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    Lisa had to have been taken away from the house on foot (carried) at least initially, why no scent? Are dogs not helpful when leading from the home of the missing? Too many scents to follow from daily activities? I guess I always count on dogs too much but there seems to be a lot that can't be determined. (I know there is always the right kind of dog, right kind of training debate...) Anyway, JMO.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandmaj View Post
    So besides re-enacting the window which was being either recorded or pictures taken by a detective from what I can see in the pics, did they do anything else? Anyone?
    I think that's all they did - the window/screen - but the media tagged it as "a re-creation" or whatever, making it sound more grand than it really was. Haven't seen anything in MSM that says if they did anything else.

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    Bringing these 2 media links over from the last thread..

    Deborah Bradley Still Married to Another Man:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7208541#post7208541"]MO MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    Family Hands Out Flyers To 80,000 Nascar Fans Today:
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...48dd80f9f7c774

    Also, just so everyone knows, baby Lisa turns 11 months old on Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    Lisa had to have been taken away from the house on foot (carried) at least initially, why no scent? Are dogs not helpful when leading from the home of the missing? Too many scents to follow from daily activities? I guess I always count on dogs too much but there seems to be a lot that can't be determined. (I know there is always the right kind of dog, right kind of training debate...) Anyway, JMO.
    I could be wrong but don't dogs trace scents on the ground? If baby Lisa was carried, not walking, her scent wouldn't be on the ground..

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    Question

    I have trying to keep up with this thread but have a few questions that I hope someone can answer for me

    • Is there a military base within 100 miles of the Irwin household?
    • A few days back there was mention of a call made/received from one of the stolen phones after midnight. Has this been verified by LE?
    • Has anyone been verified as the person walking down the street with a baby that was seen by the neighbor?

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    ..they were using the dogs very early on..

    http://www.globaltvbc.com/world/kans...610/story.html

    On Wednesday, FBI agents with dogs searched the family's home, a light-green ranch-style home in a cozy neighbourhood along a winding street. An FBI spokeswoman acknowledged the agency was committing significant resources to the search, but declined to discuss why the agents entered the home or what they found.


    http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05...nts-plead.html

    More than 300 law enforcement officers have been involved in the search. Authorities have conducted three shoulder-to-shoulder searches in woods near the home and have deployed police dogs several times.

    “Unfortunately, none of those have really led us anywhere,” Young said.
    On Wednesday, FBI personnel in protective clothing gathered original scents from the house so they would have something for specially trained dogs to track. Those dogs started working late Wednesday morning, Young said.
    Sorry, I should have said, WISH THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MORE SUCCESS WITH DOGS IN THE BEGINNING.....IN A SITUATION PERSONAL TO ME:

    They brought a canine from the XXXX police department to come sniff and follow the person's scent. The canines showed that this person parked at the end of our street, hugged close to each house until it got to ours and went right into the backyard, to the slide, and to our window. Amazing that a dog can figure all of this out

    Maybe the dogs alerted them to more than they are saying....but it seems to me in other cases, if the dogs DID pick up on a strangers scent, which direction the perp (and/or victim) headed, etc. LE will announce that. I recall that has happened in several missing person cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandmaj View Post
    So besides re-enacting the window which was being either recorded or pictures taken by a detective from what I can see in the pics, did they do anything else? Anyone?
    Nothing that was announced. Jeremy's sister Ashley was at the speedway, reportedly to raise funds and get the word out about Lisa to 80k people. In the announcement about that, it was stated that Lisa's parents were absent from the event. I hope they spent the day with LE and there is investigative progress being made.

    ETA: This is aside from the reports of LE interviewing the teen neighbor again earlier this morning.
    My opinions only, with respect to all those whose opinions differ

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    Up to now, been lurking, hoping for a quick resolution

    Apologize if this has been posted already, but I haven't been able to catch up on all posts. Here is a link to DB's court case with SB showing she was awarded $206 per month child support and "medical support" beginning 2/15/09:

    https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/judgements.do

    I assume medical support means insurance.

    Among the many things that I find odd in this case, why has LE not asked JI to take a lie detector? He stated on his Friday Today show interview that he would take one, but hadn't been asked. Also, do we know for certain that DB failed the LD or did LE just tell her that to see what her reaction would be? I think LE may be allowing JI to feel overly confident just to see if he "slips up". JMO

    IMO, I am far more suspicious of JI than DB. I can imagine a scenario where he may have feared DB might go back to her ex and take baby Lisa with her. He stages an abduction, with the cooperation of a family member, passing her off to someone in the middle of the night. Other than a scenario such as this, I have to say it must be a stranger abduction, even though I know statistics suggest this unlikely.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

    Is her maiden named Bradley or her married name? I hear her also being called Debra Netts? His and her body language is odd in this pic, her leaning strangely into him but looks as if reserved, him with his hands in his pockets...

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    ..in this clip that pattyG linked from the judge jeanine show-----deborah mentions that the neighbour and her 4 year old daughter were over that evening...the little girl was watching a movie in the boys bedroom with them.

    ..surely the neighbour saw lisa too? that would significantly narrow down the last sighting of her..by someone other than deborah.

    [ame]http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=163706[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyConQueso View Post
    I have trying to keep up with this thread but have a few questions that I hope someone can answer for me

    • Is there a military base within 100 miles of the Irwin household?
    • A few days back there was mention of a call made/received from one of the stolen phones after midnight. Has this been verified by LE?
    • Has anyone been verified as the person walking down the street with a baby that was seen by the neighbor?
    Good questions.

    There's a KC-area military base: it's Richards-Gebaur AFB. Ft. Leavenworth is also right across the border, in Kansas.

    Neither the "call" nor the neighbor's sighting has been verified by LE, I don't think.

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    Someone did ask earlier today, but I missed the answer, who was the last non-family member to see Lisa? And when exactly was that? Did they really see her, or for instance assume she was asleep in her crib. Mom did state that she had a cold.

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    In that video posted above it looks as though LE stood on some sort of small table. Like an outside table to hold drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandmaj View Post
    So besides re-enacting the window which was being either recorded or pictures taken by a detective from what I can see in the pics, did they do anything else? Anyone?
    Doesn't seem so; not exactly like watching paint dry but I did laugh a couple of times and wished we had audio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmartin96 View Post
    Sorry, I should have said, WISH THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MORE SUCCESS WITH DOGS IN THE BEGINNING.....IN A SITUATION PERSONAL TO ME:

    They brought a canine from the XXXX police department to come sniff and follow the person's scent. The canines showed that this person parked at the end of our street, hugged close to each house until it got to ours and went right into the backyard, to the slide, and to our window. Amazing that a dog can figure all of this out

    Maybe the dogs alerted them to more than they are saying....but it seems to me in other cases, if the dogs DID pick up on a strangers scent, which direction the perp (and/or victim) headed, etc. LE will announce that. I recall that has happened in several missing person cases.
    I don't really know anything about scent dogs, but where did they find the scent to follow? I thought normally it was clothing? Or were the dogs able to detect the scent from the window and follow it?

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