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    MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #11

    An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Sunday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.

    Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.
    Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

    Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.



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    Sorry it took me so long to get this thread up. It takes forever to link those previous threads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture View Post
    Sorry it took me so long to get this thread up. It takes forever to link those previous threads!

    Hi KaylynnCouture,

    Your baby girl (hope she wouldn't mind me calling her that!) is absolutely beautiful!!

    Joining you in prayer that our little Lisa will somehow come safely home and get to be 4 yrs. old someday. Can you imagine how cute she will be?

    Kelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Faraday View Post
    Hi KaylynnCouture,

    Your baby girl (hope she wouldn't mind me calling her that!) is absolutely beautiful!!

    Joining you in prayer that our little Lisa will somehow come safely home and get to be 4 yrs. old someday. Can you imagine how cute she will be?

    Kelly
    Thank you!! She turns 4 next Sunday, so I figured I would put it up all week in honor of her. She's an amazing kid.

    And, I agree..I would love nothing more right now then to see baby Lisa home just in time to celebrate her 11 month birthday this Tuesday, and her 1 year birthday next month. She is a gorgeous little girl who has her whole life in front of her.

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    Thanks, KaylynnCouture.

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    Bringing this from the end of the last thread:

    How was she transported???

    Either abduction or parent crime.... there needed to be some form of transport for little Lisa to be removed from the home.

    If she was deceased by one or both parents and didnt need a car seat, then there should be evidence in one of their cars (as well as near or in the home). Unless they did a really good job wrapping her, the dogs should pick it up. Otherwise, if it's the parents, then likely it was another car.

    If an intruder took her and she is alive, it would have required a car seat. You cannot just drive around with a 10mo old loose in a car, unless you perhaps have an accomplice holding her sitting on the floor or something, or in back of a van. But I dont think you can do it alone and not draw attention. You either have a car seat or an accomplice, or risk looking strange to other cars. (you could put her in a trunk. but if you want to keep the baby, not likely)

    You couldnt walk her out for sure, not for long anyway. Could you walk all the way to the river without being noticed?

    I wonder if they have looked at people who recently bought car seats in the area? Or asked recent craigslist sellers of anyone suspicious who bought one.

    What I am saying is basically, if she is alive, there is likely a carseat out there.

    Any other ideas? (Sorry if this has already been brought up, I have read almost everything and didnt see it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trillian View Post
    Bringing this from the end of the last thread:

    How was she transported???

    Either abduction or parent crime.... there needed to be some form of transport for little Lisa to be removed from the home.

    If she was deceased by one or both parents and didnt need a car seat, then there should be evidence in one of their cars (as well as near or in the home). Unless they did a really good job wrapping her, the dogs should pick it up. Otherwise, if it's the parents, then likely it was another car.

    If an intruder took her and she is alive, it would have required a car seat. You cannot just drive around with a 10mo old loose in a car, unless you perhaps have an accomplice holding her sitting on the floor or something, or in back of a van. But I dont think you can do it alone and not draw attention. You either have a car seat or an accomplice, or risk looking strange to other cars. (you could put her in a trunk. but if you want to keep the baby, not likely)

    You couldnt walk her out for sure, not for long anyway. Could you walk all the way to the river without being noticed?

    I wonder if they have looked at people who recently bought car seats in the area? Or asked recent craigslist sellers of anyone suspicious who bought one.

    What I am saying is basically, if she is alive, there is likely a carseat out there.

    Any other ideas? (Sorry if this has already been brought up, I have read almost everything and didnt see it)
    I don't think kidnapper is necessarily going to worry about a car seat.
    Just my opinion

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    Just popping in to see if there are any new developments - a quick skim of the last few pages of the previous thread tells me there aren't. I have guests coming by pretty soon so will be out of touch for a few hours. Many thanks in advance to all those posters continuing to keep the threads and info flowing.

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    Once again, to recognize how few non-family INFANT abductions there are, here are our statistics....

    Since 1983 (almost 30 years), there have only been 278 INFANT abductions (babies in the first year of life). Of these, only 12 infants have not been recovered or located. Of the 278, almost half of these were newborn abductions from hospitals. So...as we look at 30 years, we can see how few non-family infant abductions there are.

    ETA: I hate to say "only" 278 infant abductions....just 1 would be too many. But when you compare infant abductions to child abductions the numbers are very low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shefner View Post
    Once again, to recognize how few non-family INFANT abductions there are, here are our statistics....

    Since 1983 (almost 30 years), there have only been 278 INFANT abductions. Of these, only 12 infants have not be recovered or located. Of the 278, almost half of these were newborn abductions from hospitals. So...as we look at 30 years, we can see how few non-family infant abductions there are.

    ETA: I hate to say "only" 278 infant abductions....just 1 would be too many. But when you compare infant abductions to child abductions the numbers are very low.
    I don't think anyone really thinks Lisa was taken by a complete stranger. Someone who knew them somehow.


    These are abduction by "Non family members, which is misleading... that means Not parents or legal guardians."
    So grandparents, aunt, sister... if not the legal guardian would be included in "Non family members" by their definition.


    http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc...ctionStats.pdf

    Though really, Lisa would NOT be included in these statistics because she is 10 months old.

    These statistics ONLY apply to 0 to 6 months old. If you add 7-12 months, how many more are there?


    For the sake of discussion, when were these statistics updated?
    Does this include 4 month old Ramy taken in May, in the middle of the night by her paternal Grandmother who'd only met her once?
    Not a stranger but an identical scenario to Lisa, as far as the abduction went.
    She also is a "non-family member" abduction and would be included, because she was not taken by a parent or guardian.

    Does it include babies who were abducted as infants and found as adults recently? Or are they still among the "missing?"

    Where do the completely unsolved cases fit in? Sabrina, 5 months old?
    Where does she go? They don't list that year specifically... she doesn't appear to be there at all.
    So perhaps they are only counting absolutely confirmed abductions caught on camera or with witnesses/violence and that is why the majority are from health care facilities?

    I wonder how many more there are that are abducted from the home, that are not listed because someone decided the parents did it and the baby was never found?

    http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc...ctionStats.pdf

    Out of the 278 Newborn - 6 month old infants abducted by a non guardian/non parent...

    112 of those were from the home.
    No times, locations in the home or circumstances given.
    33 included violence to the mother.
    4 still missing.

    38 were "other places" (not the home, or health care locations.)
    10 included violence to the mother.
    3 still missing.


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    Today is my one year anniversary of being a WS member- can I say what an interesting, stimulating and well-run forum this is? I work the overnight shift in a pediatric ICU, and children are my special calling in life.

    PLEASE let this little one be found - whole, well-cared for and SOON.

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    kmartin..sorry you went thru that..get a pound puppy. they are so loyal and will protect you thru thick or thin. ...Not counting the love they give. I never regret having dogs...ever. They have protected me as a child and as an adult.

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    Oh, also, I brought over all the tags from Thread #10, but I've about reached the max number I can post, so if we start talking about something really interesting, or a new person or place, please do a tag for it. Thanks!

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    Is there a psychic thread regarding this case? If so, how do I get there? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by captivagrl View Post
    Is there a psychic thread regarding this case? If so, how do I get there? Thanks
    No, the Astrology forum closed back in July, I'm pretty sure.

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