Seems as though Megyn Kelly mentions a dog as well on her tour of the outside of the house.
So-if the dog knew the kidnapper or intruder-that makes the suspect pool small.It has to be someone that knows the family-why can't the police find anything from this small pool of suspects- LE checked all the names that D/J gave them-J said they cleared all those people-so that makes the suspect pool even smaller.I think if it was someone close to the family and known to the dog-LE would have found something.There have been no arrest-which leaves me to believe they are looking elsewhere for the suspect! JMO
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My questions are as follows. Is it possible for an intruder to come into Lisa's home and take her away without leaving any obvious signs of doing that?
If a door was unlocked or if the intruder used a "bump key" would there be evidence that an intruder forcibly entered the home?
If an intruder was wearing gloves would he leave fingerprints or any touch DNA?
Anyone's thoughts about this would be most welcome.
You'd think an intruder would be heard, but then there are all those cases where we know an intruder was present and nobody heard a thing. Like that recent case in Oklahoma where a man broke in, killed the dog and raped a four year old girl, and her stepdad didn't hear anything. And that was in a small trailer, not even a house.
I don't think the intruder being heard would be an issue. Some kids that age can sleep through a hurricane, and even if they woke up it might be they wouldn't take any notice. It's different if you're a spinster living alone and wake up hearing someone's in your house, you'll know at once they're up to no good, but if it's a home with multiple occupants and if the intruder didn't make any strange noises kids might just assume that mom or dad is up and go back to sleep and never even remember having woken up by footsteps.
I know I can walk through my home, watch tv and even occasionally hoover without waking up my children.
I do not think it is an issue that an intruder was not heard. People do sleep deeply, and often do not hear things in the house unless it is very loud. Someone opening a door would not have to wake someone up.
Did Jessia Lunsford Father not say neither he nor his parents heard jessica being taken and there were no signs of forced entry (I seem to remember the grandparents were accused of involvement). I have known people who were broken in to whilst they slept and did not notice anything until the morning. I also have known people who have returned home, and only when they noticed small things missing did they realised they had been broken in to as there was no sign of forced entry (bit spooky to think you woudl never know if someone had been in your home).
As for the dog, someone mentioned it only bark at people it knew, but quite quickly stopped barking at Spellman. If it is the case the dog was about, and did only bark at strangers, there is also the possibility that someone had been watching the house, and the dog recognized them. If someone was planning to break into a home and steal a baby then they might very well watch the place, be a bit friendly to the dog. I will also say my dog was a coward so whilst he would bark at strangers he would only do so when he was nice and safe, if someone had broken in he would have hidden and kept quiet (and I have known yappy dogs to actually do this).
But as Lisa is so young it makes me think she was taken because someone wanted a baby. That makes me think the family may have been followed by someone who saw them out and about with Lisa, perhaps even near places where people with babies go( baby clinics etc). Hospital maternity units (at leats here) tend to have high security so someone wanting a baby would perhaps avoid hospitals and target families in other situations. (I wonder if the dog barked as much with women?)
While I do agree that it's possible for an intruder not to be heard, given all the other circumstances, I still do not believe that this was possible in this case.
Why would an intruder bend the window screen? Why would they even mess with a window on the street side of the house?
If it was an intruder that was there specifically to steal a baby, why take the phones. . .that can be traced and pinged and make it more likely to get caught? And according to DB and JI, the intruder used one of the phones to call MW. I just don't believe that any intruder that was smart enough to break in and steal BL without leaving any traces of being there would be dumb enough to use one of the phones to call a friend. That monster that broke into that trailer and raped the 4yr old didn't use one of the phones to call home, kwim?
And of course, the biggest one for me, is the dog hit in the bedroom. I don't believe an intruder would have killed BL within the home and laid her on the floor of the bedroom where DB and possibly one or both of the boys were sleeping. I also believe those items taken during the SW were most likely hit on too.
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As for an intruder taking the cell phones, why not? There small and can be easily transported out of the home by simply putting them in a pants pocket. I didn't learn about tracing the location of a turned off cell phone until I started to follow this case. In regards to the phone call to MW, why is it dumb for an intruder to call her number but not dumb for DB/JI to call that same number?
The "dog hit" is the most incriminating thing pointing towards DB/JI. Certain items were removed from the house after the "dog hit". Further testing of those items may have been inconclusive as to supporting the possibility of Lisa being dead and laying on the floor. We just don't know of any test results to help us understand what may have happened. So in my opinion there's not enough evidence to tell me that DB/JI harmed Lisa.
Without any corroborating evidence to support that Lisa was dead and on that bedroom floor, I have to say that I have some doubts about DB/JI being guilty of harming Lisa.
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Is this the same neighbor dog that Jim Spellman (CNN not Fox) talked about?
If your talking about a different dog I would like to know some details about it.Anyway, the first few times I went back there the next door neighbor dog bark loudly at me the whole time i was back there. After going back there many times I think the dog got to know me and he would trot back and see what was going on but not bark.
It's a medium size dog...probably a mix breed (aka mutt).
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I feel that asking if it's possible for an intruder to have taken Lisa and not left things that you mention like fibers, hair, fingerprints, footprints, and DNA as being an honest question. I'm not sure what "NODA" is. For all we know, LE does have some forensic evidence to support an intruder taking Lisa.
Anyway, I'm just curious about peoples thoughts about the possibility that an intruder could have entered the Irwin house and removed Lisa without leaving obvious signs behind.
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