Amber Lynn Costello. I'm still digging. But as you wrote, she would have needed an hour to the area, where the regular prostitution business, the underground parties and also some part of the street prostitutes are basically concentrated.

    Then we have the phone calls from Melissa's phone. As far as I can find, there were six of them. The first two were from Massepequa (or how this is spelled), which is away from the islands at the interstate to NYC. No articles told about the numbers 3 and 4, but the last two calls were pinged near Madison Square Garden and Times Square. We can note, that this places the killer only some blocks away from the area where three out of four victims were busy. Additionally, we have to notice, that Megan Waterman offered BDSM (opposite to the other victims). Which means, she had most likely contacts to that scene as well and the underground parties are, you guess it, in Manhattan, mostly also Hell's Kitchen and direction Times Square if I understand the map right.

    So we have out of four victims and one SK one victim definitively pinned to Manhattan and two more highly likely and the SK was also there, in only some blocks distance. Well, we can ignore it and say, Massepequa is LI and so it's all LI, but in fact, it's a lot farer away from the dump site at Gilgo Beach than the pinged phone calls From the places where MBB had her last phone talk, where MW lived when she wasn't in Hauppauge and where Melissa Barthelmy lived.

    The next reason, why I follow a New York City connection is, that the dump site on Gilgo Beach is exactly that, a mere dump site. It obviously isn't the kill site. We have no ME reports and I doubt, they can't find some conclusive evidence after all that time, the bodies were exposed to the weather, so we can't say, whether he keeps them for some days, or kills them the same day. But he has to bring them somewhere and that is probably always the same place. So, most communities around Oak Beach consist of about thirty homes. Oak Beach is a little bigger? So can you tell me, how an SK would have there a kill place without dragging attention of nosy neighbors? To garnish this with numbers: Ted Bundy transported his victims and parts of them up to more than two-hundred miles from the kill place. Ridgeway drove the bodies out to the Greenriver valley, which gave him his media nickname Greenriver Killer. Rifkin dropped his victims on LI, because he didn't live there. Albright brought his victims out to a field, outside of the city, killed them there and dropped the bodies then near the places, where he had them picked up in the first place. SKs normally don't drop bodies right in their backyard unless they have reasons which are usually connected to their fantasies. They drop them where they fall if they are mobile (that's pretty common for trucker-SKs in the US and Europe) or they drive them away form their comfort zone to protect the comfort zone. So the Gilgo Beach dump site makes it highly unlikely, that we look for someone living permanently at LI. You can call this "assumption" or compare to other cases.

    The next point, why NYC is interesting is, that also Terry got phone calls. He was Barthelmy's boyfriend or, more likely, her pimp. You can say, this doesn't mean anything because the killer can call from anywhere (even we know, the last two calls to Melissa's sister were from Manhattan). But it means something on the behavioral level. If an SK calls the little sister of a victim, I can maybe assume, he is a sadist who adds just additional mental torture to the family of the victim to complete the fantasy. But he also called the pimp. He had even memorized what he only could have learned from Melissa, the sex practices of Terry and Melissa. Now here is the question to the subject: Could he assume, he can mentally torture a pimp with telling about the sex, the pimp had with the victim? No, he can't. But then, what would be the reason to call in the first place? This looks personal and that means, he knew Terry and Melissa at least from sight. Which would place him either to the Bronx where they lived or to Manhattan, where she most likely worked half of the time.

    Next hint pointing to NY: The timeline. It is highly unlikely that those four are his only victims. He would have had a constant cool down time of a little over a year with a break in 2008. Now we can speculate, that he was maybe in jail in 2008 for an unrelated crime. But that would be pure speculation and the math would speak against it. SKs have a kill frequency according to their fantasy and the personality disorders which drive this fantasy. There is the type with a long first cool down, which goes then over time exponentially down. Dahmer was one of those. Seven years between the first and the second murder, but in the end, he hunted weekly. Irregular times, growing longer, shorter, longer again, and shorter again. This is typically for travelers, mostly truckers. They kill along a certain route when they are there and they are there if they have a freight. But those times are in general diminishing and the killing area grows over time. And we have SKs with short constant rythms. This earthquake guy in California, I forgot his name, had a constant rythm of a few weeks. Now, what we have here looks like a long constant cool down period. Which is unlikely. So he kills probably also in other places. But then we have to ask, why is he killing in the time between June and September and drops those victims at LI? The answer is, he must be in some way seasonal resident. Resident of NYC or LI? We know, he is physically fit (he carried the bodies from a vehicle in the bushes at Gilgo Beach), we know, he is pretty hands-on (strangulation). We know, he wrapped his victims in burlap. So, does that look like a regular businessman? Or more like some kind of craftsman? There are a lot of construction businesses around in the area who work nationwide and most of them have NYC area codes. Small enterprises, sometimes only one person as it looks, who travel as subcontractors. Snd by what I could find out about that business, it appears as if a lot of them works in the NY area till the weather gets colder and then take contracts down South over the winter. Kind of constructing snowbirds. Which, maybe by accident, fits the time frame of the four murders, we know off. But as I said, a lot of those phone numbers lead to NYC, not to LI.

    And, after this is anyway already much too long, here are the questions, I'm still chewing on:

    - Amber Lynn Costello. This is just going over all the articles again, but she was within an hour driving time to Manhattan's underground and sex scene, so she didn't need a place in NYC. It would be however interesting to see, from where she used her cell phone in the months before she was snatched, but I can't find anything and I have no contact to the SCPD which would allow me such questions. I hoped honestly, I would find on a forum like this maybe someone who has an idea or possibility.

    - I try to figure out, how sharp patrolled the area and especially the expressway near to the dump site is at night. Someone mentioned, the police is patrolling there, but not how often. To drop bodies in a patrolled area that looks remote indicates only a casual knowledge of the area. However, that no patrols saw anything means either, they don't drive around there too often or the drop was quick. Technically, the unsub has to drive a car that drags no attention if something body-sized wrapped in burlap lays around in or on it. If the drop was quick, it would mean, he would drive an SUV or better a pickup. Something, that allows a quick grab of the wrapped body. But to estimate this, it would be interesting to know how often does the police patrol there.

    - The sparse details of the ME reports I could find, report nothing of broken bones except for signs of strangulation. That means, the bodies were transported either before rigor mortis set fully in or after it disappeared again. But since it would be alone thirty minutes from this Massepequa thing to the beach and we talk about warm summer nights, rigor mortis would latest start on the way. So either he had to keep the bodies somewhere till they were "movable" again, which would have cause some problems (smell for example) or he had a possibility to transport them stretched out. Which makes me think again SUV or pickup.

    - And my next to last problem is really speculation. The body dump is unceremonious. There is no sign of staging, no sign of remorse, just drop. That appears as if the victims didn't mean anything to him after they were dead. But in one case, Melissa Barthelmy, we have those phone calls and I still think, especially the calls at Terry had a personal note. So here is a contradiction. Which COULD mean, he has a little problem with his self-esteem (that fits also the theory of a quick drop). What, if he felt as if he couldn't invest more time? The image of being caught with a dead body on the arms is probably a little scary for any SK. So this is more under the thought of lets get over with it and fast. Most SKs who drop bodies do it outside their comfort zone. And those who do, like Hanson for example, have different dropping patterns. This one put together his own little graveyard and this is in it's basics inconsistent with the unpersonalized way of just dropping them in the bushes. Again, my area is behavior. And this indicates, there is a good chance, he was already nervous on the way to drop a body. If there are some traffic cams, the red light kind, there would be, if I'm right, a good chance, that either an SUV or a pickup not from LI drove occasionally over a red light somewhere along the way onto the peninsula and down to Gilgo. But I have no idea where those cameras would be, whether they were there already when the bodies were dropped and who to ask at SCPD.

    - and finally, my last problem is a little of a male problem. I have not much ideas about makeup and changing hair colors and such. To me, all four appear quite different. But to make sure, I would like to ask the women on this board to do a little creative beauty work. Can you imagine, you could, with usual makeup and hair dye and hair cuts, make them look alike or at least similar? This little game has a serious background. Narcissists/Sadists react in the choice of their victims often to things, that are rather hidden behind the obvious. Nose shapes, bone structure, a high forehead, things like that. I learned it the hard way with the Alcala case, that females are totally changeable with those tricks and as man you don't see behind it anymore. I'm pretty sure they are different, but I want to make sure, I'm right about this victimology.

    So, now you can ignore this and agree to let the case go cold or getting to a little work. Not every lead leads to something, but in a situation in which the inthe box thinking ran out of any lead, it's maybe worth a try.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    Hi Peter,

    2 quick questions about your recent post...

    first off, what is the direct connection to Hell's Kitchen? I mean, there are many nightclubs concentrated in the area but I would not exactly consider it to be an "underground sex scene" rampant with streetwalkers...maybe I'm wrong, but we used to frequent the area when I was in college and I didn't see anything out of the ordinary clubgoer routine...

    in addition, you mention the pings to the massapequa tower...massapequa is probably like 15-20 minutes from Gilgo and very close to the Nassau dump site. its definitely not closer to NYC than to Gilgo. Also, I'm not sure how many towers there are on LI and what their radius of coverage is, and I think someone had discussed this in a previous post on this forum way back when, but its possible that the actual location of the cell phone was closer to Gilgo than the tower...that is, the cell was picking up the signal from the massapequa tower because it was the closest tower in range, but the cell was actually located in western suffolk somewhere closer to the GB dump site. purely speculation on my part. but I can definitely confirm that Massapequa is closer to Gilgo than it is to NYC...

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