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    MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

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    An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Thursday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.

    Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.

    Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

    Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.

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    Wow took a 20 minute break and 1000 post and now a new thread...

    I think I am off the fence now....
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    Copying this over from the previous thread ...

    Originally Posted by Cazzie View Post
    Was the Medical Examiner's truck/van there?


    I'm in the UK, so Im not entirely sure what that would look like ... but the camera followed a white van (that looked much like a plain ambulance) for quite awhile.

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    NURSE can you bring over Shelby1's timeline and add it to the front page too so we will know where to find it?? Pretty please???
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    This link contains a SLIDESHOW with 38 pictures of baby Lisa, the house and much more:

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    The thread really exploded, didn't it? I'm trying to keep up (when I should be working), but I'm really still on the fence. I just can't get a good feel for this one. The parents seem sincere to me. LE seems to be working hard, but I'm also perplexed a bit by some of LE's media statements and handling of the case. Not accusing them of anything - but it's definitely thrown me a bit.
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    My husband gets home late very often, and to this day he checks on the kids if they are home, and they are college aged. Bless his heart.

    I find it strange that it was the first night her husband was working an all night shift, YET she did not lock the front door. Seems weird, imo.
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    Last post in the last thread has a link to a news article saying it was the first time Mom didn't lock the door.

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    Tom Coffman of Deffenbaugh Industries, which owns and operates the landfill at Interstate 435 and Holliday Drive, confirmed that authorities were on site looking for the child.
    http://www.shawneedispatch.com/news/...moves-shawnee/


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    Trying to keep up with both Baby Lisa and Baby Aliayah is like work.

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    Mother said this is the 1st time she had not locked the door.


    http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...4688581&page=2

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    Lisa Irwin Timeline

    Monday October 3, 2011

    Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

    UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

    3620 block of North Lister 64117

    CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

    Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

    UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

    Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

    Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


    ~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

    ~phones were gone

    ~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

    ~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

    ~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

    (thank you NBM)

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    Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

    Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

    Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

    Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

    **Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

    **Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


    Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

    UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

    Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

    *** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-auth...,6273053.story

    Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

    Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
    by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

    **family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.


    Wednesday October 5, 2011

    9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


    ** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv


    **conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


    NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

    Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz



    Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

    2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

    Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

    **Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


    Thursday October 6, 2011


    **Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

    **Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

    ~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

    ~phones were gone

    ~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

    ~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

    ~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

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    http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...g_10-Month-Old

    ** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

    **per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

    **per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

    **Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

    ***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa...,5671503.story

    **the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

    Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4



    Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG][/ame]--thank you BeanE
    Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

    Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

    Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

    Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

    Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

    Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


    http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg



    "This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG



    Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3



    Friday October 7, 2011

    (thank you BeanE for gathering these)
    #LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
    1 minute ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
    2 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
    2 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
    21 seconds ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
    38 seconds ago

    #LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
    3 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
    4 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
    4 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
    5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    #LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
    5 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
    6 minutes ago


    **Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


    Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/att...0&d=1317999122
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    **a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

    http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/...96530303.shtml
    **FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


    PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
    ***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

    **Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

    ** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

    **Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


    The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

    Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

    http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

    Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

    ***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


    http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


    **FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
    10 minutes ago


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaTeresa View Post
    The thread really exploded, didn't it? I'm trying to keep up (when I should be working), but I'm really still on the fence. I just can't get a good feel for this one. The parents seem sincere to me. LE seems to be working hard, but I'm also perplexed a bit by some of LE's media statements and handling of the case. Not accusing them of anything - but it's definitely thrown me a bit.
    The thread is definitely exploding!

    I thought the parents seemed sincere, but I've thought that in other cases that didn't end well.

    I think that the media statements from LE are appropriate. Just MOO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerricaBenton View Post
    I'm in the UK, so Im not entirely sure what that would look like ... but the camera followed a white van (that looked much like a plain ambulance) for quite awhile.
    In following other cases, I have seen them as white vans, or even white trucks with "camper shells" (similar to what mobile veterinarians use, with doors that open up the compartments around both sides and even back), all marked "Medical Examiner"...maybe not always, IDK.

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    Someone is going to be unemployed I bet.

    EDIT: Oops...guess the owner can't lose his job huh? Strange that someone would say this even though we know that this probably is true as it hasn't been released to the public yet.
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    Getting carsick trying to follow along while riding along I-95 headed to the boat show. At least I have an iPad with 3G.

    So what did LE say awhile back when they were going to be live? I think it was like 30 minutes ago? Anything?

    I'm not off the fence. Still on the same side that I was, just sad for this precious child...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
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    NURSE Did you see this? Pretty please... unless we could have a sticky for the timeline.
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    Grieving the abduction of a child

    and grieving the death of a child can look allot like the same thing...

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    Dumpster Fire Leads Police To Search Landfill
    2:07 p.m. CDT, October 7, 2011
    KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

    An early morning dumpster fire this week has lead investigators to search a Johnson County landfill for the third time in the Lisa Irwin case.

    Police said there was a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.
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    My husband leaves for work by 4am each day and he always checks on the kids before he leaves the house. If he happens to be working nights he will peek in on them if they are still asleep when he gets home. I will go in their rooms and check on them before I go to sleep too. It's just something we've done since they were tiny babies and we were paranoid about SIDS.

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    I use to work for a small cell phone company. The police do not have to have the phones to find out who was called and how long the call lasted. Had the police at our work several times for the same person who kept making harassing and threatening calls to a young lady that he was fascinated with.
    Everything will change in the blinking of an eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazel View Post
    Dumpster Fire Leads Police To Search Landfill
    full article: http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-poli...,5538504.story
    Wow...very coincidental....and same time...
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    So the dumpster fire is true? This is just getting worse by the second!

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