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    Quote Originally Posted by peace9274 View Post
    Yayyyy Walgren for questioning witness about his knowledge of CM having shipments of benzos sent to girlfriend's apartment!


    Yayyyy Judge for allowing the question after Chernoff objected!!!

    Good stuff -- but Wally is being a bit bully-ish, IMO. This guy is being pretty forthcoming, I think, and Wally is almost in-his-face. I'd like to see him back off a bit unless he knows something about this guy that we don't know. The witness is getting his back up and his neck is about to bow-up.


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    Most of these questions would not need to have been asked or Walgren would have been better prepared had this expert handed in a written report.

    Don't understand how he was allowed not to when the Judge was so adamant he wanted reports by the experts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Credence View Post
    Wow -- Dr. Waldman is arrogant
    wow is right. sheesh. Can he be called a hostile witness on cross?
    Justice for Caylee

    "We have a different stage. We have the same actress," Sheaffer said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by octobermoon View Post
    wow is right. sheesh. Can he be called a hostile witness on cross?
    No, only on direct and it has to be declared by the court.


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    Dr. Waldman is certainly combative. Not doing the defense any favors. He comes off as arrogant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Credence View Post
    Direct by Chernoff / Dr. Waldman - Addiction Specialist

    Klein's Records begin Jan. 2009 - June 2009

    11:30am 100mg I/M injection of demerol LUQ with 1mg of diazalam

    12:00pm 100mg I/M injection of demerol LUQ

    50mg is standard for someone who has never had demerol before

    200mg is large dose - sleepy, lethargic - no good way to know how someone is going to respond - should start with small dose and work up but 200mg is large

    3/17 - Similar treatment but no botox (my note: at top of page it does say restylane treatment)

    10:45AM and 11:45AM - total 200mg of demerol

    Month of April:

    4/6 8PM - 200mg demerol / 1mg midazolam

    4/9 - 3:30PM 200mg demerol / 1mg midazolam

    4/13 - 11:15AM 200mg demerol/1mg midazolam

    4/15 - 200mg demerol / 1mg midazolam

    4/17 - 7PM 200mg demerol / 1mg midazolam
    7:30PM 100mg demerol / 1mg midazolam

    4/21 - 10:30AM 200mg demerol / 1mg midazolam
    11:30AM - 100mg demerol

    Implies that not getting enough from first shot of therapeutic value and is developing tolerance

    4/22 - 11:30AM 200mg demerol/1mg midazolam
    12:30PM 100mg demerol
    1:30PM 75mg demerol

    Waldman has never given such a high dose of demerol
    Highest recommended dose is 600mg over 24 hour period

    4/23 - 100mg demerol/1mg midazolam

    775mg in 3 days (4/21 - 4/23)

    4/27 - 11:30AM 200mg demerol/1mg midazolam
    12:30pm 100mg demerol/1mg midazolam

    (My note: I cannot believe Chernoff did not have an extra copy) So disorganized

    4/30 - 12:30pm 200 mg d - 1mg mdz
    2:30pm 100d - 1mg mdz

    5/4 - 200mg d / 1mg mdz
    100mg d / 1mg mdz

    Believes he was dependent upon demerol possibly addicted (due to public behavior ???)

    6 weeks of frequent high dose would result in opoid dependence and considered very high doses

    5/5 - 10:30AM 200mg d / 1mg midz
    100mg d/1mg midz

    5/6 200mg d/1mg mdz
    100mg d/1mg mdz

    No notations by doctor - does not see his initials

    3 days in May - 900mg demerol total

    gap between 5/6 and 5/19

    5/19 200mg d/1mg versed (generic for midazolam)

    5/20 200mg d/1mg versed

    5/21 100mg d/1mg midz

    6/1 - 200mg d/1mg mdz

    6/3 - 200mg d/2mg mdz

    6/9 - 200mg d/2mg mdz

    6/16 - 100mg d/1mg mdz

    6/22 - 100mg d/1 mg mdz
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    Withdrawal can cause insomnia in varying degrees

    Daily/intermediate - possibly chronic - can last weeks to months

    Can get relief from injections of reduction of demerol during withdrawal

    If individual physically dependent -- any opoids can relieve symptoms

    Symptoms of withdrawal would come back -- varies
    Wow!! You are amazing -- again. These notes are great, especially for those of us who go back later & review, or when we miss a bit of testimony. Thanks, WS'er!


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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    Good stuff -- but Wally is being a bit bully-ish, IMO. This guy is being pretty forthcoming, I think, and Wally is almost in-his-face. I'd like to see him back off a bit unless he knows something about this guy that we don't know. The witness is getting his back up and his neck is about to bow-up.
    I guess he could back off a bit -- but the witness is really being obstinate too.


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    Okay now he is just being a butt-head (my grandson's term)
    Justice for Caylee

    "We have a different stage. We have the same actress," Sheaffer said.


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    In a sense, all witnesses for the opposing side are considered hostile in that the cross-examening attorney can as leading questions, which Waldron just stated was "putting words in my mouth". Pastor told him that's what he can do!
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    Great summary and points made by Walgren on how it would take a multi-factoral team to address addiction something obviously Dr. Murray could not have done alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaMoon View Post
    Arrogant is a great word for Waldren. Also evasive and snotty to boot!
    Exactly! If I were a juror, I'd have a problem believing what he has to say. He's pushy and seems to be angry and agitated. His snotty comebacks to the prosecutor doesn't look good.


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    He forgot to say "and good nurses" as part of the detox & treatment team.

    (And mental health workers and a substance abuse counselor!)


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    Walgren: When was the last time you used demerol?

    Dr W: Never, if ever. (I think he said)

    As an addiction specialist, there wouldn't be a reason for the witness to use demerol, would there be?


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    I honestly wish Klein had testified as to his records. Is there different doses of demerol one would give for sedation? Also, Klein said on Larry King he was not doing "plastic surgery". He was actually restructuring MJ's face so would not be just routine boxtox or restylane treatments as most of us know about filling wrinkles.


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    The MD just stated that Demerol has a half-lift of 8 hrs at most, so he would expect to see w/drawal symptoms within that time.

    This would also account, IMO, for its absence at autopsy.

    Interesting.


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