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    Quote Originally Posted by outofstatelawyer View Post
    There's not much to plea "to" at this point. Had the State charged Murray with Murder, perhaps they would have been able to plea it down to involuntary manslaughter, but as it is, it is about the lowest crime they could have charged, given that there is a dead body here.
    Agreed. I was thinking he might wanna just enter a "no contest" plea if that's allowed in CA -- dunno. Or might just wanna stop the stampede and plead guilty, thinking he could work out some kind of "favorable" sentence.

    Otherwise, he just has to watch and keep his fingers crossed. All of 'em.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    And finally Dr. White:

    14. Would you permit Dr. Murray to administer any type of anesthetic medication to you or a loved one?

    I imagine a deer in the headlights look on that question.
    Dr White's answer will be the same as Dorothy Sims' when Joy B asked her if she'd let Casey Anthony babysit her kids!

    Dorothy Sims: "Um uh err ah mmm umm. My kids are too big. But I think she's very nice. Very likable."

    Dr White: "Um uh err ah mmm umm. My loved ones aren't sick. But I think he's very nice. Very likable."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amity View Post
    LOLOLOL
    Yes, I'm laughing.
    NOT because you've injured your ribs! That's painful and I'm so sorry for you!
    But because of the way you explain how they are hurting:
    Still laughing. Ouch-Ha-ha ouch-ha-ouchha-ha..ouch...

    OK, I'll tone it down to a slight giggle.
    That's fine, Amity -- I'm already much better -- just pinched one a tad.

    LazyWoman that I yam, I was in my car, at the end of our driveway, stopped to bend over from my car seat w'seatbelt on, to pick up the NY Times. I had to reallllllly bend over, 'cause I didn't aim the car too well to lazily pick the dayam thing up. So ouch! It took my breath away & brought tears to my eyes Poor, poor, pitiful me.

    True story, soap-opera style....


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    I was just reading Alan Duke's story @ CNN, that stated that White said he just couldn't figure out where the State got the idea that CM was infusing propofol that fateful day. Well, it was the conclusion of not only Dr. Murray but Dr. Steinberg, as well.

    Another random thought: If Murray was only giving MJ 25 mg. of propofol, why were all those other bottles lying around, the ones that he ordered Alberto Alvarez to put in the bag (and that were subsequently found in the bag)?

    I think this jury is likely to focus on things like the above: the common sense stuff. The battle of the nerds with graphs and mathematical models is all well and good, but I suspect a jury will decide based upon the things they "know". At least, I certainly hope so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    1. Are you aware that the propofol bottle did NOT have Mr. Jackson's fingerprints on it?

    2. Are you aware that the propofol bottle only had the fingerprint of Murray?

    3. Do you have proof that the statement given by Murray is absolutely the truth?

    4. Are you aware that the syringes for the versed and ativan were never found at the scene?

    5. Did you read the transcript of Murray's interview where he mentions giving a drip? Even correcting LE when they got it wrong?

    6. Did you take notice that Murray said 'initial' dose when talking about the 25 mgs?

    7. Are you telling this jury if Murray gave Mr. Jackson benzos and propofol in a home setting without monitoring that it meets the standard of care threshold expected?

    8. Do you believe 911 should be sought immediately or do you believe it is acceptable to wait 20 minutes or more?

    9. Did you base most of your theory on Murray's statement to LE?

    10. Are you being paid to give your opinion in this case?

    11. If so, how much?

    12. If you had a patient in dire straights would you call down to hospital security or would you summon medical staff to assist you instead?

    13. Do you believe it is acceptable for a doctor to lie to EMTs, ER staff and LE?



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    So does that mean the DT went through a dozen experts before they found Dr. White willing to take the defense's side?



    The researcher said the evidence recovered in Jackson's bedroom was more consistent with the singer receiving the powerful anesthetic through an injection. He said he believes Jackson somehow gave himself a 25-milligram dose of the drug between 11:30 a.m. and noon on June 25, 2009, when Murray found the singer unresponsive.

    He initially was reluctant to become involved in the Jackson case. But White said that after reading more than a dozen expert reports, he couldn't figure out how others came to the conclusion that Murray would have had to leave Jackson on a propofol IV drip for the singer to die with the anesthetic still coursing through his body.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    And finally Dr. White:

    14. Would you permit Dr. Murray to administer any type of anesthetic medication to you or a loved one?

    I imagine a deer in the headlights look on that question.
    "Your Honor, Your Honor!! Call a 20-minute recess and then call 911 -- this witness has fainted or passed out. He was trying to crawl out of the courtroom but was trampled-on by Lawyer Flanagan who has disappeared. Is there a doctor in the house?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    So does that mean the DT went through a dozen experts before they found Dr. White willing to take the defense's side?



    The researcher said the evidence recovered in Jackson's bedroom was more consistent with the singer receiving the powerful anesthetic through an injection. He said he believes Jackson somehow gave himself a 25-milligram dose of the drug between 11:30 a.m. and noon on June 25, 2009, when Murray found the singer unresponsive.

    He initially was reluctant to become involved in the Jackson case. But White said that after reading more than a dozen expert reports, he couldn't figure out how others came to the conclusion that Murray would have had to leave Jackson on a propofol IV drip for the singer to die with the anesthetic still coursing through his body.



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    Well he should be right at home. Murray succumbed to a patient doctor shopping and now the main witness in his defense has succumbed to expert shopping for his 15 minutes of expert testimony fame in high profile case.

    I don't believe for one second he was reluctant to become involved in a high profile case unless his hesitation was because he knew what his opinion was going to do to his reputation. He gets 13 expert opinion reports and he is the only one that disagrees. Can you imagine the testosterone flowing when that telephone conversation took place as he expounded on his expertise and he just did not agree. Then Chernoff or Flanagan asks him to testify and he back peddles real quick because he doesn't want to become involved? please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    "Your Honor, Your Honor!! Call a 20-minute recess and then call 911 -- this witness has fainted or passed out. He was trying to crawl out of the courtroom but was trampled-on by Lawyer Flanagan who has disappeared. Is there a doctor in the house?"
    OMG!!! Hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outofstatelawyer View Post
    I was just reading Alan Duke's story @ CNN, that stated that White said he just couldn't figure out where the State got the idea that CM was infusing propofol that fateful day. Well, it was the conclusion of not only Dr. Murray but Dr. Steinberg, as well.

    Another random thought: If Murray was only giving MJ 25 mg. of propofol, why were all those other bottles lying around, the ones that he ordered Alberto Alvarez to put in the bag (and that were subsequently found in the bag)?

    I think this jury is likely to focus on things like the above: the common sense stuff. The battle of the nerds with graphs and mathematical models is all well and good, but I suspect a jury will decide based upon the things they "know". At least, I certainly hope so.
    It looks like all experts sided with the state and they could only get White to go along with the defense. I still wonder if White's interest is more about being in competition with Shafer. His little act about his friend DS didn't fool me. He talked so nice and glowy about him and then he tried to throw him under the bus every chance he got. There is jealousy there when it comes to how White feels about Shafer, imo.

    And isn't it convenient. He says Murray's 25 mgs would not have killed MJ but now he says the other 25 mg that MJ supposedly injected would kill him. Yet he even told the jury that he wasnt patient and usually pushes the propofol in at a fast rate.

    Yet, I suppose he shut his eyes to the fact that Murray said he had already been giving him a 50 mg in the initial bolus continued with a drip for two months straight.

    Walgren is going to tear him a new one come Monday, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    "Your Honor, Your Honor!! Call a 20-minute recess and then call 911 -- this witness has fainted or passed out. He was trying to crawl out of the courtroom but was trampled-on by Lawyer Flanagan who has disappeared. Is there a doctor in the house?"



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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post


    I'm still sitting here laughing over that post. Priceless!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    "Your Honor, Your Honor!! Call a 20-minute recess and then call 911 -- this witness has fainted or passed out. He was trying to crawl out of the courtroom but was trampled-on by Lawyer Flanagan who has disappeared. Is there a doctor in the house?"
    They should make sure they say they don't need an anesthesiologist to assist them since the poor darn witness is already passed out.

    We wouldn't want White rushing over there with his propofol bottle and IV line in tow.

    Judge Pastor would look at Murray..then point his finger and say.....'dont you move a da*n muscle bud...you have already done enough damage.' 'There aint gonna be nobody dying on my watch.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    "Your Honor, Your Honor!! Call a 20-minute recess and then call 911 -- this witness has fainted or passed out. He was trying to crawl out of the courtroom but was trampled-on by Lawyer Flanagan who has disappeared. Is there a doctor in the house?"

    Dr White comes to, open his eyes, realizes he's alive & breathing and that Conrad Murray
    is doing one-handed compressions on his chest and blowing air into his mouth.

    (without touching lips, of course.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by peace9274 View Post
    Dr White comes to, open his eyes, realizes he's alive & breathing and that Conrad Murray is doing one-handed compressions on his chest and blowing air into his mouth.

    (without touching lips, of course.)
    We have the makings of a great SNL skit.
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