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    PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #7

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    This article includes RG's nephew in a video reenactment.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/ray-gric...ared-dead.html

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    This has brought a whole new dimension to Ray's case. It is obvious some at PS would go to any lengths to protect their coaches. As sickening as they all are, if they could sleep at night knowing children were being raped, then they are capable of anything.

    Ray's computers were destroyed in water. Why? Was there something incriminating on them about the evil that was going on.

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    Rays computer

    A football fanatic at my office today, who hasn't followed the case of Gricar at all until the last couple of days, asked me, why was the computer and subsequently the hard drive found where it was?
    --If Ray comitted suicideand he wanted the hard drive erased..he couldn't be sure his toss in the water was successful. Why not dispose of it elsewhere?
    --If he was killed, wouldn't the murderer want to look at the computer? And how would he know the files weren't copies off somewhere. Then dispose of it elsewhere.
    --If Ray decided to disappear, it's obvious the car would be found...how could he be sure the toss in the water, would make the data on the hard drive irretrievable.....

    I didn't have an answer....thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justathought View Post
    A football fanatic at my office today, who hasn't followed the case of Gricar at all until the last couple of days, asked me, why was the computer and subsequently the hard drive found where it was?
    --If Ray comitted suicideand he wanted the hard drive erased..he couldn't be sure his toss in the water was successful. Why not dispose of it elsewhere?
    --If he was killed, wouldn't the murderer want to look at the computer? And how would he know the files weren't copies off somewhere. Then dispose of it elsewhere.
    --If Ray decided to disappear, it's obvious the car would be found...how could he be sure the toss in the water, would make the data on the hard drive irretrievable.....

    I didn't have an answer....thoughts?
    Maybe s/he did look at the computer first.

    According to RG's asst, he didn't allow anyone to help with the investigation. If I were being secretive, i wouldnt allow copies of files to proliferate.
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    a Bellefonte police detective released information that indicates Gricar used his home computer to search the Internet for information on “how to wreck a hard drive” and “water damage to a notebook computer”.



    since it appears Gricar was trying to destroy information that other people could find on his hard drive. Buehner says the case remains a great mystery and he believes Gricar was murdered


    http://www.wqkx.com/1070_WKOK/NEWS_ARCHIVES/041509.htm


    This is one of the articles on how he researched destroying the computer.

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    First, I should note that RFG (Mr. Gricar) did not have the laptop in 1998.

    Quote Originally Posted by justathought View Post
    A football fanatic at my office today, who hasn't followed the case of Gricar at all until the last couple of days, asked me, why was the computer and subsequently the hard drive found where it was?
    --If Ray comitted suicideand he wanted the hard drive erased..he couldn't be sure his toss in the water was successful. Why not dispose of it elsewhere?
    --If he was killed, wouldn't the murderer want to look at the computer? And how would he know the files weren't copies off somewhere. Then dispose of it elsewhere.
    --If Ray decided to disappear, it's obvious the car would be found...how could he be sure the toss in the water, would make the data on the hard drive irretrievable.....

    I didn't have an answer....thoughts?
    Second, RFG had ask around about how to destroy the hard drive and had purchased erasure software. The Bellefonte police chief thought that RFG had first erased the drive, though I don't know if analysis determined that.

    Because RFG had both a home computer (where he did the computer searches), no murderer could have known if there were additional copies of data.

    The drive was tossed prior to the laptop going into the river.

    Some site photos are here: https://picasaweb.google.com/LookingforRay I think the description will probably answer your questions.


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    Normally I wouldn't put too much stock in a rumor such as the "rich donors" story that is making the rounds on the internet http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1086099.html

    But, it is concerning that the "rich donors" story was reported by the same sports writer who had the Sandusky story nailed way back in April
    http://www.timesonline.com/columnist...a4bcf6878.html

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    I still think he left on his own. Even with all the hoopla going on right now, I still think he planned his exit - and had been planning it for quite some time, at least as far back as announcing that he was not running for re-election in 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    First, I should note that RFG (Mr. Gricar) did not have the laptop in 1998.



    Second, RFG had ask around about how to destroy the hard drive and had purchased erasure software. The Bellefonte police chief thought that RFG had first erased the drive, though I don't know if analysis determined that.

    Because RFG had both a home computer (where he did the computer searches), no murderer could have known if there were additional copies of data.

    The drive was tossed prior to the laptop going into the river.

    Some site photos are here: https://picasaweb.google.com/LookingforRay I think the description will probably answer your questions.

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    lap top

    So, J. J. you think Ray tossed the drive and then the computer in. How does one know the drive went in first?
    I know he didn't have it 1998...but he could have transferred his 1998 notes to it or even created them, or had new information.
    Now, I'm thinking someone else tossed it....maybe even at a later date from the disappearance to add credence to the "he drowned in the river/suicide theory. "

    Has Patty Fornicola commented on any of this? She is another one I'm wondering what did she know and if she did when did she know it. It has just always seemed strange to me for one adult to report another adult missing after 12 hours....something drove that.

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    Thanks, I missed the other thread so I appreciate you bringing them over.

    I sure hope there is nothing to the donor story but, if there is, it would definitely introduce a new potential angle with individuals powerful and wealthy enough to make Mr. Gricar disappear permanently or scare him into disappearing voluntarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justathought View Post
    So, J. J. you think Ray tossed the drive and then the computer in. How does one know the drive went in first?
    I know he didn't have it 1998...but he could have transferred his 1998 notes to it or even created them, or had new information.
    Now, I'm thinking someone else tossed it....maybe even at a later date from the disappearance to add credence to the "he drowned in the river/suicide theory. "
    I never said who, just that the drive went in first. I think RFG tossed the drive, but I'm not sure about the laptop itself. That is actually one of the reasons I think murder is possible.

    Has Patty Fornicola commented on any of this? She is another one I'm wondering what did she know and if she did when did she know it. It has just always seemed strange to me for one adult to report another adult missing after 12 hours....something drove that.
    No, and I suspect she won't.

    She, like everyone else was thinking accident. RFG was known to be an "adventurous" driver. He was once pulled over for driving 90 on a back road.

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    <<From arielilane:
    I'm going to stick to my initial opinion; even with the latest groundbreaking news and that is that RG left on his on his accord with a sizable savings. Since the "news" broke it is evident to me that there were too many people that knew about the child molestation at PS, that would have to be killed. So why kill RG? He wasn't prosecuting.

    May be he was tired of his life and that was the final straw. As such, not being about to prosecute a case that he wanted to might have sent him... literally packing. jmo>>

    Recent events push me more into the foul play camp...(maybe 60% vs. 40% for walkaway, whereas a week ago, I would have said the reverse.) Yes, he did not prosecute the 1998 crime, but I agree with Tony Gricar and Ray's associate that the reason was likely evidence based rather than Ray being involved in a conspiracy to cover up this crime. Ray was cautious and careful....possibly over cautious regarding 1998 charges. I don't like that the first crime didn't go to trial, but I'm not willing to put Ray in the same camp as the Penn State athletic officials with what we know now.

    The 1998 case was not dismissed with prejudice...That case could be reopened up to the statute of limitations of 2005 for that crime.

    There was a 2002 crime. It strains at credibility that rumors wouldn't be out there in the Penn State community regarding the 2002 event, given that there was a witness who reported it to others....people talk. I feel strongly that if Ray had gotten wind of the 2002 crime, he would have been investigating Sandusky a second time....He could have been investigating the whole athletic department for all we know or Sandusky's charity or its wealthy donors.

    Murder for hire is not that far of a stretch given what we know now about the extent of the conspiracy. Murder for hire would explain the dumped computer in the river planted to make it look like a suicide. The computer searches for hard disk destruction could also have been planted.

    Ray walking away does not explain the laptop in the river...he would not have wanted his precious daughter to think he had jumped from the bridge...The laptop could have gone with him and disposed elsewhere (privately). Given where the car was left the river search was predictable.

    The only one gaining from the suicide suspicion is someone who did away with Ray and wanted to make it look like something else.

    Could the conflict of interest of Ray's successor be related to some connection to Penn State (and said prosecutor wanting to make sure Ray's disappearance was investigated independently of this Sandusky mess)?

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