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    Quote Originally Posted by azwriter View Post
    kaRn, yours is a post I can agree with. MJ wanted the "milk." And I too believed he shopped till he found a doctor who would and could legally buy and stockpile the sleep drugs MJ wanted and was determined to have.

    What father goes home at night and spends the night in a room no one is allowed to enter with a doctor there all night? This is very strange.

    I believe Dr. Murry didn't keep records because all of this was to be MJ's secret. MJ didn't want records kept of what drugs he was given or the entire routine of him being put under in order to sleep. He played a fools game with a drug that should only be administered in a hospital setting with equipment to cover any emergency while he was under.

    ETA: your signature has me now craving donuts

    Certainly the doctor was wrong to leave the room but he also was wrong in allow himself to be hired for this weird proceedure done behind closed doors in a person's private home.

    I am sorry MJ died. I am a fan but I have to say in this situation of doctor/patient relationship, MJ wasn't the patient - he was the doctor's boss. It's pitiful for all concerned. JMO
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    A position that Dr.M or any other doctor should ever let themselves be placed. He's even said in his police interview that he viewed MJ as his employer. To that, I say "say what?" a doctor should never view himself as an employee of a patient. IMO

    ETA: your signature has me now craving donuts now i have to go run an errand real quick
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    Quote Originally Posted by azwriter View Post
    kaRn, yours is a post I can agree with. MJ wanted the "milk." And I too believed he shopped till he found a doctor who would and could legally buy and stockpile the sleep drugs MJ wanted and was determined to have.

    What father goes home at night and spends the night in a room no one is allowed to enter with a doctor there all night? This is very strange.

    I believe Dr. Murry didn't keep records because all of this was to be MJ's secret. MJ didn't want records kept of what drugs he was given or the entire routine of him being put under in order to sleep. He played a fools game with a drug that should only be administered in a hospital setting with equipment to cover any emergency while he was under.

    Certainly the doctor was wrong to leave the room but he also was wrong in allow himself to be hired for this weird procedure done behind closed doors in a person's private home.

    I am sorry MJ died. I am a fan but I have to say in this situation of doctor/patient relationship, MJ wasn't the patient - he was the doctor's boss. It's pitiful for all concerned. JMO
    I imagine it is like a lot of parents who may make their bedroom off limits at times to their children while they are in there 'asleep' and I am sure the children thought he was sleeping. Why would they be up in the middle of the night anyway? He didn't even get home until after 1:00 am in the morning. They knew their father was rehearsing for his comeback tour.

    I am not sure MJ wanted the 'milk' as in craved because Propofol is not addictive since it leaves the blood stream within a few short minutes but he did feel this was the only med that worked for him and really if he thought he had rested then that is what he felt. He told CM that nothing else worked.

    They are beginning to do studies now where Propofol is being used as a sleep aide for people who suffer from terrible insomnia. I suppose it is no different than someone else who has insomnia and thinks only one drug works for them.

    I don't believe MJ was the boss at all. He had always trusted doctors. Some he shouldn't have, imo but he did.

    I think he knew the risks. He knew he had to have a licensed doctor administer this drug. That is why I think the theory of injecting it himself is a cockamamie lie CM made up in his faux statement. If so then after he got Murray to buy the drugs he would no longer need him and could just do it himself. That DT theory doesn't make sense but then the others don't either.

    He also knew a doctor would have to monitor him. He told Nurse Lee he would be fine BECAUSE a doctor would be there monitoring him. What he could not foresee though was a doctor who was more interested in talking on the phone that day and didn't have his mind on monitoring him at all. So I do think MJ took necessary precautions or he would have just gotten a layperson to administer it to him after CM supplied it and frankly knowing how Murray deviated so grossly from the standard of care that day he may have been better off. A layperson sure couldn't have done any worse.

    From what I have seen of Murray thus far I think he came across to MJ as someone who could handle everything and really there was nothing in his background that said he couldn't. He had been a doctor for almost 20 years and had three different practices. I have no doubt he came across as authoritative and full of himself. After all he wanted 5 million to start with but still was going to be paid 150K a month.

    MJ was aware of what had to be done and so was Murray. Murray just didnt give a darn about his patient the morning he killed MJ.



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    I just opened trial thread 13 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    I just opened trial thread 13 .
    Thank you Soulmagent,

    Here is the thread

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d+murray+trial

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    BBM

    A position that Dr.M or any other doctor should ever let themselves be placed. He's even said in his police interview that he viewed MJ as his employer. To that, I say "say what?" a doctor should never view himself as an employee of a patient. IMO

    ETA: your signature has me now craving donuts now i have to go run an errand real quick
    Well, My Good Friend Talina, while you're there, would you please get me a couple of chocolate frosted, Boston cream-filled (not the white stuff, puh-leeze) donuts? And a medium Pepsi with that would be especially good. Thanks, and I'll pay you back double when I see ya!! Mmmmm, smack, smack, slurp, slurp....


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