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    IDI Theories (intruder did it)

    What points to an intruder?

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    OMG....when I saw a new thread "IDI Theories" show up on the "New Posts" page, I thought it was for the JBR forum. What are we going to call theories about the Irwins being responsible? FDI? Family Did It?

    For IDI, I don't feel like there's been enough evidence released to point towards that direction. LE has not come out and said they've found unknown DNA, a footprint, fingerprints, etc. It's very possible that they have that information but I can't list verified forensic evidence pointing towards an intruder.

    You can make the missing cell phones point towards an intruder or towards a family member. I think that, whoever was involved, took the cell phones because there was something on there that they didn't want anyone to see. Some people might think LE needs the phone to check the records.

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    Things we know that would sway me in favor of IDI include: 1) Lisa appeared to be a happy healthy baby, always smiling in her pictures, so nothing to suggest abuse 2) no apparent history of abuse or mental instability in either parent's background 3) no apparent substance abuse issues by Mom or Dad 4) Mom immediately volunteered to be polygraphed, and did so, & Dad volunteered to be polygraphed, but LE declined to do so 5) no friend or family member from either parent has come forward to cast suspicion on either parent

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    Are we including family (excluding mom & dad) in intruder theories?

    They knew the family, they knew dad would be at work, they knew where Lisa's bedroom was, they kept Lisa from waking/crying. The dog didn't bark.

    I think the best scenario for intruder, is a family member. Stranger abduction seems like the stars lined up for them.

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    Agreeing with iamnotagolem that the intruder could be a family member who doesn't live there (extended family). Entered with a key. Tampered with window to make it look like a break-in. That could also be the reason for taking the phones, but also maybe to try to conceal the extent of the relationship, so their texts etc. would not be scrutinized. A family member intruder also explains the lights--they'd turn them on, b/c if caught in the house in the dark it would look suspicious, but with the lights on it looks like an innocent visit. Then walked out without locking.

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    I think that the DNA sample that they took from the neighbor might point to an intruder. We don't know why they took the DNA sample, but they either want DNA to compare if they ever get a sample, or they already have some sample to compare the neighbors DNA to. Since we don't know which, I can't say for sure, but they don't usually take DNA samples from everyone else if their strongest suspect is a parent or someone else that lives in the home.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StJohn View Post
    Things we know that would sway me in favor of IDI include: 1) Lisa appeared to be a happy healthy baby, always smiling in her pictures, so nothing to suggest abuse 2) no apparent history of abuse or mental instability in either parent's background 3) no apparent substance abuse issues by Mom or Dad 4) Mom immediately volunteered to be polygraphed, and did so, & Dad volunteered to be polygraphed, but LE declined to do so 5) no friend or family member from either parent has come forward to cast suspicion on either parent
    Zahra Baker smiled in all her pictures too...

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    What about possibly and ex-partner or the estranged husband of DB? Someone who was holding a grudge or wanted some kind or revenge???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32beatspersecond View Post
    Zahra Baker smiled in all her pictures too...
    Zahra Baker had a few unsmiling photos - and her physical condition wasn't great in some photos. The photos of Zahra, to me, gave a few clues about her home life. In Lisa's case, the family as a whole looks so much more happy than Zahra's, and Lisa looks to be in better physical care.
    “Justice cannot be for one side alone, but must be for both.” - Eleanor Roosevelt


    In no way should any of my statements be construed as legal opinion or advice. While I am a lawyer, I am not a verified poster here at WS. The above statement(s) are an expression of my personal opinion, for entertainment purposes only, and copyright.

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    I keep thinking someone that knew family and neighborhood well..if all these things can be substantated then what leads me to believe this is : The neighbors dog let out , the man with baby sighting, the dumpster fire seem to all point away from family...I think its possible that the door was left open cause when her company left she was tired and didnt check door ..i think maybe the boy getting up in the middle of the night turned on lights ..maybe when he got up Lisa was already gone. Maybe the lights were off till that point. I think the screen was pushed in cause someone tryed to push in the window with screen up. I dont think its suspicious that the dad left his cell at home cause he had a work phone? And i wonder if the mother was buying wine for the homeless guy...did they find the box in their house. I dont know why but i feel they are innocent ..I hope the LE doesnt use only statistics to dictate how they investigate crimes.. IMO thats how i see the case at this time.


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    "While we are speaking of abducted babies, I’ll list them all again. (From memory. I may have missed one or two.) I include babies two and a half or younger, only cases where it looks like the baby was abducted by a stranger and it doesn’t look like the baby is dead or that the parents were involved."

    http://charleyross.wordpress.com/201...issing-babies/

    After reading things like this above article and so many missing kids with no trace, I think it is always a possibility..There are really sick people out there.

    I think whoever took her has meet or knows the family.
    They climbed through the window it is possible that they know the other neighbor's movements and when they went to sleep.
    They knew where Lisa's room was.
    The dog's not barking.
    Lisa not crying.
    The dad's first day on the night shift also points to it being someone who knows this.
    The light's turned on, maybe knew no light would effect the mom in her room.
    Taking the DNA of neighbor makes me think they have someone's DNA and are trying to eliminate everyone known to be in the house..

    LE did stress that the family was not involved in the beginning and sent out a unusual Amber alert. I still don't think that the reason the LE said the parents were not cooperating is because they think they are guilty. I think they said it to get the parents back talking with them. The parents are the only ones who know who has been around little Lisa or them. My sister is close to me but she would have no idea who I seen in the store, passed walking in the neighborhood, had at my house, people I talk to at my kids school..ect.

    I don't like to rely on statistics..there are too many missing without evidence and no clear abduction..so focus stays on family... there is always a first time for anything. Cases like this remind me of Jaycee and her step-father. There is not enough to make me believe this family harmed her yet, I really don't want to rush to judgement.. I just don't know what happened!!

    Please GOD, helps us find this precious little pumpkin pie!

    ALL IMO...

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    Dad says that the intruder must have come through the unlocked door.....

    And they already prepared a list of suspects to give to LE????

    yeah....... They are totally involved. Nothing in their stories makes any sense.

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    Not sure if this is where to post this, I am only snipping this article. This is something the reporter stated so take it for what you will:


    “We do know that criminal informants all along have been telling us they want to look more closely at the mother and perhaps some relationships and associates that she has in the community,” said Read

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/11...rch-continues/
    What lies behind you and what lies in front of you pales in comparison to what lies inside of you....
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    Quote Originally Posted by StJohn View Post
    Things we know that would sway me in favor of IDI include: 1) Lisa appeared to be a happy healthy baby, always smiling in her pictures, so nothing to suggest abuse 2) no apparent history of abuse or mental instability in either parent's background 3) no apparent substance abuse issues by Mom or Dad 4) Mom immediately volunteered to be polygraphed, and did so, & Dad volunteered to be polygraphed, but LE declined to do so 5) no friend or family member from either parent has come forward to cast suspicion on either parent
    Yes, that's how I see it, too. I also see good reasonable doubt that the parents are responsible because of the reports by the neighbor of seeing the man walking down the street at midnight holding a baby's face tightly to his chest. That is an odd sight and at just the right time that child could have been taken. What grieves me, though, is that if that happened, she is in bad hands. She was also sick with a cold so breathing is always difficult them and to have her face pushed into that man's chest could have caused her demise. I don't want to think that way but I can't help it.

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    Also, if baby Lisa didn't cry, it could be because a hand went over her mouth right away. With a cold, she can't breathe thru her nose either so I worry so much about what happened to her. One has to inhale first to let out a cry so she probably wasn't able to do that.

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