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    NV - Antelope, WhtFem 362UFNV, 25-30, found nude in cave, Sept'86

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 362UFNV
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/362ufnv.html
    NamUs UP Case 9027 https://identifyus.org/cases/9027

    Reconstructions of Victim by Left 3: Wesley Neville; Right: Dalene Nielson

    Unidentified White Female

    The victim was discovered on September 27, 1986 in Las Vegas, Clark County, Nevada.
    Estimated Date of Death: 3 - 4 weeks prior to discovery
    Cause of Death: Undetermined

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 25 - 30 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6"; 92 lbs. (in life she could have weighed 15 - 20 pounds more.)
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Light to medium brown hair that may have been previously streaked, 6-9 inches in length. Slender build. She had given birth to at least one child.
    Dentals: Available. She had dental restorations on a few of her teeth. No missing teeth.
    Clothing: Clothing found in the area included: white tennis shoes with pink stripes, a beige t-shirt with floral design on the front and back - size medium. Blue jean pants - brand Willie Country - size 9, a bra and one white sock with red trim. Eye glasses were also found nearby, large clear plastic type frame with almost round lenses. There is no indication that the glasses were prescription or otherwise. There is no indication of manufacturers name. Plastic Colgate mouthwash bottle, kissing stick lip gloss, and a book of matches (Major League Baseball-official caps Advertisement) were found in the cave entrance.

    Case History
    The victim was found in a cave on the outskirts of Las Vegas on September 27, 1986. An open desert area about 2.5 miles south of W. Charleston Boulevard & about 4 miles west of Antelope. She was found in the cave, nude, lying partially under a blanket. Some clothing was found nearby. She had no traumatic injuries. It appeared that she may have been living there for a short time.

    A tox test showed negative for drugs/alcohol. She had multiple stress ulcers in her stomach. There was no evidence of any food, cans, packaging, bags etc. inside or outside of the cave.
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    This is a newly added MP casefile in NamUs. I just called it in. Everything fits pretty good except the height.

    KATHARINA KISZONAK
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/12589/3




    The clothing matches (Blue Jeans, light colored blouse, and Tennis Shoes), and she owns a pair of plastic framed eyeglasses, as is described of the glasses found with the UID.

    ETA: I just realized that she was missing in July 1985 (not 86), so the timeframe is over a year (not two months as I had previously thought). But still, this looks like a pretty good possible. The DoeNet narrative indicates "It appeared that she may have been living [in the cave] for a short time."

    It is not clear whether the body was decomposed enough to detect the rising sun tattoo w/birds on her right shoulder, or evidence of heroin addiction. But the heroin addiction would explain why she was living in a cave.

    The body was intact enough to detect stomach ulcers.

    There is also no indication that the UID had crooked teeth, as is described of Katharina.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-08-2012 at 02:05 PM.

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    Carl, I didn't check here prior to see that you made the same connection.

    This is the reply I got from Rick Jones two days ago

    " Hi Sam, thank you for your suggestion on checking Katharina Kiszonak. We have not checked her as of yet to our Jane Doe. According to NamUs, Katharina has DNA submitted for testing. Our Jane Doe's DNA has completed testing and we will contact the FBI CODIS and have them compare the profiles. We'll let you know the results. Katharina does not have dental records available. Our Jane Doe does not appear to have crooked teeth but we don't like to rule out on this alone. Our Jane Doe was partially decomposed and a tattoo is not visible on her back so we can't rule her out. We will wait for the DNA results.


    Thank you again.

    Rick"

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    Katharina Kiszonak and Veronica Brewer have just been ruled out. Here is the reply from Rick Jones.

    Sam, we requested UNT to check the mtDNA sample they have on file of our decedent with the mtDNA profiles of the maternal mother of each NamUs MP#12589 Katharina Kiszonak and MP#8364 Veronica Brewer and we were just notified that they are different therefore they are not the decedent.

    Thank you again, and keep searching.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    Rick

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    She weighed between 92 and 112 pounds and wore size 9 jeans? Something is wrong there. I'm much shorter, but I weigh about the same, and I wear a 2 or 4 depending on the manufacturer...I buy 2P or 4P, but I would guess someone at 5'6", 112 would wear a 4 or at most a 6. I'm thinking she weighed more than the estimate, at least when she went missing. Perhaps she lost weight later.

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    I would agree - I am 5'6" and I wear an 8, and I weigh FAR FAR more than 112.

    Also, size 9 would fall under "juniors" which has a different cut than womens, so it's possible she wasn't overly 'curvy' if she could wear those. No momma hips, for sure. Unless, of course, they were 4 sizes too big... which they would have if she weighed 112 or less at that height.
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    I know she's a little old at 36, but I'm just putting her out there anyways:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/11898/17/

    She apparently liked to wear this style of glasses, possibly transient, some belongings found in Reno, NV, but perhaps she continued further south?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    She weighed between 92 and 112 pounds and wore size 9 jeans? Something is wrong there. I'm much shorter, but I weigh about the same, and I wear a 2 or 4 depending on the manufacturer...I buy 2P or 4P, but I would guess someone at 5'6", 112 would wear a 4 or at most a 6. I'm thinking she weighed more than the estimate, at least when she went missing. Perhaps she lost weight later.
    Maybe they weren't her jeans and she just found them somewhere or something. Unless the jeans themselves were mislabled that really doesn't add up.

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    I was just coming here to post that maybe Julianne Jalliet was a possibility. It looks like Irish_Eyes beat me to it. Irish Eyes, was Julianne ever submitted to LE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traacker13 View Post
    I was just coming here to post that maybe Julianne Jalliet was a possibility. It looks like Irish_Eyes beat me to it. Irish Eyes, was Julianne ever submitted to LE?
    She was not. Julianne's daughter posted here at WS a few months ago in a thread dedicated to her. I don't remember what specifically it was, but some of the details she provided made me certain this could not be Julianne.

    Here is her thread...WA WA - Julianne Jaillet, 36, Bellevue, 1 June 1985 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    That's right....the timeline. It sounds from the thread as if Julianne met with foul play at the time of her disappearance, not 1 year later when the UID was estimated to have died.
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    How about Sheri Lynn Swims? Her hair was described as having been streaked like the UID and she had one child. On the night/early morning that she disappeared, she was said to have [according to the Charley Project] been in a vehicle that was stopped by police, then after the police had let her and her friend go, she had jumped out of the vehicle, hysterical, and ran off, never to be seen again. As improbably as it sounds, maybe she did have some sort of mental breakdown and end up in a cave in Nevada?

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11914/88
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/swims_sheri.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambercat View Post
    How about Sheri Lynn Swims? Her hair was described as having been streaked like the UID and she had one child. On the night/early morning that she disappeared, she was said to have [according to the Charley Project] been in a vehicle that was stopped by police, then after the police had let her and her friend go, she had jumped out of the vehicle, hysterical, and ran off, never to be seen again. As improbably as it sounds, maybe she did have some sort of mental breakdown and end up in a cave in Nevada?

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11914/88
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/swims_sheri.html
    Sheri Swims wore dentures. The UID doesn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Sheri Swims wore dentures. The UID doesn't
    I'm not sure how I overlooked that.

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    I agree with Irish Eyes, who proposed Julianne Jaillett several months ago and traacker13.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11898

    Despite being from Washington they found some of her stuff in Reno, NV. FWIW, I emailed Rick Jones at the Clark County Coroners office for a look. Her nose compared the drawing is what initially caught my attention. Timeline, height, and weight are good as well IMO even if she is a bit older than the estimate age of the UID. Even though the other thread on her suspects foul play etc... I understand what her daughter stated and why Julianne may NOT be this person...but I don't think it'll hurt to make sure, one more rule-out is better than not knowing.

    Last edited by masnitram; 07-28-2012 at 02:57 AM. Reason: clarification

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    Got a reply already from Rick Jones...

    "Hi Sam, thanks for the tip, we sent her name in also for a DNA check, I'll let you know. Have a good weekend.



    Rick"

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