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    Why doesn't CPS take away the minor children?

    I couldn't find a thread where this should specifically be, so please feel free to move if there is a better place.

    I am really surprised that with all that is going on, that these boys have not been removed from the home. I would think that it would be helpful to LE as well in getting them access to the children for interview, etc. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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    Maybe DB's claim to be drunk was disproved and there is no reason to remove the children?

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    There could be a lot of reasons why not. There isn't enough "real" evidence to remove them. If the mom was lying about being drunk and passing out, there would be no evidence of neglect. There is no actual proof that Lisa wasn't abducted. If she was, the parents couldn't help that, at least not at that moment.

    Also, the children, up until now, have been living in a house where there were other adults, presumably responsible adults, so why take them out of there and place them in unknown territory? They were safe where they were and also, consider the turmoil these kids have already been through. To take them away would definitely add to that.

    Other than the missing baby, I don't think there have been any signs of abuse or reason to remove them. The parents not letting LE interview isn't really grounds for removal.

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    Using them for a media stunt last night seems reason enough for me.
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    I would think that her claims to have been blacked out when she was caring for 3 children OR the alternative - that she lied about the extent of her drunkenness to hide something worse, would be grounds for at least an investigation.
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    I would think, I would hope, that the bio dad of DB's son would be attempting to get custody. But, that's in my perfect world fantasy where all parents love and care for their children....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amster View Post
    Using them for a media stunt last night seems reason enough for me.
    Don't get me wrong, I want these little boys to lead as normal of a life as possible. BUT, the parents are complaining that the media is hurting the children, yet they themselves bring the media into the home they are living in to follow the boys around while they Trick or Treat? I'm sorry, but a normal parent would not do that. And, I use the word "normal" with tongue in cheek.
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    If they keep it up, there will reach a point where they are investigated. It's a form of child abuse to do this to their children, especially when it doesn't really help in any way to find out what happened to Lisa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I want these little boys to lead as normal of a life as possible. BUT, the parents are complaining that the media is hurting the children, yet they themselves bring the media into the home they are living in to follow the boys around while they Trick or Treat? I'm sorry, but a normal parent would not do that. And, I use the word "normal" with tongue in cheek.
    I agree with you completely. I think the main reason that CPS has left the boys in the family is because there are other family members living with them right now. I bet if they stayed in the same house and were alone with the boys that they might have been moved to a safer family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I agree with you completely. I think the main reason that CPS has left the boys in the family is because there are other family members living with them right now. I bet if they stayed in the same house and were alone with the boys that they might have been moved to a safer family.
    Good point!
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    Simply stated, they don't have enough. I know that offends a lot of people, but it is what it is. If they jump the gun, or treat them more aggressively than the standard dictates, they can be sued for damages.

    They have to show that (regardless of her sobriety) she made a decision that (as a result) caused harm to come to Lisa. Like it or not, alcohol is legal and there are no limits on how much a parent can or can't drink. Also, they have no proof of patterned neglect.

    In addition to that, there is little evidence of "imminent danger" applying to the wellbeing of the boys.

    We could debate this all day. It's not enough. But she ADMITTED she was drunk. But they need to show HOW she is directly or indirectly endangered her daughter, not just that her drunken state may have contribute to harm. But she ADMITTED she 'may have been' passed out. It's circular.

    With FBI and LE on this, they aren't going to jump ahead of normal procedure- and they aren't going to ignore it if there is legal reason to remove the kids. They can't just take kids, they have to weigh if it would hold up in court or be considered overly aggressive.

    PS- if parading your kids in front of media is enough, then we need to get some celebrities locked up! (light-hearted, I understand the implied sentiment)

    ETA- even if they were to be taken from DB, they could be put in the care of JI or grandparents. Not much would change.

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    I know people aren't going to agree with the above, but that is my opinion as a foster parent and child advocate. It's JMO, and you don't have to agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abby Normal View Post
    Simply stated, they don't have enough. I know that offends a lot of people, but it is what it is. If they jump the gun, or treat them more aggressively than the standard dictates, they can be sued for damages.

    They have to show that (regardless of her sobriety) she made a decision that (as a result) caused harm to come to Lisa. Like it or not, alcohol is legal and there are no limits on how much a parent can or can't drink. Also, they have no proof of patterned neglect.

    In addition to that, there is little evidence of "imminent danger" applying to the wellbeing of the boys.

    We could debate this all day. It's not enough. But she ADMITTED she was drunk. But they need to show HOW she is directly or indirectly endangered her daughter, not just that her drunken state may have contribute to harm. But she ADMITTED she 'may have been' passed out. It's circular.

    With FBI and LE on this, they aren't going to jump ahead of normal procedure- and they aren't going to ignore it if there is legal reason to remove the kids. They can't just take kids, they have to weigh if it would hold up in court or be considered overly aggressive.

    PS- if parading your kids in front of media is enough, then we need to get some celebrities locked up! (light-hearted, I understand the implied sentiment)

    ETA- even if they were to be taken from DB, they could be put in the care of JI or grandparents. Not much would change.
    You're right...it does offend me. YOU personally don't offend me...just the truth of what you said makes me uncomfortable. I just think that there are far too many cases that we hear about every day where CPS doesn't take a child out of the home and then the child dies. It's sickening really! If this isn't enough reason to at least investigate them, then I think that it is a very sad day for the kids.
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    They can't just take kids out of a home without proving those children are in danger.

    I see no reason at this point to take the children. Nothing has been proven yet.
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    If she wanted her "adult time" to drink "more than 5 drinks", she should NOT have picked the night that JI was not home. Parents are held to a lower standard than other caregivers. Could you imagine a nanny, daycare worker, or anyone else (other than the parent) not being arrested? She had 3 young children in her care and Lisa is gone! I'm shocked that child services has not opened a case.
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