10-18-2011, 09:14 AM #1
Susan Sarandon Under Fire for Calling Pope a 'Nazi'
Actress Susan Sarandon called German pontiff Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi during a discussion session at the Hamptons Film Festival over the weekend. She had sent a copy of the book (Dead Man Walking) on which the movie is based to the Pope.
"The last one. Not this Nazi one we have now," she reportedly told Newsday, and later repeated at the Ciroc vodka-sponsored panel.
. . . the crowd "didn't seem bothered" by Sarandon's words, and the discussion ended with the majority of the crowd praising her for everything from her work with UNICEF to her staunch support of Occupy Wall Street.
What? Where's the uproar? I guess since she is a Liberal, it's okay . . . Double Standards !!!! I hate them!
What do you guys think? Is there a difference between CALLING a pontiff a Nazi & COMPARING our great leaders to Hilter & Netanyahu?
Big difference in MO - may elaborate if others are interested.
10-18-2011, 09:30 AM #2
more from the FoxNews article:
Catholic League of America was quick to slam Sarandon for her "obscene" words.
“Susan Sarandon’s ignorance is willful: those who have hatred in their veins are not interested in the truth. The fact is that Joseph Ratzinger (the Pope) was conscripted at the age of 14 into the Hitler Youth, along with every other young German boy. Unlike most of the other teenagers, Ratzinger refused to go to meetings, bringing economic hardship to his family. Moreover, unlike most of the others, he deserted at the first opportunity,” the league’s President William Donohue said in a statement.
“Sarandon’s comment is obscene. Sadly, it’s what we’ve come to expect from her.”
I knew that the Pope was required to join Hilter Youth but I did not know how long or at what level he participated.
10-18-2011, 09:33 AM #3
can you believe I have found nothing on Huffington Post's site . . . LOL
10-18-2011, 09:53 AM #4
I live in the United States of America and fully and completely believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it's their legal right to express it.
No one has to agree with it.
I am so sick and dog tired of political correctness. Personally, I prefer people openly stand up and speak their minds .....just so *I* know who the idiots are.
10-18-2011, 10:01 AM #5
I agree with Linda above: what happened to Freedom of Speech?
Political correctness is stifling our voices & views . . .
We should be "free" to speak our minds, but we also should accept the responsibility that words may affect others.
10-18-2011, 10:11 AM #6
He WAS a Nazi as a teen, right?
From his Wiki page: Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth—as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after December 1939...
adding, after looking at more about the Pope, that his family did not personally ascribe to the Nazi doctrines, but obeyed the laws of the land. In WWll Nazi Youth were used as reserves-- "By 1943, Nazi leaders began turning the Hitler Youth into a military reserve to draw manpower which had been depleted due to tremendous military losses."
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth"]Hitler Youth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
10-18-2011, 10:30 AM #7
I generally find Susan Sarandon extremely annoying, but not because she dares to call the Pope a Nazi. It was a bit tacky, but factually correct. I was raised as a Catholic and have probably said worse about him myself.
My political leanings are slightly left of center, but I'm honestly not interested in hearing from the Hollywood Elite on matters of religion, politics, or social policy, whether they're liberal OR conservative, as I feel their opinions are no more important (and likely LESS so) than the average American.
krimekat, I'd just as soon ship her and Hank Williams, Jr. to some remote island somewhere and let them work out their differences.
"I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
10-18-2011, 10:32 AM #8
Being forced into the Hitler Youth program would not make him a Nazi . . . IMHO of course.
But what do we consider a Nazi? Are there different levels of Nazi-ism?
I don't consider him a Nazi & I hate that Sarandon makes light of her comment.
10-18-2011, 10:51 AM #9
I consider that many of the German populace who were Nazis in WWll didn't ascribe to the tenets, but they did the work dutifully. I pity their souls, but they were Nazis.
The Nazi movement of today is a sloppy manifestation of evil, imo, and doesn't have any real bearing when compared to the work of Adolf Hitler. moo
10-18-2011, 11:05 AM #10
The case of the great German novelist GŁnter Grass - author of "The Tin Drum" - is instructive:
On 12 August 2006....Grass stated that he had been a member of the Waffen-SS. Before this interview, Grass was seen as someone who had been a typical member of the "Flakhelfer generation," one of those too young to see much fighting or to be involved with the Nazi regime in any way beyond its youth organizations.
After an unsuccessful attempt to volunteer for the U-Boat fleet at age 15, Grass was conscripted into the Reichsarbeitsdienst (Reich Labor Service), and was then called up for the Waffen-SS in 1944. At that point of the war, youths could be conscripted into the Waffen-SS instead of the Armed Forces (Wehrmacht); this was unrelated to membership of the SS proper.
To the BBC, Grass said in 2006:
"It happened as it did to many of my age. We were in the labour service and all at once, a year later, the call-up notice lay on the table. And only when I got to Dresden did I learn it was the Waffen-SS."
10-18-2011, 01:28 PM #11
Susan outright called the Pope a Nazi.
But liberal views are often much better tolerated that conservative ones. So I'm sure her comments didn't ruffle many liberal feathers.
I'm not Catholic but her words sadden me.
10-18-2011, 01:44 PM #12
It doesn't "bother" me that she said what she did of the Pope... I do think that we are all allowed to our freedom of speech... It does, however, bother me that she is still toting that stupid book as fact. Prejean's book was more fiction than it ever was fact & if she (Susan) can't even be bothered to fact-check something she is still railing for, then I have ZERO interest in anything else she may have to say...
10-18-2011, 11:41 PM #13
There is no restriction on Freedom of Speech. But there are consequences when you publicly state your opinions/feelings/beliefs, etc. Susan will have to face those consequences, just as Bocephus did.
10-19-2011, 02:55 AM #14
Now I will love Susan Sarandon just as much as I despise the the Catholic church.George Eliot: "We constantly ask for God's mercy while showing none ourselves..."
10-19-2011, 07:01 AM #15
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