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    MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

    Quote Originally Posted by marge_rita View Post
    I don't get it either. Check this out...now the FBI are back at the home and we learn 3 cell phones are missing.?!?!?!?! I'm extremely skeptical of the parents story.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,7975319.story
    I have to say I am a little skeptical as well. They took a baby and the *cell phones*?

    1. If I am going to kidnap a child, the LAST thing I want in my possession is a de facto tracking device. Cell phones, even if turned off, can give off pings and let LE know where they have been. Some even have gps.

    2. If I have harmed my own child and had a cell phone with me when I was hiding the body, I would definitely want to be rid of the cell phone. I might even claim they were stolen by whoever took my child.


    I really hope these parents are innocent and they get their precious little baby back. But this just looks hinky to me. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwenabob View Post
    I have to say I am a little skeptical as well. They took a baby and the *cell phones*?

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    I really hope these parents are innocent and they get their precious little baby back. But this just looks hinky to me. Sorry.
    Right there with you. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that a kidnapper might steal a phone as an easy way to get in touch with the family. But, the husband had just come home from work. I don't know too many people who pay for a phone that they can carry with them, then leave it at home. It would seem likely that the husband's phone came home with him. Of course I could be wrong, and I hope I am. But it does sound hinky.


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    I think the dad did something to her when he came home from work. Maybe the mother was in on it, I don't know, but I think the father was part of it. He seems very strange.

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    I haven't followed this story much but just saw a segment on Nightline.

    The Dad sure seemed to act aloof, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plastics View Post
    I think the dad did something to her when he came home from work. Maybe the mother was in on it, I don't know, but I think the father was part of it. He seems very strange.
    LE seems to think Dad is not involved.

    "Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, says he has offered to take a lie detector test, but that police say that’s not necessary."

    Mom, of course, according to LE, failed a poly.

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2314359.shtml?cat=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    LE seems to think Dad is not involved.

    "Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, says he has offered to take a lie detector test, but that police say that’s not necessary."

    Mom, of course, according to LE, failed a poly.

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2314359.shtml?cat=1
    What seems rather noteworthy to me, is that the mother was rather uncontrolling in her angst, her tears, her upset. She "seemed" sincere in every way.
    The father seemed more in control of his feelings.

    I recall the Sabrina Aisenberg case rather well, and there was not any tears shed for that baby by either parent publically after being spirited away from her crib one night. (supposedly)

    The parents were never charged for her disappearance and she has never been located.

    Then there is the Susan Smith case, .....not sure but I don't recall real tears from Susan Smith either for her sons.

    A lot of Facial grimacing from the 2 aforementioned cases, facial expressions but no real tears.

    How about this mom of Lisa's? She truly put on a good act unless it's real.
    Her tears were flooding for her baby.

    Yet, I have to wonder.

    I know the Lie Detector is not really a great tool.

    My daughter volunteers for homocide work at the local police dept. and she failed it twice because she is SO honest, and takes every single question very literally.

    When asked "did you ever lie to an authority figure", she was thinking of when she lied to me, her mother when she was 14 and failed due to literalness.

    Of course, after explaining herself, and it was asked again she passed, but it shows me that you cannot trust them and I too would be leary of taking one that isn't from my own choosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwenabob View Post
    I have to say I am a little skeptical as well. They took a baby and the *cell phones*?

    1. If I am going to kidnap a child, the LAST thing I want in my possession is a de facto tracking device. Cell phones, even if turned off, can give off pings and let LE know where they have been. Some even have gps.

    2. If I have harmed my own child and had a cell phone with me when I was hiding the body, I would definitely want to be rid of the cell phone. I might even claim they were stolen by whoever took my child.


    I really hope these parents are innocent and they get their precious little baby back. But this just looks hinky to me. Sorry.
    I hear what you're saying, but then again, there are some incredibly stupid criminals out there.

    I'm curious as to why there were 3 phones. Was one a work phone belonging to one of the parents? Or was it an unused phone?

    Also, the fact that Lisa had a cough/cold is a little concerning. Could there have been an accident involving medication?

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    MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 October 2011 #7

    An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Thursday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.
    Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.
    Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

    Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.




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    Monday October 3, 2011

    Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

    UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

    3620 block of North Lister 64117

    CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

    Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

    UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

    Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

    Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


    ~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

    ~phones were gone

    ~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

    ~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

    ~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

    (thank you NBM)

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    Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

    Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

    Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

    Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

    **Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

    **Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


    Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

    UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

    Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

    *** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-auth...,6273053.story

    Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

    Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
    by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

    **family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.


    Wednesday October 5, 2011

    9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


    ** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv


    **conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


    NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

    Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz



    Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

    2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

    Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

    **Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


    Thursday October 6, 2011


    **Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

    **Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

    ~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

    ~phones were gone

    ~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

    ~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

    ~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

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    http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...g_10-Month-Old

    ** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

    **per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

    **per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

    **Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

    ***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa...,5671503.story

    **the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

    Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4



    Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG][/ame]--thank you BeanE
    Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

    Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

    Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

    Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

    Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

    Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


    http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg



    "This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG



    Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3



    Friday October 7, 2011

    (thank you BeanE for gathering these)
    #LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
    1 minute ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
    2 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
    2 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
    21 seconds ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
    38 seconds ago

    #LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
    3 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
    4 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
    4 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
    5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    #LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
    5 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
    6 minutes ago


    **Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


    Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/att...0&d=1317999122
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    **a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

    http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/...96530303.shtml
    **FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


    PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
    ***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

    **Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

    ** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

    **Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


    The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

    Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

    http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

    Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

    ***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


    http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


    **FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
    10 minutes ago


    **Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-poli...,5538504.story


    #LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.

    **searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

    ** possible sighting in California
    http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html


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    Maybe it's my eyes, but the handprint on the nursery wall looks larger than baby Lisa's hand in the picture where she's standing by the doorway.

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    Shelby you were fast this time!!!!
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    I can't believe the bedding is still on the crib! Why didn't LE take the bedding and test it for DNA, there could be fingerprints on the railing of the crib, hairs, eyelashes, or splash DNA on the bedding from a possible sneeze or cough by the kidnapper. I just can't believe the bedding is still on the crib.

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    Has there been any indication on where in California there was a sighting?

    Has there been any mention of searching the river just south of the house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post


    I can't believe the bedding is still on the crib! Why didn't LE take the bedding and test it for DNA, there could be fingerprints on the railing of the crib, hairs, eyelashes, or splash DNA on the bedding from a possible sneeze or cough by the kidnapper. I just can't believe the bedding is still on the crib.
    This looks like a picture of shower gift items, before she was born.


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    Only a matter of time to where conflict will start in that family. If they are both guilty this will fracture. That is why I think they broke of with LE because that started to happen. As days or even weeks go on, they will have trust issues with each other. Their families will start thinking about events and have questions themselves and that will leak out and spill over adding to the fracture.

    Of course this is all my own speculation! I'll just sit and watch as it all unfolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
    Shelby you were fast this time!!!!


    I had trigger finger lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post


    I can't believe the bedding is still on the crib! Why didn't LE take the bedding and test it for DNA, there could be fingerprints on the railing of the crib, hairs, eyelashes, or splash DNA on the bedding from a possible sneeze or cough by the kidnapper. I just can't believe the bedding is still on the crib.
    This picture was probably taken before Lisa disappeared...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    This looks like a picture of shower gift items, before she was born.
    I agree this was in preparation for the baby. Not a recent picture i don't think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post


    I can't believe the bedding is still on the crib! Why didn't LE take the bedding and test it for DNA, there could be fingerprints on the railing of the crib, hairs, eyelashes, or splash DNA on the bedding from a possible sneeze or cough by the kidnapper. I just can't believe the bedding is still on the crib.
    I believe that this was just a photo that they had from earlier....not taken during this investigation. I could be wrong but the mattress seems to be sitting too high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    This looks like a picture of shower gift items, before she was born.
    You think? You might be right...I was thinking the stuff had been put in the crib by LE when they were searching the house, but now that you mention the shower gifts, I can see how that is more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post


    I can't believe the bedding is still on the crib! Why didn't LE take the bedding and test it for DNA, there could be fingerprints on the railing of the crib, hairs, eyelashes, or splash DNA on the bedding from a possible sneeze or cough by the kidnapper. I just can't believe the bedding is still on the crib.
    Hi Momt- why do you think this pic is current? Did they say that somewhere? If that is a current pic, wouldn't Lisa be able to climb out cause the mattress is set so high?

    eta- well heck- ur too quick for me, just saw your post lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lera213 View Post
    Only a matter of time to where conflict will start in that family. If they are both guilty this will fracture. That is why I think they broke of with LE because that started to happen. As days or even weeks go on, they will have trust issues with each other. Their families will start thinking about events and have questions themselves and that will leak out and spill over adding to the fracture.

    Of course this is all my own speculation! I'll just sit and watch as it all unfolds.
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    Let me say that I'm still on the fence here, but I have been wondering about who first noticed the screen for a while and now I guess I have my answer. Sorry if this was already posted - it's moving fast here!

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