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    Conrad Murray Trial - Closing Arguments 11-3-11

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    I tried to copy over links from Tuesday's thread that Peace posted and they did not work so I found some others. I found some others on a different forum and they seem to work even when copying over so the links up on the opening thread should all work (crossing fingers).

    Peace - if there are any missing that you have, can you post your links again and we'll see if they work again. I have no idea what is happening when links are copied over. I get a "parameter out required" error every time.
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    Here's hoping that Walgren got a good night's sleep and is loaded for bear with his closing argument.
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    Jean Casaras on IS now giving her opinion of what she thinks the defense will argue their closing statement. Someone needs to remind her what she says is not at all any evidence brought out in the trial. Isn't the rule that OS are free game but Closings Arguments can only include evidence that was brought out in trial?

    I so much prefer listening to Beth Karas over Jean. Jean has gotten to where she is more tabloid reporting that fact in many instances (eg where she sits outside waiting on the arrival of the Jackson family members, Paris Hilton, etc. just silly). IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Jean Casaras on IS now giving her opinion of what she thinks the defense will argue their closing statement. Someone needs to remind her what she says is not at all any evidence brought out in the trial. Isn't the rule that OS are free game but Closings Arguments can only include evidence that was brought out in trial?

    I so much prefer listening to Beth Karas over Jean. Jean has gotten to where she is more tabloid reporting that fact in many cases. IMO
    Good morning Talina!

    At one time I liked Jean but in the last couple of years I rate her down there with Jane who continuously gets the evidence mixed up or twists it when nothing like that was even said.

    Why Jean has become such a drama Queen recently I don't know. It is like she is hawking for a job with a tabloid site or something that wants everything sensationalized and dramatic. It is beyond aggravating though since most of us have seen every bit of testimony in this trial. That is a good thing though because at least when she says something off the wall we can all at it.

    Beth is the only one that sticks to the actual facts in the case but she has always been the best reporter on any case that has been covered, imo.

    You are right. Neither side can bring something up in CA if it was not entered as evidence in the actual trial.

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    IS replaying bits and pieces of Dr. Shafer testimony with some interesting background music. Worth watching for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    IS replaying bits and pieces of Dr. Shafer testimony with some interesting background music. Worth watching for sure.

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    Thanks I will turn on my TV.

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    Joey Jackson (criminal defense attorney) on IS just now referred to Dr.White as Dr. Shafer's mentor. I doubt that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    Thanks I will turn on my TV.

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    Hi oceanblue, hope you are a little better (I would say a lot, but I know better).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Joey Jackson (criminal defense attorney) on IS just now referred to Dr.White as Dr. Shafer's mentor. I doubt that.
    I really think Dr. Shafer far surpassed Dr. White years ago.

    He couldn't have been his mentor. He wasn't even one of his professors...he taught Dr. Shafer's wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    Hi oceanblue, hope you are a little better (I would say a lot, but I know better).
    I am a little better.

    Thank you.
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    Has anyone heard how long the judge has given each side for their closing arguments?

    ETA: Apparently, according to HLN, Judge Pastor has given unlimited time but asked the lawyers to limit it to one day for closing arguments. My goodness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Has anyone heard how long the judge has given each side for their closing arguments?
    Ooh, I didn't know he could limit that? Not a legal eagle.

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    I do believe with the added instruction to the jury, Murray will be found guilty. And, he should. A medical professional would never leave a potentially dangerous drug within reach of a patient and leave the room. For that matter, we would never leave an empty syringe with a needle on it and leave the room, as a needle injury could result in a law suit, rightfully so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    Ooh, I didn't know he could limit that? Not a legal eagle.
    Yes, a judge can set limits of time for opening and closing arguments. They're usually reasonable (for instance in the CA trial, each side had 4 hrs for their closing arguments) and I'm surprised for Judge Pastor to give unlimited time. Lord help us if Flanagan gets up with an unlimited amount of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Yes, a judge can set limits of time for opening and closing arguments. They're usually reasonable (for instance in the CA trial, each side had 4 hrs for their closing arguments) and I'm surprised for Judge Pastor to give unlimited time. Lord help us if Flanagan gets up with an unlimited amount of time.
    Oh please no Flanagan closing. He would drone on for the whole day. And probably mix up Dr. Shafer's testimony for Dr. White's.

    Ocean take it easy today. I don't even want to think about how much that has/does hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    I tried to copy over links from Tuesday's thread that Peace posted and they did not work so I found some others. I found some others on a different forum and they seem to work even when copying over so the links up on the opening thread should all work (crossing fingers).

    Peace - if there are any missing that you have, can you post your links again and we'll see if they work again. I have no idea what is happening when links are copied over. I get a "parameter out required" error every time.
    GOOD MORNING!
    I hope everyone is feeling good, especially oceanblueeyes & borndem with their sore ribs. I sure hope you both got a good night's sleep.

    Thanks to Talina for starting today's thread & posting the links.

    I checked my links from the other day & they worked.

    I copied them & brought them over here, but then they didn't!

    I'll try all fresh URLs and see if they work.

    (I could not connect to your USTREAM Links (both) or BLOG Link)

    LINKS:

    MajicAtl
    http://majicatl.com/videos/majicatl/...e-live-stream/

    TMZ
    http://www.tmz.com/

    MY FOX
    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpps/new...l-app_15219744

    NEWS STAR
    http://newstaar.com/watch-streaming-...-today/354326/

    CLICK 2 HOUSTON
    http://www.click2houston.com/video/29313639/index.html

    CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/video/

    LA LOCAL TIMES
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/mi...jackson-trial/

    USTREAM
    http://www.ustream.tv/conradmurraytr...medium=9407213

    ABC LOCAL CHANNEL 7
    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=8366366

    iTUNES
    http://www.apple.com/itunes/affiliat.../?id=464322481



    ETA: OK - I just tried each one and they're all working for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Yes, a judge can set limits of time for opening and closing arguments. They're usually reasonable (for instance in the CA trial, each side had 4 hrs for their closing arguments) and I'm surprised for Judge Pastor to give unlimited time. Lord help us if Flanagan gets up with an unlimited amount of time.
    I think JP knows the state has a tremendous amount of evidence to cover so of course he has to give the DT equal time.

    Imo, the defense just doesn't have that much they can cover unless they repeated it over and over and if so, Walgren will stand up and object.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    I do believe with the added instruction to the jury, Murray will be found guilty. And, he should. A medical professional would never leave a potentially dangerous drug within reach of a patient and leave the room. For that matter, we would never leave an empty syringe with a needle on it and leave the room, as a needle injury could result in a law suit, rightfully so.
    Well I am shocked.

    Involuntary manslaughter does not have to have a motive because it isn't an intentional act but Beth just said that the jury instructions will have that the jury can consider lack of motive.

    WTH????????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I think JP knows the state has a tremendous amount of evidence to cover so of course he has to give the DT equal time.

    Imo, the defense just doesn't have that much they can cover unless they repeated it over and over and if so, Walgren will stand up and object.

    IMO

    And if it's Flanagan, he'll drag out his sentences, with long pauses between each word,
    re-phrase each comment, start over, move hands & arms around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    Well I am shocked.

    Involuntary manslaughter does not have to have a motive because it isn't an intentional act but Beth just said that the jury instructions will have that the jury can consider lack of motive.

    WTH????????????????????
    I was a little surprised at that as well. I have full confidence, though, that Walgren will take care of that in his closing argument. Of course there was no motive, this isn't intentional. It's involuntary. Involuntary by its definition suggests there is no motive. He can give a few analogies to dissuade the jury from going down that path. I'd be insulted if I were a juror and the defense tried to suggest since there was no motive, he was not liable in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peace9274 View Post
    And if it's Flanagan, he'll drag out his sentences, with long pauses between each word,
    re-phrase each comment, start over, move hands & arms around...
    Hopefully when the jurors start nodding off, the judge will give some sort of waving of the white flag to let Flanagan or Chernoff know he's lost them and time to stop talking just to hear his own voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    I was a little surprised at that as well. I have full confidence, though, that Walgren will take care of that in his closing argument. Of course there was no motive, this isn't intentional. It's involuntary. Involuntary by its definition suggests there is no motive. He can give a few analogies to dissuade the jury from going down that path. I'd be insulted if I were a juror and the defense tried to suggest since there was no motive, he was not liable in any way.

    I also hope the DT doesn't minimize CM's gross negligence by saying it, MJ's death, was accidental...
    and to go easy on him because accidents can happen to anyone, blah blah blah!

    BTW: Who's on first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Hopefully when the jurors start nodding off, the judge will give some sort of waving of the white flag to let Flanagan or Chernoff know he's lost them and time to stop talking just to hear his own voice.
    Is there someone to wave the white flag if the judge nods off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peace9274 View Post
    Is there someone to wave the white flag if the judge nods off?
    Hopefully the deputy that takes care of the technology in the court room has something in place to wake him up. ha!

    Judge Pastor said earlier in the trial that the deputy (can't remember his name right now) sets things up in the court room so that he is needed.
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