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    Today should be interesting, as there is some question whether Dr. Richard Ruffalo, Anesthesiologist and clinical pharmacologist will testify for the Pros. During the prelim, there was a controversy over the testimony of Dr. Ruffalo. The defense opined that the Pros may not even call their own expert. That may be, but IMO that would be a mistake. I think the defense will call him, if the Pros don't. Better to get him on the stand first, before the defense gets him. Here is an article from April about this.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-29/j...ff?_s=PM:CRIME

    And this reference on vindicatemj and sprocket

    Dr. Richard Ruffalo, the anesthesiologist who testified during the hearings, unfortunately drew a parallel between a person heavily deprived of sleep with a heroine addict who reaches for a syringe when nobody sees him. The comparison is incorrect as insomniacs don’t take medicine to get themselves high – they need medication to fall asleep, and they need sleep for sustaining their lives!

    Even absolutely healthy people deprived of sleep for several days running are risking their lives – so we should never compare insomniacs with addicts who take hard drugs for recreation purposes and undulging themselves!

    The anesthesiologist speaks of Dr. Murray leaving a dangerous drug in the presence of his patient:

    “That would be then another extreme departure, because the patient is a known addict, and the doctor then allowed that much like a known heroin addict, and leaving a syringe of drugs available. It’s an extreme departure. And making sure the patient can’t have self access to drugs. That’s an extreme departure.

    Dr. Ruffalo also admitted he had made a mistake when calculating the amount of propofol in Michael’s stomach but said Dr. Murray’s guilt was still there as “either way, it doesn’t matter,” he testified. “He abandoned his patient and didn’t resuscitate appropriately.”

    I made an interpretation mistake. I thought it was micrograms and it’s really milligrams.
    So, we’re back to it being orally? Well, we’ll have to talk to the coroner.

    It’s a big difference isnt’ it? I totally agree.




    45x what it is in the hospital blood.
    Yes, I made a mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2goaliemom View Post
    Today should be interesting, as there is some question whether Dr. Richard Ruffalo, Anesthesiologist and clinical pharmacologist will testify for the Pros. During the prelim, there was a controversy over the testimony of Dr. Ruffalo. The defense opined that the Pros may not even call their own expert. That may be, but IMO that would be a mistake. I think the defense will call him, if the Pros don't. Better to get him on the stand first, before the defense gets him. Here is an article from April about this.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-29/j...ff?_s=PM:CRIME

    And this reference on vindicatemj and sprocket

    Dr. Richard Ruffalo, the anesthesiologist who testified during the hearings, unfortunately drew a parallel between a person heavily deprived of sleep with a heroine addict who reaches for a syringe when nobody sees him. The comparison is incorrect as insomniacs don’t take medicine to get themselves high – they need medication to fall asleep, and they need sleep for sustaining their lives!

    Even absolutely healthy people deprived of sleep for several days running are risking their lives – so we should never compare insomniacs with addicts who take hard drugs for recreation purposes and undulging themselves!

    The anesthesiologist speaks of Dr. Murray leaving a dangerous drug in the presence of his patient:

    “That would be then another extreme departure, because the patient is a known addict, and the doctor then allowed that much like a known heroin addict, and leaving a syringe of drugs available. It’s an extreme departure. And making sure the patient can’t have self access to drugs. That’s an extreme departure.

    Dr. Ruffalo also admitted he had made a mistake when calculating the amount of propofol in Michael’s stomach but said Dr. Murray’s guilt was still there as “either way, it doesn’t matter,” he testified. “He abandoned his patient and didn’t resuscitate appropriately.”

    I made an interpretation mistake. I thought it was micrograms and it’s really milligrams.
    So, we’re back to it being orally? Well, we’ll have to talk to the coroner.

    It’s a big difference isnt’ it? I totally agree.




    45x what it is in the hospital blood.
    Yes, I made a mistake

    http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/201...ngs-concluded/


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    Thanks, goaliemom. Yeah, they gotta call him. Period.


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    First witness: Alon Steinberg, cardiologist
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    witness is going through a detailed explanation to the jury about what it is a cardiologist does (so far I've heard him say nothing about treating insomnia)
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    p: as an expert cardiologist you're not an expert in yada yada yada (all the things Dr. Murray was doing to MJ)
    witness: no
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    still going over witness's credentials...he has quite a long list of them.

    witness testified that he reviewed Dr. Murray's qualifications and Dr. Murray was not board certified cardiologist on June 25, 2009
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    witness has worked as an expert reviewer for the California Medical Board when complaints are filed to see if the dr in question has acted within the standard of care established
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    Anyone else hear that sizzle? This good-looking cardiologist had turned on the stove, and is selecting the pan in which he will fry Dr. Murray.


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    witness explaining to jury the different levels of judging a dr's standard of care protocol

    p: did you conduct an expert review through the Cal Med Board on this case as it relates to Dr. Murray
    w: yes
    p: how many expert reviews have you done on other drs
    w: 8
    p: and did you find extreme deviations on standard of care on the other doctors
    w: no, this is the first review I've ever determined extreme deviations (also called it gross negligence)

    p: are there procedures where cardiologists use propofol
    w: yes, there is. when most of our procedures we do, (naming a few of them - he's speaking fast and explaining some of the procedures)
    Cardiologists in general, we are experts at mild or moderate sedation.
    (explaining the difference between the two and now saying neither is deep sedation and explaining deep sedation. deep sedation is the only time i see cardiologists using propofol)

    p: so in your practice of cardiologist, you usually use mild or moderate
    w: yes

    witness said that in those procedures propofol is not used, benzodiazopenes are used
    deep sedation is when propofol is used and an anthesiologist is always who does it, not the cardiologist
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    Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch!!!!!

    Talk about a "jury" of your peers!!!

    I think the good doctor Murray is gonna need some propofol to get through this witness's testimony.


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    Prosecution talking about informed consent. Wonder if MJ signed that? Cause it didn't look like he had signed Murray's contract. This witness should just have a big flashing sign on his chest saying Murray is not one of us.

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    Witness is explaining different monitoring machines needed for using propofol. Witness is good, but seems almost gleeful when mentioning Murray's name. Witness has a cute little grin but I am not sure it will work the way prosecution wants it to.

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    Witness is still explaining what all a Dr. needs for typical standard of care while giving propofol. That list is really long, and witness is pointing out what Murray did and did not do that is standard of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    Witness is still explaining what all a Dr. needs for typical standard of care while giving propofol. That list is really long, and witness is pointing out what Murray did and did not do that is standard of care.
    BBM

    No objection by defense for witness making such bold statements?!

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