An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Thursday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.
Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.
Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.
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http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08...baby-lisa.htmlDetectives met with Lisa’s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, late Saturday afternoon, a development that Young said was crucial.
“It’s the best thing for everybody in trying to find this child,” Young said. “We couldn’t be happier about it.”
The couple also consented to additional searches at the house, he said.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08...#ixzz1aHeuzkQa
Please let this be the day that a lead is produced to find little Lisa.
I'm very surprised the FBI is not offering a reward.
I slept for a few hours and missed 10 pages or something. Is there anything HUGE i missed?
This post is a collection of "Do we know that?"s. It seems to me that we are making some conclusions on the basis of assumptions that we don't have confirmed.
Please can someone refresh my recollection if we do have confirmation of some of these things?
I don't see it quite like that. There are some what if's in that IMO. If the dogs not barking are a problem supposing the mother did it it applies to an intruder even more so in my opinion. The dogs would be accustomed to Lisa's mother's scent so they might not feel alarmed. Even so, they might have barked if they sensed any unusual activity, if they're the barking type.
But just because the mother said so, we can't be sure that the dogs didn't bark. Do we know what the neighbors said about it? Maybe they did but the mother slept through it, because she was dead tired or under medication or maybe she played it down because she knew what the dogs were barking at (her?), or maybe everyone in the neighborhood is so accustomed to the dogs barking at night for whatever reason that they never pay any attention to them any more and don't feel the need to be alarmed.
The children not waking up is not a problem to me. Some children are very heavy sleepers. My six and nine year olds are very hard to wake up so I wouldn't find it strange that they didn't. And again, IMO, if we think mom can't have done anything because the children didn't wake up we should IMO think an intruder can't have done anything for the same reason. I am not even sure that the children didn't wake up. Maybe they did and that's why the boy was in mom's bed.
IMO, the neighbors might not think twice about any cars pulling up either. If the father or someone else in the neighborhood had worked nights it might have been a regular occurrence and nothing to bat an eyelid about, and again, some people are heavy sleepers and would not even wake up to a car quietly driving near their home. I can hear cars at night if I'm awake in the kitchen but if I'm in my bedroom at the back yard side I don't hear a thing, particularly if all the bedroom doors are closed. And do we even know what the neighbors said about cars? Maybe someone did hear something.
Yes but what you put a baby to sleep with and what people secretly carry them away from the home in might be two different things.
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Was a reward offered in Aliayah Lunsford case? I check there for updates but haven't seen a reward in that case either.
I saw a video link to info about the mother's past, but I got distracted, lost it and can't seem to track it down again.
Anyone have it handy?
O/T this is in reference to cell phones, I know this phone had an open line, but this is fast tracking were a call is coming from.
Dispatchers pinged the call, got the address and sent a police officer to the scene.
When I was busy caring for little ones my hands were always full when leaving the house and returning. Quite often, I accidentally locked myself out of the house or car. I had a favorite window I used to get back inside without having to call my hubby to bring me his keys. I wonder if the window that had the screen pushed in was big enough for a six or nine year old child to go through if he had a boost from Mom? It is much easier to send a child through the window so they can unlock ther door. I wonder if Mom went somewhere in a hurry that night? It wouldn't be hard to hide the baby in a laundry basket or duffel bag. (Sorry!)
Another possibility is that the dog might have heard a commotion inside and tried to get in through the screen if he is tall enough to reach it with his paws. Labs can be pretty large.
Last edited by grandmaj; 10-09-2011 at 09:49 AM.
So, it doesn't surprise me they're not offering a reward.
Is any LE agency or Crime Stoppers or anything offering a reward yet?
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Busy AM in baby Lisa Irwin's neighborhood. 6 live trucks so far. Everyone hoping for new leads. yfrog.com/h0j7xfmj
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Good morning everyone! Happy Sunday.
Praying today is the day Lisa is found safe!!
A reward fund is being set up in hopes of generating new leads in the disppearance of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin while her parents are cooperating again with investigators, officials said.
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There was a garage code key pad (if we are to believe the teen neighbor info) so locking oneself out most likely was not too much of a problem. Much easier to open the garage from the key pad, and enter the house from there, even if it was with a key hidden in the garage somewhere, than to damage a screen and shove a child through.
The dog was in a fenced area of the back yard, the window screen in question was on the front of the house, and the description of him was a SMALL black lab mix as per posted info.
I have missed a LOT of info here as I am not a "full time" reader, but these small bits I did read about a few times. Hope that helps.
Last edited by grandmaj; 10-09-2011 at 09:29 AM.
One is being set up apparently but nothing official yet or an amount given.
What checkered past...this sounds like a good, loving mother.....the ex family speak very well about her!
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