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    The Front Porch

    Something has really bothered me as I've continued to try to come up with reasonable answers about this case. I started off in the beginning completely supporting DB, but as her story changed (via her own words) I fell harder with each change.

    I now believe that baby Lisa was either found dead or died during the early evening, after JI went to work. I personally believe it was an accident of some kind, and by DB's hand.

    I think that the entire night of sitting on the front stoop was so that as many people as possible would see her for hours on end, with a friend, and seeing her would provide her with an alibi. In looking at the difference between the front and back of the house, there is such an extreme contrast from front to back. What would be a logical reason that DB and SB would sit in the front vs the back. They have a nice deck that have chairs. Why sit on hard cement for hours on end.

    Here is the difference between the front and back. What do you think?

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    Back deck:
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Something has really bothered me as I've continued to try to come up with reasonable answers about this case. I started off in the beginning completely supporting DB, but as her story changed (via her own words) I fell harder with each change.

    I now believe that baby Lisa was either found dead or died during the early evening, after JI went to work. I personally believe it was an accident of some kind, and by DB's hand.

    I think that the entire night of sitting on the front stoop was so that as many people as possible would see her for hours on end, with a friend, and seeing her would provide her with an alibi. In looking at the difference between the front and back of the house, there is such an extreme contrast from front to back. What would be a logical reason that DB and SB would sit in the front vs the back. They have a nice deck that have chairs. Why sit on hard cement for hours on end.

    Here is the difference between the front and back. What do you think
    It's possible. However. I think sometimes people like to socialize with neighbors in front of their houses. This neighborhood seems to have been a busy one, with a good bit of foot traffic. If you sit on the front porch, you can say hello and chat with anyone who walks by. I don't think where they were sitting is a big tell-tale clue. I think there were other potentially valid reasons reasons to sit there, than building an alibi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenpalm View Post
    It's possible. However. I think sometimes people like to socialize with neighbors in front of their houses. This neighborhood seems to have been a busy one, with a good bit of foot traffic. If you sit on the front porch, you can say hello and chat with anyone who walks by. I don't think where they were sitting is a big tell-tale clue. I think there were other potentially valid reasons reasons to sit there, than building an alibi.
    I agree here. It depends on why you're outside. Are you feeling social? Do you want to see other people, and be seen? I have a similar set up now, and did at my old house. While the deck was nice, it's very isolated. I would feel lonely sitting out there sometimes. In the evening, the deck was loaded with mosquitoes too. My legs would be covered in bites.

    Out front, you could sit on the porch, and see people walk by. Neighbors out for their evening walks, taking their dogs for a walk. Kids will ride their bikes.

    But I guess if we want to believe there is an ulterior motive on this evening, again it comes down to, why are they there? Are they there to be seen? If so, by who? As many neighbors as possible, in hopes of an alibi? Or is this a signal to another person involved?
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    Don't worry, in a couple of days the story will change to them sitting on the deck. Next month they will say they were sitting on the roof.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownRice View Post
    Don't worry, in a couple of days the story will change to them sitting on the deck. Next month they will say they were sitting on the roof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownRice View Post
    Don't worry, in a couple of days the story will change to them sitting on the deck. Next month they will say they were sitting on the roof.
    Well the good news is LE checked the roof already and nothing was found or I should say, there is no indication anything was found. Maybe a couple of wine stains? lol


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    I'll have to dig up the timeline but JI supposedly left for work at about 5:30. Didn't DB and neighbour start drinking at around 7 - 7:30 after she put Lisa to bed?

    How could she have disposed of the body in that time frame without a trace? Including cell phones (assuming they're still missing).


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I'll have to dig up the timeline but JI supposedly left for work at about 5:30. Didn't DB and neighbour start drinking at around 7 - 7:30 after she put Lisa to bed?

    How could she have disposed of the body in that time frame without a trace? Including cell phones (assuming they're still missing).
    I've never heard anything about Lisa being up before 7 or 7:30. No mention of her having dinner with SB, the boys and SB's daughter. My understanding was that DB "last saw" Lisa at 6:40 when she supposedly checked on her and said that Lisa was standing up in her crib. But, of course this info came out AFTER she'd said she last saw Lisa when she checked on her at 7:30 and then finally when she checked on her at 10:30. Three different times she said she checked on Lisa.

    I think that Lisa was either accidentally killed in trying to make her go to sleep because she wanted to get out of her crib and DB wanted to party.

    I believe DB had a "Scarlett O'Hara" attitude in that she would think about it later, not knowing what she would do.

    I do believe that DB had help disposing of Lisa. I think that the phone call that night plays a huge part in this.

    I also could accept the fact that she wanted to socialize, so sat on the front porch, but I still think that she had more of a reason to be sitting there for hours, and it wasn't just to socialize with neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    I've never heard anything about Lisa being up before 7 or 7:30. No mention of her having dinner with SB, the boys and SB's daughter. My understanding was that DB "last saw" Lisa at 6:40 when she supposedly checked on her and said that Lisa was standing up in her crib. But, of course this info came out AFTER she'd said she last saw Lisa when she checked on her at 7:30 and then finally when she checked on her at 10:30. Three different times she said she checked on Lisa.

    I think that Lisa was either accidentally killed in trying to make her go to sleep because she wanted to get out of her crib and DB wanted to party.

    I believe DB had a "Scarlett O'Hara" attitude in that she would think about it later, not knowing what she would do.

    I do believe that DB had help disposing of Lisa. I think that the phone call that night plays a huge part in this.

    I also could accept the fact that she wanted to socialize, so sat on the front porch, but I still think that she had more of a reason to be sitting there for hours, and it wasn't just to socialize with neighbors.
    So in your theory, if I understand correctly, DB overdosed Lisa, Lisa died within a half hour, DB takes Lisa and places her dead body on the floor next to her bed, goes outside to socialize and gets drunk, comes back in, calls whoever to come help dispose of the body and then rushes home by 3:30 or whatever time JI got home. Leaves all the lights on and window open and front door unlocked.

    Is that it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    So in your theory, if I understand correctly, DB overdosed Lisa, Lisa died within a half hour, DB takes Lisa and places her dead body on the floor next to her bed, goes outside to socialize and gets drunk, comes back in, calls whoever to come help dispose of the body and then rushes home by 3:30 or whatever time JI got home. Leaves all the lights on and window open and front door unlocked.

    Is that it?
    Nope.... not even close. My theory is that DB either overdosed her or became angered in her standing in her crib and either shook her or threw her down hard in her crib, possibly breaking her neck or hitting her head.

    I think that either Lisa was taken into DB's bedroom and put on the floor by the bed, possibly under a bunched up blanket or quilt and then locked her bedroom door so the kids couldn't get in. Most master bedrooms lock...I wonder if theirs did? I don't think Lisa was taken out of DB's room until her other little boy came into the bedroom and fell asleep. By this time, DB had already arranged for help OR, simply taken care of it herself. I do believe that she had help, not sure exactly who it is, but I still could see her doing it herself. That river is deep, fast moving and muddy.

    But, the last part is pretty close. I think that she lost track of time being drunk (although I think she is a functioning drunk) and this is why the lights were all on. I think that she ran to her bed and pretended to be asleep when JI returned home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Nope.... not even close. My theory is that DB either overdosed her or became angered in her standing in her crib and either shook her or threw her down hard in her crib, possibly breaking her neck or hitting her head.

    I think that either Lisa was taken into DB's bedroom and put on the floor by the bed, possibly under a bunched up blanket or quilt and then locked her bedroom door so the kids couldn't get in. Most master bedrooms lock...I wonder if theirs did? I don't think Lisa was taken out of DB's room until her other little boy came into the bedroom and fell asleep. By this time, DB had already arranged for help OR, simply taken care of it herself. I do believe that she had help, not sure exactly who it is, but I still could see her doing it herself. That river is deep, fast moving and muddy.

    But, the last part is pretty close. I think that she lost track of time being drunk (although I think she is a functioning drunk) and this is why the lights were all on. I think that she ran to her bed and pretended to be asleep when JI returned home.
    This is how I think it went down too. I'm not so sure she had help, but I think it was all DB who did something to Lisa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Nope.... not even close. My theory is that DB either overdosed her or became angered in her standing in her crib and either shook her or threw her down hard in her crib, possibly breaking her neck or hitting her head.

    I think that either Lisa was taken into DB's bedroom and put on the floor by the bed, possibly under a bunched up blanket or quilt and then locked her bedroom door so the kids couldn't get in. Most master bedrooms lock...I wonder if theirs did? I don't think Lisa was taken out of DB's room until her other little boy came into the bedroom and fell asleep. By this time, DB had already arranged for help OR, simply taken care of it herself. I do believe that she had help, not sure exactly who it is, but I still could see her doing it herself. That river is deep, fast moving and muddy.

    But, the last part is pretty close. I think that she lost track of time being drunk (although I think she is a functioning drunk) and this is why the lights were all on. I think that she ran to her bed and pretended to be asleep when JI returned home.
    The only prob I have with that is Jeremy was supposed to be home around 10'ish. He never called DB to tell her he was gonna be late, so she would still assume he was gonna be home. One would assume DB would want to get rid of any body before that time frame. If she left the home after the neighbor did (at 10:30) she would risk Jeremy coming home any minute and her cover would be blown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Nope.... not even close. My theory is that DB either overdosed her or became angered in her standing in her crib and either shook her or threw her down hard in her crib, possibly breaking her neck or hitting her head.

    I think that either Lisa was taken into DB's bedroom and put on the floor by the bed, possibly under a bunched up blanket or quilt and then locked her bedroom door so the kids couldn't get in. Most master bedrooms lock...I wonder if theirs did? I don't think Lisa was taken out of DB's room until her other little boy came into the bedroom and fell asleep. By this time, DB had already arranged for help OR, simply taken care of it herself. I do believe that she had help, not sure exactly who it is, but I still could see her doing it herself. That river is deep, fast moving and muddy.

    But, the last part is pretty close. I think that she lost track of time being drunk (although I think she is a functioning drunk) and this is why the lights were all on. I think that she ran to her bed and pretended to be asleep when JI returned home.
    She was expecting JI MUCH earlier and since he hadn't called home to say he would be later, she would have been taking quite a chance no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Nope.... not even close. My theory is that DB either overdosed her or became angered in her standing in her crib and either shook her or threw her down hard in her crib, possibly breaking her neck or hitting her head.

    I think that either Lisa was taken into DB's bedroom and put on the floor by the bed, possibly under a bunched up blanket or quilt and then locked her bedroom door so the kids couldn't get in. Most master bedrooms lock...I wonder if theirs did? I don't think Lisa was taken out of DB's room until her other little boy came into the bedroom and fell asleep. By this time, DB had already arranged for help OR, simply taken care of it herself. I do believe that she had help, not sure exactly who it is, but I still could see her doing it herself. That river is deep, fast moving and muddy.

    But, the last part is pretty close. I think that she lost track of time being drunk (although I think she is a functioning drunk) and this is why the lights were all on. I think that she ran to her bed and pretended to be asleep when JI returned home.

    Your theory is IDENTICAL to mine. I thought I wrote this myself.. Kudos..
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    im guessing the weather on the night of oct 3rd wasnt cold? as DB and SB (and possibly PN) sat on the front porch.

    i have 2 small kids and if i wanted to have a few drinks with a friend (not getting totally smashed) on a fairly nice night i would sit in my back garden and the children could play in the yard and i know they would be safe from traffic etc i wonder why they decided to keep the boys and the neighbors daughter inside watching a movie,but i dont believe 3 children stayed in that room for 4hours no way in heck IMO the older one it would be possible but i think he would even get bored after 4hours and want to go explore and see where mommy is.

    now norest4thewicked that is a pretty good theory IMO i think the street i live on is similar to this one in the way of volumes of traffic,neighbors out and about and people walking by etc and i wouldn't be sitting on my front steps unless i was waiting on someone coming by or wanting to be seen.even if i'm just going outside for a quick smoke i always go to the back porch.

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