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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    I've actually been getting out of my car, talking on the phone and looking for it at the same time lol
    I have had the coffee pot in hand looking around on the counter and table to figure out where I set the coffee cup which happens to be in my other hand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Could have been a guy carrying out trash....?
    I dont have a link but I do recall reading here via link that when the man walking around mid night w a baby in only a diaper, he pretended he was walking into a home when he saw the witness drive by in a car.. Might be wrong, going off memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by md89 View Post
    I'm sorry, I meant that you can't open it from outside if you don't have a key. It locks automatically when you shut the door so no one can come in unless you have a key.
    TY cuz I was sitting here imagining some elaborate secret tunnel system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    Does anyone know if the dad was unemployed before this first night shift?
    This job has been his job. He switched to a different shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    Agree; a random intruder wouldn't know there weren't other phones or a land line. Neither would a random intruder who had his/her hands full carrying a 10 month old baby out of the house bother to pick up the phones off the kitchen counter which was steps away from getting out the front door and a successful kidnapping. Not to mention the cell phones tracking the kidnapper's movements unless they were discarded immediately.
    When, really, it would take mere seconds- grab them and shove them in your pockets. Hopefully, it's their undoing, as I'm wondering if the supposed 2:30am phone call was actually a "butt dial."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacie Estes View Post
    He would have a crash landing.

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    Though it might look something like this. (Pieter Brueghel, "The Fall of Icarus")

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    I feel like the phones were more taken to sell in my opinion. Or, that would be my first thought. IPhones are one of the most stolen products out there and can be resold for quite a high price.
    I mean, the phones are gone either way so I don't guess it matters, but it doesn't feel like the potential stranger abductor cared about discretion or even not getting caught. Banging in a window, turning on nearly every light, passing bedrooms to get to the baby's room...it isn't like this person sneaked in quietly and stealthily. It almost seems overtly in your face and brazen like maybe that is even the point.

    I still wonder why they returned to the backyard/yard area...2-3 times? The only possible explanation I can think of is the cellphones are pinging in that radius and they think they may have been buried or thrown somewhere close?

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    Someone else had posted where my thoughts are... there are just too many "coincidences" in this case. Something's not right.

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    No more news tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Oh I agree but like you said, we don't know what, if anything may have been the reason for a cover up. We know she's still married and has custody of her 6 year old son. Son's dad and family haven't seen the son in 6 years, IIRC. Why?

    Did she panic? Would she lose custody of her 6 year old? Just a theory.
    She would not lose custody of her 6 year old due to an accident unless it was proven to be child abuse. That kind of accident is just that...and she would not be in trouble.

    The whole reason for the existence of a Poison Control center is because children get into things. My son got into the refrigerator, took the CHILD PROOF cap off of his "pink medicine" (Amoxicillin) and took a couple of big old swigs when he was 2 years old. It happened while I was helping his older sister brush her teeth. I called poison control and my pediatrician in a panic. No one reported me for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Oh I agree but like you said, we don't know what, if anything may have been the reason for a cover up. We know she's still married and has custody of her 6 year old son. Son's dad and family haven't seen the son in 6 years, IIRC. Why?

    Did she panic? Would she lose custody of her 6 year old? Just a theory.
    DB and SB were only separated 4 years ago....
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    But if the phones were taken on the spur of the moment, then somehow, I guess the person would have managed to get away without the phones pinging, because LE has told us (IIRC) that the phones have not been helpful in the investigation.

    If the person took the phones on a whim, then they must have just happened to have knowledge of what needed to be done to stop them from pinging (is it remove the battery?), and then they must have taken the time to stop and do it in the midst of snatching baby L and making a get away.

    It's just hard to envision.

    (Note that I'm a member of WS and I'm not 100% sure how to stop a phone from pinging. Does the average person know this?)
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    Our locks are "thumb bolts." Whether the door is locked or not locked from the outside, it can be opened from the inside by turning the doorknob. We have regular deadbolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    I've actually been getting out of my car, talking on the phone and looking for it at the same time lol
    It's extremely embarrassing when you happen to tell the person you're talking to on your cell phone that you can't find your cell phone. So, I've heard

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    Can someone help me? I can't believe I've got this remotely straight in my head. Kidnapper *possibly* comes in window....in just the right window where there's no one sleeping. Turns all the lights on...in the middle of the night. Takes the 10 month old from the crib....and then while juggling a potentially cranky, half asleep baby, dude stops to juggle three cell phones with the free hand he has to use to open doors to make his retreat???


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    Quote Originally Posted by grandmaj View Post
    No more news tonight?
    Sadly, no. Though I'm going to have to call it a night soon, so maybe when I fall asleep they will find her and she will be home when I wake up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcyline View Post
    I feel like the phones were more taken to sell in my opinion. Or, that would be my first thought. IPhones are one of the most stolen products out there and can be resold for quite a high price.
    I mean, the phones are gone either way so I don't guess it matters, but it doesn't feel like the potential stranger abductor cared about discretion or even not getting caught. Banging in a window, turning on nearly every light, passing bedrooms to get to the baby's room...it isn't like this person sneaked in quietly and stealthily. It almost seems overtly in your face and brazen like maybe that is even the point.

    I still wonder why they returned to the backyard/yard area...2-3 times? The only possible explanation I can think of is the cellphones are pinging in that radius and they think they may have been buried or thrown somewhere close?
    The backyard thing is a puzzle isn't it.
    It seems like if the cell phones were buried the dirt would be disturbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy7 View Post
    It's extremely embarrassing when you happen to tell the person you're talking to on your cell phone that you can't find your cell phone. So, I've heard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldpizza View Post
    I haven't found the numbers yet, but I did find this

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/acetaminophen/HO00002
    There will be tens of thousands of kids that are accidentally overdosed and even more that were not treated for an overdose. Parents with sick kids buy adult medicine since infant cough/cold medicine is not sold and they try to adjust the dosing to fit their child’s needs.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not allow manufacturers to provide dosage recommendations for children under age 2 on the bottles or packaging. In May 2011, an advisory committee recommended changing this policy — but the FDA has not yet done so, and the old policy is still in effect, at least for now.”

    Personally I think that not putting dosage directions for children under two is dangerous because some parents are going to give their sick child this medicine by guessing at the dosage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy7 View Post
    It's extremely embarrassing when you happen to tell the person you're talking to on your cell phone that you can't find your cell phone. So, I've heard
    It's not unlike walking around searching everywhere for one's glasses when, in fact, one is wearing them. Not that I'd know of course.

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    Anyone watching the 10 pm news for the update promised earlier? I think about LE activity in KCK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist View Post
    When, really, it would take mere seconds- grab them and shove them in your pockets. Hopefully, it's their undoing, as I'm wondering if the supposed 2:30am phone call was actually a "butt dial."
    At this point I am more curious where the phones last pinged from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutterfly View Post
    Can someone help me? I can't believe I've got this remotely straight in my head. Kidnapper *possibly* comes in window....in just the right window where there's no one sleeping. Turns all the lights on...in the middle of the night. Takes the 10 month old from the crib....and then while juggling a potentially cranky, half asleep baby, dude stops to juggle three cell phones with the free hand he has to use to open doors to make his retreat???
    I don't know if I can help or not. Because I don't think this was just some strange dude. I think it was someone that knows the family and has been in their home plenty of times before. He could have easily pocketed the phones on his way through the kitchen before lifting the sleeping baby out of her crib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutterfly View Post
    Can someone help me? I can't believe I've got this remotely straight in my head. Kidnapper *possibly* comes in window....in just the right window where there's no one sleeping. Turns all the lights on...in the middle of the night. Takes the 10 month old from the crib....and then while juggling a potentially cranky, half asleep baby, dude stops to juggle three cell phones with the free hand he has to use to open doors to make his retreat???
    And, no dogs barked...and nothing was heard on the baby monitor...
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