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    MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #8

    New thread. Please remember the rules. We are not sleuthing random people. Mom and Dad only. We are not talking about parentage or anything else regarding any of the children.

    Follow MSM lead and don't accuse anyone not named in MSM as a suspect.

    Do not post rumors from Facebook, blogs or other sources. If you can't link you cannot discuss.

    Thanks.

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    Brought forward from last thread:

    Today, 12:40 PM Pacific2011

    Quote: Originally Posted by BeanE
    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    #LisaIrwin's family says parents unavailable right now, but still hoping to talk today. Again, stay tuned.
    32 minutes ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    Was supposed to do 1-on-1 interview with #LisaIrwin's parents at 11:00 (scheduled talks with all stations). Family's not here. Stay tuned.
    34 minutes ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    Got call from #LisaIrwin's family this morning. Upset media still reporting no cooperation with PD. Says they talked to feds, PD 2x yest
    57 minutes ago

    Cliff Judy
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    Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City
    http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy

    Pardon my lack of knowledge re: twitter, tweeting, re-tweeting etc., but does this informatiion pertain to today's messages, or is the information from a previous day. . . . Is there any way to include a date when posting this type of information? TIA.
    The date and time are included.

    - If it's the current date, then only the time is shown, e.g., as in my post, "57 minutes ago". The tweets I posted above, therefore, are from today. If you want to confirm the date, you can click the link, go to the tweet, and hover your mouse over the date/time display to confirm the full date and time of the tweet.

    - If it's a prior day to the current day, it will show the date. If you see a tweet like that, click the link, go to the tweet, hover your mouse over the date, and a popup display will show you the full date and time the tweet was issued.

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    i'd like to know how dad 'clocks in' for work. does he go on the honor system or have a company/van installed laptop used to log/clock in?

    is he paid hourly, per job, or salary? i would think if it were one of the latter 2, he wouldn't be required to work a full 8 hours so it's hard to say when he would have left the home.
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    I just don't think the phones were taken in order to prevent 911 calling...the overwhelming assumption, IMO, would be that other phones would be with the persons in the bedrooms, not to mention possibility of a landline. If they were taken, I think it was a spur of the moment thing. JMO
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Hi all, been following along and praying Lisa will be found safe.

    I read a blog entry by Marc Klaas this morning, apologise is it's been posted already. You guys are moving FAST!!!

    IMO, Marc post succinctly states where this case went wrong and what needs to be done to improve Lisa's chance of being found. I wish her parents would read this and heed his advice.

    I'm on the fence. But if the parents got an attorney and camped out at LE headquarters and stopped the exclusive media deals, I might jump off.

    http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011...baby-lisa.html
    You are the anchor to my soul, you won't let go ...

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    Previously the family members said they were waiting for word from Dad. Was that because Mom was being questioned or because they had an exclusive with ABC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    I just don't think the phones were taken in order to prevent 911 calling...the overwhelming assumption, IMO, would be that other phones would be with the persons in the bedrooms, not to mention possibility of a landline. If they were taken, I think it was a spur of the moment thing. JMO
    If the phones were taken then police should have been able to trace them.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby1 View Post
    Lisa Irwin Timeline

    Monday October 3, 2011

    Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

    UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

    3620 block of North Lister 64117

    CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

    Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

    Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-100-offi...,3181219.story


    UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

    Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

    Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06...#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


    ~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

    ~phones were gone

    ~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

    ~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

    ~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

    (thank you NBM)

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    Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

    Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

    Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

    Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

    **Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

    **Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


    Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

    UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

    Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

    *** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-auth...,6273053.story

    Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

    Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
    by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
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    **family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

    Wednesday October 5, 2011

    9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.

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    ** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

    **conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


    NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

    Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
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    Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
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    2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

    Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
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    **Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


    Thursday October 6, 2011


    **Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

    **Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
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    ~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

    ~phones were gone

    ~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

    ~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

    ~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

    (thank you NBM)
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    http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...g_10-Month-Old

    ** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

    **per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

    **per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

    **Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

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    ***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa...,5671503.story

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    **the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.---suspects all cleared
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    Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a391r9l4

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    Originally Posted by BeanE
    [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
    --thank you BeanE
    Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

    Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

    Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

    Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

    Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

    Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

    Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


    http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


    "This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a3JybPqG

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    Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
    by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

    Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


    Friday October 7, 2011
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    (thank you BeanE for gathering these)
    #LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
    1 minute ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
    2 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
    2 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
    21 seconds ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
    38 seconds ago

    #LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
    3 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
    4 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
    4 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
    5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    #LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
    5 minutes ago

    #LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
    6 minutes ago

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    **Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.
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    Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/att...0&d=1317999122
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    **a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
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    http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/...96530303.shtml
    **FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.

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    PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
    ***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.—I can’t find anything else about this, so regard as rumor.

    **Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

    ** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)
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    **Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)

    The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

    Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

    http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

    Thank you to Hazel for finding this!
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    ***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


    http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


    **FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
    10 minutes ago


    **Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-poli...,5538504.story


    #LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.
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    **searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

    ** possible sighting in California
    http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

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    Thanks to BeanE:

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    #LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
    12 minutes ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
    38 minutes ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
    1 hour ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
    4 hours ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
    4 hours ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    #LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
    5 hours ago

    LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
    Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
    9 hours ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
    20 hours ago

    CliffJudy Cliff Judy
    What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
    20 hours ago


    Cliff Judy
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    Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
    http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy

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    Saturday October 8, 2011

    Re-cap—everyone cleared except for Debbie

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-0...ice-landfill/2

    **Possible new lead. Teenage neighbor being questioned. Also, DNA taken from teen. Neighbor was home the day Lisa disappeared and also knew the code to get into the garage.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14695496
    Bringing timeline over for Shelby1.

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    Why are they putting things out to the media that are not going to help in the least to find their baby??

    She had the baby monitor on....ok

    They are cooperating with the police....ok

    Where's their pins, T-shirts, command post? Why isn't she holding up a poster of her child EVERY time they are on TV. Why not give the number for the tip line instead of just saying, "call the tip line". I'm believing in their innocence less and less every minute.

    There's no sign that these two are really looking for their missing child, none.

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    carrying annalia's post over from the last thread:

    Originally Posted by jjenny
    They are looking for a couple with a baby in Ca? That's just silly. How many children are out there fitting Lisa's description?

    I bet there will be quite a few of these types of sightings. But how can LE not check it out? Stranger things have happened.

    JMHO
    Shoot...I just about rear-ended someone yesterday because I spotted a munchkin looking so much like little Lisa. She was being pushed in a stroller by a young lady, and they were visiting with a couple with a baby. While sitting at the stop light, I was able to observe the babe. I decided this child was a bit older than Lisa and had longer hair. Plus, the child was happy and bubbly and obviously knew the people in the group. BUT she most definitely looked an awful lot like Lisa. Come to think of it, my little neighbor favors Lisa as well.

    Point being, yep, there will probably be lots of false sightings and finding Lisa could be a needle-in-a-haystack scenario.


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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post
    Bringing timeline over for Shelby1.
    It's a sticky right? Does it take up a lot of space when it's moved from thread to thread? tia

    imo

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    I still keep going back to the fact that this happened the one night dad was out of the home all night long. It reminds me of the old saying, "When the cat's away the mouse will play."

    Was someone over there, or maybe several people visiting mom and keeping her company because they knew that dad was gone, and perhaps Lisa hated being alone? Could mom have wanted to hide that info from dad for some reason, thus the deception(if there truly was) in the LD test?
    "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect" Steven Wright

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    Quote Originally Posted by my_tee_mouse View Post
    carrying annalia's post over from the last thread:






    Shoot...I just about rear-ended someone yesterday because I spotted a munchkin looking so much like little Lisa. She was being pushed in a stroller by a young lady, and they were visiting with a couple with a baby. While sitting at the stop light, I was able to observe the babe. I decided this child was a bit older than Lisa and had longer hair. Plus, the child was happy and bubbly and obviously knew the people in the group. BUT she most definitely looked an awful lot like Lisa. Come to think of it, my little neighbor favors Lisa as well.

    Point being, yep, there will probably be lots of false sightings and finding Lisa could be a needle-in-a-haystack scenario.
    There are gonna be many people calling in saying they saw "baby Lisa." As child growth it develops more of the individuality while it is harder to tell the babies apart.
    Just my opinion

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    Coded to garage

    They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

    I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiositycat View Post
    I still keep going back to the fact that this happened the one night dad was out of the home all night long. It reminds me of the old saying, "When the cat's away the mouse will play."

    Was someone over there, or maybe several people visiting mom and keeping her company because they knew that dad was gone, and perhaps Lisa hated being alone? Could mom have wanted to hide that info from dad for some reason, thus the deception(if there truly was) in the LD test?
    That's possible, but surely the neighbors would have noticed and reported the comings and goings?

    ETA: Then again, as I gaze out my window I'm reminded that I've been told the people catty-cornered to me throw wild parties, yet I've never heard a bit of it!

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