We don't know WHAT was done, much less WHO did it, HOW they did it, WHEN they did it, or WHY they did it. We are barely comfortable with WHERE it was done - at least in general. But that could prove to be wrong too!
We need way more than this to charge, convict or really even just to accuse someone!
In a controversy, the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth and have begun striving for ourselves. ~Buddha~
But I do think that someone had been watching that house. And from what little I have been able to learn, Baby Snatchers target someone and then just wait for an opportune moment.
wow..hadn't been around this board much, lately. Looks like DB and JI have done a good job drumming up support! Not hard to do with media attorneys and large law firms. But, kind of sad, too. Where is the support for baby Lisa? Oh! That's right....local LE and the FBI are her support. Bless them for not giving up on her. For tirelessly searching...
I am by no means a legal expert, just speaking based on my own experiences! But what happens in general is that the grand jury is overseen by the prosecutor (the DA) and only addresses felonies, not misdemeanors. The prosecutor presents evidence and the and can summon witnesses and compel them to testify. A judge is not present, nor are any defense attorneys. During my service, we were allowed to question witnesses directly. We ruled on everything from murder to rape to drug offenses. Hearsay can be admitted if it is supported by other evidence. The grand jury determines whether the evidence meets the standard of 'probable cause,' not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'--that is left to the trial jury to determine. So in general, the grand jury acts under the direction of the prosecution and is held to a lower standard of proof than a trial jury. Even so, there has to be some hard evidence, or a preponderance of circumstantial evidence of what happened and who did it.
I don't 'support' DB & JI--I support the truth. And the truth is, I don't know exactly what happened, or who did it. When and if LE does, I expect them to bring charges. I support that, too.
France has a similar system to America. one is Inquisitorial and the other is
Adversarial, although for the life of me I can never remember which one is what.
However, both France and UK have convicted innocent people in recent years, not to mention before hand, and some of whom were Executed. Which ever way you look at it, both of these systems rely on evidence supplied by LE.
I think everyone on this forum cares deeply about finding Baby Lisa. Many of us hope desperately that she will be found alive. We can differ about what we think happened, and who might or might not be involved, but I hope we can all agree that finding Lisa is the most important thing.
And to get back OT: Can the parents just for pete's sake, for LISA's sake, go and answer the police's questions? Until they do, speaking of innocence till proven guilty, what they currently are proving to me only of course, is how they are obstructing a LE investigation TO retrieve THEIR own baby!
The freaking mind boggles.
They have really convinced me of their level of care and concern. Really and truly.
I guess another cold case.
And relying on Karma somehow down the line.
KTCA : Karma Target Casey Anthony.
I've been thinking about exactly WHAT is meant by statements such as these...."parents not answering vital questions"....at times, they almost appear cryptic to me.
Going along THOSE lines....just a wee bit off the thread topic...
I'm still having trouble with DB's comment about "failing" the LDT...WHICH question in particular?? I don't remember her ever saying which one it was....correct me if I'm wrong, please. Seems, it almost immediately became accepted/theorized as a question like "did you do something to your daughter". Heck, maybe they asked her what her weight or size she is and she "adjusted" it....LOL
I'm not a LDT expert, but as I've heard, doesn't it have to do with the question being asked and how it's phrased that can lead to a "deceptive" response??
Maybe she has a strong feeling about who she "thinks" it is, and the way the question was worded came up as her giving a deceptive answer. All question/speculation.
The "questions" matter gets me wondering, as well. It could just as well be something about the people who were there that night and why were they there....bouncing off the phone call to MW's phone and all these Shanes or Danes or whoever start popping up. Maybe DB doesn't want to end up looking worse than she already seems with the being drunk/blacked out stuff. I mean, sheesh, maybe she could have bought a joint off of one of them. In the media, it would go from an alkie to a drug addict slammin' heroine.
I AM NOT INFERRING ANYONE IS INVOLVED IN DRUGS, in any way shape or form.
But, sometimes, the less said about things isn't such a bad thing. I honestly believe LE wants to know more about that crew in that other house and DB/JI's connection to them...be it nothing, as they've said....or something, they won't/can't say.
All, just IMO.
Yes, it was indeed a question regarding knowing the current location of her daughter. The one supposedly failed on the poly.
KTCA : Karma Target Casey Anthony.
"When we were children, we used to think that when we grew up we would no longer be vulnerable. But to grow up is to accept vulnerability, to be alive is to be vulnerable." ~Madeleine L'Engle
Proud to say.. I have never been on the fence !!
I have a question - since this thread has been going since Oct 18th and it is now Nov 22 - are we sure that the parents haven't been answering the questions in this time? Has LE made any recent statements that say they need answers? Has LE made any recent statements at all? These are not rhetorical questions - I can't always keep up everyday so I am not sure what LE has said in the past few weeks. thanks
This to me is a waste of resources when LE know that they aren't reliable. It also proves to me that they were trying to trap Debbie with something that they know is useless. This is disgraceful.
We don't know any of those things. All we know is there hasn't been an arrest yet. I think it's a bit of a leap from that fact to there isn't any evidence. I'm sure that LE has evidence. As to what that points to, we don't know yet, because there hasn't been an arrest.
Some things we do know. Lisa was last seen alive by her mother. Her parents reported her kidnapped. There was a lack of supervision the night Lisa disappeared. And the mother was drinking alcohol the night Lisa vanished.
If you take just those facts, you could insert other names and have the stories of other disappeared children where we do know what happened. While it doesn't prove anything, it does have the makings of cases we have all heard before, unfortunately.
And the thought of asking my brother to help me dispose of his dead niece leaves me in a state of shock.
We know someone was busy that night. Supposedly someone sneaked in the woods in the dark. Is there any reason why DB's night vision would be any worse than Jersey's or a random perp's?
Leaving older children alone might not be a great concern for someone who was prepared to dispose of a baby.
She wouldn't be the first person to try and manage a cover up really fast while waiting for someone to come home.
I don't know if she did anything but if it was impossible for her to see anything in the dark how could a stranger perp have managed? Yet someone did move there in the pitch black.
What? IMO I think people on both sides of the debate agree that finding baby Lisa is most important just opinions on guilt and innocence is the disagreement. Why would anyone be here if they didn't want her to be found? I am sure people on both sides have shed tears over this little angel and want the guilty party to be punished. I think everyone here would love a happy ending where there is a miracle and baby Lisa is found safe and secure somewhere. I also believe everyone here would love to see the guilty person punished for they're crime some just disagree on who is guilty and right now LE doesn't have enough to arrest anyone so I think the argument can be made on both sides. I honestly think that this case and any other involving children especially brings out a lot of emotions in people, but that is because they feel a compassion for the child and people they see has victims in the case. Some see the parents has victims of a horrible act so they are putting themselves in that position. Others see the parents has the criminals who hurt a beautiful baby girl and that is they're position. what everyone has in common is the fact that they care about a beautiful child and want answers and the person responsible to be brought to justice.
Under the circumstances, had LE not asked DB to take a poly-that I might label disgraceful.