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    Quote Originally Posted by psychomarz View Post
    Speaking of these pictures.... which ones are actually Lisa's house? Because I've been to several different sites, and there seem to be pictures of two different (but similar) houses. The back deck I see them tearing up is not the one in these pictures, but this photo of the back porch is also one I see in reference to Lisa.
    Has anyone else noticed that?
    (so confused!)
    Those pictures are both Lisa's house. The back deck wasn't torn out of her house, that was another house in the 3800 block of N.Brighton. The house was demolished that day, also.

    http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/region_...y-vacant-house

    After arriving to the house at about 10:30 a.m. this morning, authorities set up a tripod around a well underneath a deck on the home in the 3800 block of North Brighton. Two investigators, sent down one at a time, rappelled into the well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meri View Post
    I must be the only one who didn't find that statement from her to be odd. I just don't. I took it as she was afraid that Baby Lisa may have been killed and left back there, or something along those lines.
    No Meri, you're not the only one. I took her to mean that she was just too frightened to go back there.
    In her situation I think I would have been too. Jeremy was there and I'm sure he looked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Ol Me View Post
    No Meri, you're not the only one. I took her to mean that she was just too frightened to go back there.
    In her situation I think I would have been too. Jeremy was there and I'm sure he looked.

    JMO and MOO ...

    BBM: IF -- IF Deb was "too frightened" to go back there and check for Lisa ... can you just imagine how frightened a helpless, 10 month old baby would feel to be back there all ALONE ?

    A "truly frantic parent" would be running around all over the home, the front and back yards, etc. not even considering, or thinking about their OWN SELF or "safety" IF -- IF their child was "kidnapped" ...

    JMO but this statement made by Deb really showed "selfishness" ... as well as HINK !

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    the statement about deb not going to the back yard to look b/c she was afraid of what she might find was made public the friday following the search... it was included in the affidavit for the search... i've not seen an actual date affixed to it yet... maybe it's in the search warrant itself? maybe nina knows more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadedgal View Post
    the statement about deb not going to the back yard to look b/c she was afraid of what she might find was made public the friday following the search... it was included in the affidavit for the search... i've not seen an actual date affixed to it yet... maybe it's in the search warrant itself? maybe nina knows more?
    No specific date attached to it. Page 5, paragraph 9:

    "Investigative interviews with the people involved revealed conflicting information for clear direction in the investigation. Bradley made the statement she did not initially look for her baby behind the house because she "was afraid of what she might find."

    http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/...winwarrant.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Ol Me View Post
    No Meri, you're not the only one. I took her to mean that she was just too frightened to go back there.
    In her situation I think I would have been too. Jeremy was there and I'm sure he looked.
    I wouldn't have been scared for myself. I would have been scared for my baby. And, because of this, I would have covered, and still be covering, every square inch of that home and area within 100 miles. I wouldn't be hiding in a house, hoping for this all to go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by askfornina View Post
    Those pictures are both Lisa's house. The back deck wasn't torn out of her house, that was another house in the 3800 block of N.Brighton. The house was demolished that day, also.

    http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/region_...y-vacant-house
    I think I also had one other picture confused--- the house with the well under the deck that they tore up. I'm still new to websleuths and dont know how to add pictures, so I did what I could with quotes


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    Quote Originally Posted by josie1986 View Post
    after all this time i've just realised....DB said they were watching a fairytale movie,what movie lasts 4hours and a kids one at that????? most kids movies are 90mins at the most and even if they stayed in the room watching the movie until it was finished what did they do for the other 2 1/2 hours? just sit quietly and twiddle their thumbs?
    My neighbours still have smallish kids (8 and 12) and I know when we are over there on weekends, her kids play video games while we adults are outside. However, they are constantly outside for SOMETHING ie asking for a drink, or a treat, or a hug, or a "oh I forgot to tell you something", or a "Can I" etc etc. As well the parents are constantly taking turns in and out of house to check on the kids.

    It does seem as though not much checking on the kids was going on from the reports although I am not sure how often they were checked on. It seems these kids were much younger than my neighbours kids and I could see how things could get quickly out of hand if noone was regularly checking on the kids. It certainly wouldn't be a safe idea to not check regularly. To me if it was not the other children's bedtimes then they should have been outside being monitored with the parents as they sound too young to NOT be monitored especially with a baby back there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    My neighbours still have smallish kids (8 and 12) and I know when we are over there on weekends, her kids play video games while we adults are outside. However, they are constantly outside for SOMETHING ie asking for a drink, or a treat, or a hug, or a "oh I forgot to tell you something", or a "Can I" etc etc. As well the parents are constantly taking turns in and out of house to check on the kids.

    It does seem as though not much checking on the kids was going on from the reports although I am not sure how often they were checked on. It seems these kids were much younger than my neighbours kids and I could see how things could get quickly out of hand if noone was regularly checking on the kids. It certainly wouldn't be a safe idea to not check regularly. To me if it was not the other children's bedtimes then they should have been outside being monitored with the parents as they sound too young to NOT be monitored especially with a baby back there.
    I agree. I have 2 kids; 5 yrs old and 10 months old. There is no way I could sit outside my house for more than 5 minutes without someone needing something. There is also no way I could put a sick baby in bed at 6 something and go outside without a baby monitor. I have found with both girls, when they are sick they want to be held and loved, not alone in a bed. But I guess all kids (and parents) are different. Could be that everyone in the Bradly/Irwin house is use to fending for themselves once mommy starts her "adult time".


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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    Actually we do. Shane told LE it was evident both women had been drinking even though he didn't witness them drink.
    I brought this over to this thread because it seems to be more appropriate. I'm not sure what Shane told LE but we do know what he told CNN's Jim Spellman.
    So he goes over sometimes around roughly 8pm and stays for about an hour and a half. They all smoke. He says he wasn't drinking and though he didn't see the ladies actually pouring booze into their cups he said he could tell they were drinking...having fun, a little loud.
    So while he didn't see them pour alcohol into their cups, he knew that they were drinking. His comments are interesting in the fact that while he was there for an hour and a half, he didn't see them pour anything. So either they had really big cups or they didn't drink much in that hour and a half. Or maybe he wasn't paying attention when they did pour. Hard to say.

    If you put Shane's description of what DB and SB were doing on the porch along with the surveillance video of DB buying alcohol plus DB's own admission, you end up with some strong circumstantial evidence that DB was drinking that night. How intoxicated she was is impossible to tell, but it appears to me that the drinking she did may have a bearing on this case.

    It could be a factor in why the front door was left unlocked. It could also help explain how someone could have come into the house and taken Lisa without DB hearing it. MOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    I brought this over to this thread because it seems to be more appropriate. I'm not sure what Shane told LE but we do know what he told CNN's Jim Spellman.

    So while he didn't see them pour alcohol into their cups, he knew that they were drinking. His comments are interesting in the fact that while he was there for an hour and a half, he didn't see them pour anything. So either they had really big cups or they didn't drink much in that hour and a half. Or maybe he wasn't paying attention when they did pour. Hard to say.

    If you put Shane's description of what DB and SB were doing on the porch along with the surveillance video of DB buying alcohol plus DB's own admission, you end up with some strong circumstantial evidence that DB was drinking that night. How intoxicated she was is impossible to tell, but it appears to me that the drinking she did may have a bearing on this case.

    It could be a factor in why the front door was left unlocked. It could also help explain how someone could have come into the house and taken Lisa without DB hearing it. MOO.

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    It also shows that she is a very selfish & negligent parent, leaving an ill infant alone for hours while she indulged in alcohol. MOO


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    Quote Originally Posted by KsStormy View Post
    It also shows that she is a very selfish & negligent parent, leaving an ill infant alone for hours while she indulged in alcohol. MOO
    I'm not sure there are a lot of people that would disagree with you. Selfish & negligent doesn't equal to murder IMO though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I'm not sure there are a lot of people that would disagree with you. Selfish & negligent doesn't equal to murder IMO though.
    True, but the effects of alcohol on behavior are well known. I have seen her temper displayed on TV interviews, and Jeremy's as well. They are both known to abuse alcohol, so anything is possible, in my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KsStormy View Post
    True, but the effects of alcohol on behavior are well known. I have seen her temper displayed on TV interviews, and Jeremy's as well. They are both known to abuse alcohol, so anything is possible, in my opinion.
    Where is the evidence that Jeremy abuses alcohol? I understand your suspicions about Deb considering she freely admits she enjoys her wine and the night Lisa disappeared she admits she was drunk, but I have never seen anything that suggests Jeremy has a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I'm not sure there are a lot of people that would disagree with you. Selfish & negligent doesn't equal to murder IMO though.

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