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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    Did Tony Gricar STEER the early investigation to the river because of his own angst over his dad?
    WHY was LE so short- sighted as to search the river, even with sniffer dogs, FGS!!, and not search the woods?
    Yes, I know, they thought " suicide" but why not a simultaneous land and river search? He was not a homeless vagabond, he was their DA!!!!

    This makes me so angry, but not " Patti angry".
    I would not use the word "steer." He remembered his father's suicide and thought suicide. His brother was riding with him, and thought the exact same thing. That is a normal reaction.

    I have a family history of cancer. Every time I discover something that could be cancer, like a small lump, my first reaction is cancer. I don't fear it; I just expect it. I can understand why Tony would react the way he did. For 5-6 months after RFG disappeared, I kept expecting someone to fish his body out of the Susquehanna.

    As far I know, LE never searched the area across the river; I hope I'm wrong. It is probably because of Roy Gricar's suicide method.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    Couldn't find a thing about RG from the news site. Could you link to the ARTICLE? Thanks in advance.
    All I can do is copy and paste...it is long !!! (Me italicized).

    aaArticle rank 30 Nov 2011 The Daily Item (Sunbury, PA)By Rick Dandes The Daily Item Witness: Missing DA with blonde ZoomBookmarkSharePrintListenTranslate“I never told police about it ... I looked and saw a man, and a woman with blond hair. I remember thinking about her, ‘Wow, big hair.’” — Ivy Butterworth, Milton resident

    LEWISBURG — It took six years and the presence of Dateline NBC in Lewisburg on Tuesday before a Milton woman revealed that she had seen a young blonde with Ray Gricar the day he disappeared near the Street of Shops.

    A Dateline NBC crew filmed inside the antiques mall, outside of which the former Centre County district attorney disappeared April 15, 2005. The segment producer would not confirm whether renewed interest in Gricar’s disappearance was associated with the DA’S early investigation into the Penn State child abuse scandal.

    Ivy Butterworth was having lunch at the Street of Shops — where her daughter works — when business owner Craig Bennett told her about the Dateline NBC crew.

    “Oh, I saw Gricar the day he disappeared,” she told Bennett, then walked over to the NBC producers. Butterworth, of Milton, said she saw a man she believed to be Gricar the day he disappeared in a car with a young blonde.

    “I never told police about it,” she told Dateline NBC and The Daily Item. “But it was his car and later on I saw of photo of Gricar and I am convinced it was him.”

    Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., a friend of Gricar’s, confirmed Tuesday night that police interviews with witnesses revealed the DA had been seen inside the Street of Shops with a blonde, whom Gricar appeared to know.

    Buehner, who was also interviewed this month about Gricar’s disappearance by Lester Holt of Dateline NBC, said he did not know who the blonde might be.

    Minutes after Butterworth approached the news crew, Dateline NBC producers interviewed her on camera, a portion of which might be aired.

    Butterworth was jogging on April 15, 2005, when she saw a parked Mini-cooper.

    “I love cars and at the time there weren’t many Mini-coopers in the area,” she said. “I thought it was a cute car. So I looked and saw a man, and a woman with blond hair. I remember thinking about her, ‘Wow, big hair.’ And I didn’t think more about it. I remember later on all the questions came up ... was Gricar with a woman, or not with a woman?

    “I knew the man I saw was Gricar. The abandoned car was the car that I saw and there was definitely a woman in the car. I never said anything to anybody because, well, what’s the point? I mean, the guy was never found. If he wants to run off and go to Mexico or wherever with his girlfriend and he’s got the money to do it, hey, I wish it was me.”

    As Butterworth told her story, the Dateline NBC camera was running.

    “(The Dateline interviewer) asked me again, ‘Why didn’t you say anything at the time?’ And I said, ‘It wouldn’t have changed anything,’” she said. “It wouldn’t have helped or hindered their investigation in any way, I thought. He was still going. In my personal opinion this was all very well thought out, very well planned, and he’s living a happy life somewhere.”

    Segment producer Jay Young would not say when the piece would air. He was also secretive in explaining how the Lewisburg part of the story would be portrayed.
    Gricar first investigated 1998 allegations of sexual misconduct by Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, whom he opted not to prosecute.

    When the full-scale scandal came to light in early November, media outlets began to speculate on a connection between the early Sandusky investigation and Gricar’s disappearance.

    Tuesday was not the first time Dateline NBC had been in Lewisburg, Bennett said. “They were here last week,” he said. Bennett said he was informed that Dateline NBC was working on the project and would be taping scenes outside and inside the Street of Shops.

    “Last week,” he said, “they taped location shots of the area behind the building leading down to the Susquehanna River. This week, I didn’t know they were coming until about noon time, when they called me and asked for permission to tape indoors.”

    Off camera, Bennett said, “We talked about a lot of theories. I said that every year about April 15, when Gricar disappeared, the amateur sleuths come out. ”

    The TV crew stayed inside the Street of Shops until just after 2 p.m.

    While Dateline NBC was working on some kind of Gricar story, Bennett said, “Beyond that, I don’t know if they were trying to connect the dots between the Gricar disappearance and the Jerry Sandusky case.”

    Jessica Tornez, a cashier at the Street of Shops, said the Dateline NBC crew didn’t talk much with area residents.

    “They seemed to be more interested in getting a sense of place, where Gricar might have been before he disappeared,” Tornez said. “They didn’t really ask for many opinions. They seemed to have a story in mind and were just getting some location shots. That’s the vibe I got. It was more scenery than anything.”

    People started giving the Dateline NBC team their opinions about Gricar’s disappearance.

    Young would not comment whether Dateline NBC’S was investigating a connection between Gricar’s disappearance and the Sandusky case.

    He said that he could not say anything pending his New York supervisors’ approval of an interview with The Daily Item.

    He also would not say who would be the voice-over host of the segment. “It’s yet to be decided,” he said. Although he provided a cell phone number to call for additional information, frequent attempts to reach Young on Tuesday night were unsuccessful.

    During the fall Dateline NBC airs at 10 p.m. Fridays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    OK, so you are saying that he was pressing them hard enough to tick them off? As in, they had full case loads already and he was all of a sudden handing them all his cases?
    No, but he tended to get in that type of mood when he was working hard. JKA said it more than that.

    J.J., if this doesn't say " planned walkaway", I don't know what does!!! ( They make it perfectly clear that he was not ill).
    Or he planned to take some time off, like a long weekend, or he expected something big to come along that he'd have to devote more time to. [/Devil's Advocate]


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    Need some Clarifications please

    1) Was the case considered to be a criminal case from the beginning?
    2) Is this why, as far as we know, there have been NO volunteer searches?
    3) Ditto a PI coming in, or a fantastic ground search team like TES.

    4) What effect did having RG declared legally dead have on the already cold investigation?

    5) What are the ODDS that LE knows that Ray is alive and well but cannot say so?

    6) How is it that a man declared legally dead, who was a respected man in both Ohio and PA gets NO memorial service???

    I don't know which of these questions bothers me most. I feel sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    No, but he tended to get in that type of mood when he was working hard. JKA said it more than that.



    Or he planned to take some time off, like a long weekend, or he expected something big to come along that he'd have to devote more time to. [/Devil's Advocate]
    J.J., gonna nickname you " DA" for Devil's Advocate.
    Yes, just read and re-read your blog post because it raised so many questions.. Behavioral psychs. like me believe that ALL behavior has meaning.. Probably the most chilling thing was him turning away from a JUDGE, looking at a bookcase, and stating that he would not be present in October...

    I do not buy, not for one second, the idea that he planned to take time off DURING A DEATH CASE because it was his birthday. If I have read once that he prosecuted this most serious of all cases, I've read it 25 times or more.

    And what were the " Specal Circumstances" that allowed Lara to petition and for the court to declare RG dead before 7 years? From everything I've read, it's 7 years OR " special circumstances which definitely point to but do not prove death".
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    Gee, I hope he found a pretty blonde and left with her!!

    THANK YOU, Lord C.
    I don't know why the article didn't show up in my version of the site, but it didn't.

    So LE has known about this woman and has sat on this info too.

    I just have to wonder now what all they know and won't say and WHY?

    He WAS a DA, but he isn't now, he is legally dead, and they really look STUPID with their scent dogs perched on the front of boats.. LE needs to tell the public more of what they know.

    Maybe Dateline will break the case wide open!!! That will show LE!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    All I can do is copy and paste...it is long !!! (Me italicized).

    aaArticle rank 30 Nov 2011 The Daily Item (Sunbury, PA)By Rick Dandes The Daily Item Witness: Missing DA with blonde ZoomBookmarkSharePrintListenTranslate“I never told police about it ... I looked and saw a man, and a woman with blond hair. I remember thinking about her, ‘Wow, big hair.’” — Ivy Butterworth, Milton resident


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    My beret is tipped to you, your Lordship!

    I can't find it, however.

    Mystery Woman, in the Mini. WOW!

    I can't confirm it yet, however.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    My beret is tipped to you, your Lordship!

    I can't find it, however.

    Mystery Woman, in the Mini. WOW!

    I can't confirm it yet, however.
    Coming from you, JJ, that tip of the Beret is huge !!! For confirmation, do a Google on the Daily Item of Sunbury, reference date 11-30-2011, the front page will appear on PressDisplay.com, then bang, right on front page. The whole enchilada !!! Let me know, ok ? Titled: Witness: Missing DA with blonde

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    THANK YOU, Lord C.
    I don't know why the article didn't show up in my version of the site, but it didn't.

    So LE has known about this woman and has sat on this info too.

    I just have to wonder now what all they know and won't say and WHY?

    He WAS a DA, but he isn't now, he is legally dead, and they really look STUPID with their scent dogs perched on the front of boats.. LE needs to tell the public more of what they know.

    Maybe Dateline will break the case wide open!!! That will show LE!!
    Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you over there...was busy getting that article Up Here...lol...and U n JJ now, both being DA's !!! LMAO !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post

    Coming from you, JJ, that tip of the Beret is huge !!! For confirmation, do a Google on the Daily Item of Sunbury, reference date 11-30-2011, the front page will appear on PressDisplay.com, then bang, right on front page. The whole enchilada !!! Let me know, ok ? Titled: Witness: Missing DA with blonde
    I'd have to subcribe. That might be out on Dateline.

    The time of the sighting would be important.

    BB might be confused. The report of the woman in SoS said she had dark hair. There were three other red Mini's in the area as well. My understanding is LE had to factor those out as well. [/Devil's Advocate]

    It has the potential to be gigantic, however.


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    The Blonde checked out the Mini

    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I'd have to subcribe. That might be out on Dateline.

    The time of the sighting would be important.

    BB might be confused. The report of the woman in SoS said she had dark hair. There were three other red Mini's in the area as well. My understanding is LE had to factor those out as well. [/Devil's Advocate]

    It has the potential to be gigantic, however.
    I was able to get right to the article, no subscription. Did you get to it through PressDisplay ? Yes, this all went down just days ago, and I am surprised more of this has not come out yet. Your comment of cigarette smoke in the mini to cover up perfume may prove to be just right !!! In any regard, this will be something to watch for. I had heard of the 'other Mini's' before, however, the young blonde contact is Way Up There, moreso than the alleged dark haired LMW at the SOS. Let's see what plays out...hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    1) Was the case considered to be a criminal case from the beginning?
    It is a missing persons case.

    2) Is this why, as far as we know, there have been NO volunteer searches?
    They did have organized volunteer searches, and the were private individuals looking around.

    3) Ditto a PI coming in, or a fantastic ground search team like TES.
    The family will not hire one. They can be expensive.

    4) What effect did having RG declared legally dead have on the already cold investigation?
    None. Even the lawyers said, if found, the heirs would have to return the money. On the AG's chart of the Sandusky case, RFG is listed as "Missing since 2005."

    5) What are the ODDS that LE knows that Ray is alive and well but cannot say so?
    Unknown. There might be some legacy protection, but after Sandusky, there isn't much left to protect.

    6) How is it that a man declared legally dead, who was a respected man in both Ohio and PA gets NO memorial service???
    Family decision.

    Having buried my father a few years ago, I can understand some of their emotions, so I won't be critical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    I was able to get right to the article, no subscription. Did you get to it through PressDisplay ? Yes, this all went down just days ago, and I am surprised more of this has not come out yet. Your comment of cigarette smoke in the mini to cover up perfume may prove to be just right !!! In any regard, this will be something to watch for. I had heard of the 'other Mini's' before, however, the young blonde contact is Way Up There, moreso than the alleged dark haired LMW at the SOS. Let's see what plays out...hehe
    It wasn't my remark; it was Jana's.

    I still can't get it, but that is okay. I'd be interested in the time of the sighting. If it was 11:30 AM, for example, it probably wasn't RFG. If it was after 5:30 PM, we might have something.

    If one of the other Mini's was in the parking lot, and the driver was accompanied by a blond, we can rule it out.

    BTW: This is how a message board should work, building off each others ideas and critically analyzing them.


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    Smile The Blonde checked out the Mini

    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    It wasn't my remark; it was Jana's.

    I still can't get it, but that is okay. I'd be interested in the time of the sighting. If it was 11:30 AM, for example, it probably wasn't RFG. If it was after 5:30 PM, we might have something.

    If one of the other Mini's was in the parking lot, and the driver was accompanied by a blond, we can rule it out.

    BTW: This is how a message board should work, building off each others ideas and critically analyzing them.
    Good BTW comment ! A thought I had : this witness woman just comes out of the woodwork...just how many others are there ? She didn't even go to LE over this, just right up to the media. I guess we'll see what goes down here. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    Yes, just read and re-read your blog post because it raised so many questions.. Behavioral psychs. like me believe that ALL behavior has meaning.. Probably the most chilling thing was him turning away from a JUDGE, looking at a bookcase, and stating that he would not be present in October...

    I do not buy, not for one second, the idea that he planned to take time off DURING A DEATH CASE because it was his birthday. If I have read once that he prosecuted this most serious of all cases, I've read it 25 times or more.
    RFG was sort of like that. He was looking at retirement and was passing out cases. It is not too unusual that he would not schedule something for that time, from what I understand.

    And what were the " Specal Circumstances" that allowed Lara to petition and for the court to declare RG dead before 7 years? From everything I've read, it's 7 years OR " special circumstances which definitely point to but do not prove death".
    The way the statute is worded, you don't need special circumstances. Blog on it is here, and the links should take you to the PA statutes: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/02/1...e-legally.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    Good BTW comment ! A thought I had : this witness woman just comes out of the woodwork...just how many others are there ? She didn't even go to LE over this, just right up to the media. I guess we'll see what goes down here. Thanks.
    Some were not reported and I've never claimed my witness list was complete.


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    Thanks JJ/DA. LC

    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    It wasn't my remark; it was Jana's.

    I still can't get it, but that is okay. I'd be interested in the time of the sighting. If it was 11:30 AM, for example, it probably wasn't RFG. If it was after 5:30 PM, we might have something.

    If one of the other Mini's was in the parking lot, and the driver was accompanied by a blond, we can rule it out.

    BTW: This is how a message board should work, building off each others ideas and critically analyzing them.
    For YEARS, I posted on this case and people ( who are no longer on WS for very good reasons) shot down my ideas.. I stopped posting for a long time.

    Then, I stopped coming to WS for about 2 years.. My dad died, too, and I just couldn't deal with my empathetic feelings for others in pain on my " off time",
    Selfish, I know.. but it's not like I am going to solve this case....

    I have to say how very very happy I am that today I found out new evidence is probably very positive for Ray!!! A pretty young blonde with Ray Gricar makes me the happiest of all possible scenarios.
    IF there is any Karmic justice, then the two of them did leave together and are happy somewhere. This man has done so much for so many in his lifetime, and left everything he had to his daughter/ PFo.

    If he left with a pretty young blonde, then I don't think he was cruel or selfish, I think it was possibly the best thing he ever did for himself. Lord knows, that picture of PFo and BG at the press conference has haunted me. RG deserves pretty & blonde & young..

    I'm so glad we are sharing ideas and thoughts... and having a respectful good time with what otherwise becomes oppressive very quickly.

    J.J., thank you for clarifying that there were volunteer searches early on. Since I live so far away, this part was not widely reported nationally, and over time, has been lost.

    Do you think there's any chance that we, as a group, can get a good PI interested in taking this case pro bono? It's high profile, it has all the elements of putting a PI in the national spotlight. The possibility of a pretty blonde in the case just might tip the scales now, you think??
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    Jana n JJ da DA's/Blonde Seen In the Mini

    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    For YEARS, I posted on this case and people ( who are no longer on WS for very good reasons) shot down my ideas.. I stopped posting for a long time.

    Then, I stopped coming to WS for about 2 years.. My dad died, too, and I just couldn't deal with my empathetic feelings for others in pain on my " off time",
    Selfish, I know.. but it's not like I am going to solve this case....

    I have to say how very very happy I am that today I found out new evidence is probably very positive for Ray!!! A pretty young blonde with Ray Gricar makes me the happiest of all possible scenarios.
    IF there is any Karmic justice, then the two of them did leave together and are happy somewhere. This man has done so much for so many in his lifetime, and left everything he had to his daughter/ PFo.

    If he left with a pretty young blonde, then I don't think he was cruel or selfish, I think it was possibly the best thing he ever did for himself. Lord knows, that picture of PFo and BG at the press conference has haunted me. RG deserves pretty & blonde & young..

    I'm so glad we are sharing ideas and thoughts... and having a respectful good time with what otherwise becomes oppressive very quickly.

    J.J., thank you for clarifying that there were volunteer searches early on. Since I live so far away, this part was not widely reported nationally, and over time, has been lost.

    Do you think there's any chance that we, as a group, can get a good PI interested in taking this case pro bono? It's high profile, it has all the elements of putting a PI in the national spotlight. The possibility of a pretty blonde in the case just might tip the scales now, you think??
    Great idea, Jana...lets just hope some of this brings the story to the point MORE will be revealed by LE. I found the article interesting also, in that the Media seems to have some 'inside' info as this filming was going on...had to get 'approval' from higher ups, etc, etc, etc. There is more behind this story. High five to you !!!

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    Being Devil's Advocate again, let's not get too excited.

    A. This might not have been RFG.

    B. The blond might end up being involved in an act of foul play against RFG.

    I'm not happy about it, but please, while this is potentially good news, it might not end up being good news.

    Note to self: Don't get too excited.


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    No ^^5s to you, LC, and DA over there :)

    First, I don't think Ray's case would have stayed in the public eye or the facts known except for JJ's participation. ( JJ- hope you have found your " home" here on WS vs. " those other sites").

    And LC, if we were discussing these things face to face, I would hug you!
    I do searches on " Ray Gricar" every day of my life and I missed what you found!!!

    Thank you both!!!

    JJ, how do you feel about a PI? I think we can get someone to rock this case if you are behind the idea too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Being Devil's Advocate again, let's not get too excited.

    A. This might not have been RFG.

    B. The blond might end up being involved in an act of foul play against RFG.

    I'm not happy about it, but please, while this is potentially good news, it might not end up being good news.

    Note to self: Don't get too excited.
    Very well put. Just that nothing, as you would well know, after all this time...has come to the surface in all these years. How do you think I felt when I googled that out...Major Chills, to say the least. Just the fact that it IS something new, and may help break this deadlock of a 'Seance'. I feel there is something really big behind all this, so will do my best to remain calm and watchful.

    Would like to see a positive outcome here, but I am with you on the possibility that it may not as well. To say the least, we've had a moving evening here !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    First, I don't think Ray's case would have stayed in the public eye or the facts known except for JJ's participation. ( JJ- hope you have found your " home" here on WS vs. " those other sites").

    And LC, if we were discussing these things face to face, I would hug you!
    I do searches on " Ray Gricar" every day of my life and I missed what you found!!!

    Thank you both!!!

    JJ, how do you feel about a PI? I think we can get someone to rock this case if you are behind the idea too.
    Jana my Dear...thanks for the accolades...I had chills when I came across it, and sweating bullets, may I add ... lol ! I feel like we're all here at this very moment...I can 'feel' you ! Ah, the wonder of it all ! Your passion is contagious, and always love your input. For all of us on WS, I hope we can bear witness to a major break in this case, and we shared a special moment tonite with each other. Very compelling.

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    JJDA, my rebuttal ( for now) :)

    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Being Devil's Advocate again, let's not get too excited.

    A. This might not have been RFG.

    B. The blond might end up being involved in an act of foul play against RFG.

    I'm not happy about it, but please, while this is potentially good news, it might not end up being good news.

    Note to self: Don't get too excited.
    Although I'm not a "profiler", in a way, I am. What clients ( and people in general) say is not nearly as important to me as what is left unsaid most of the time, or the importance of body language. Over time when dealing with a client, I start to see patterns emerge.. to the point that I can often anticipate what they will say and how they will react next.. And what problems they are probably going to bring to me next. That's pretty much profiling..
    Same thing here on WS. When people were saying C. Anthony would get the death penalty, I had serious doubts about a guilty verdict.. But with sentiment running so high, I didn't see that posting my doubts would help anyone, especially not me. I have very strong theories which do not fit " the popular theory" about a few other cases.. Since justice is not mine to decide, I keep my opinions to myself because there's no point in arguing. I hate contention.

    So, over a period of years, I have come to believe certain things about Ray Gricar based upon my experience, and I have come to question certain other patterns he seems to have had in his personal life.

    ONE of the main " WTF" moments for me was the first time, just a couple of months ago, when I saw PFo and BG's joint photo at an early press conference and instinctively knew that BG was not PFo's mother or sister..but the woman RG was married to for a long time.

    I'm just going to come out and say it. I'm sure both women are smart, well- educated. I know they have had productive careers, etc.I am not judging this at all.
    BUT, physically they almost look androgynous. Like boys.
    I have always, always thought that RG surely wanted a beautiful, enticing, exciting girlfriend in a serious relationship instead of a plain Jane.
    This is a man who chose a slightly nerdy but somewhat trendy red sports car and loved to drive fast. ( I can so identify with the driving a convertible fast. I do the same in my BMWs and before that, in my Sebring, and before that in my.. you get the idea). So, the car and statements about his driving joys let me know that he IS a bit of a risk taker, a bit of an adrenaline junkie, and that appearances DO matter to him...

    I choose to think the young blond woman was someone Ray knew very well, and had fallen in love with.

    JJ, I guess now is a good time to refresh my " Finding love with the person of one's dreams on the Internet" theory. I KNOW it happens. I know it can be a very strong personal relationship before the two people meet in person. Maybe RG met her on the Internet ( and I don't mean some sex site either) or maybe he knew her in his daily life.. We don't know yet.

    BTW, not sure if any of you have experienced being committed to and living with one person and loving someone new and exciting, but the emotional roller coaster will definitely cause changes in attitude, and maybe-- changes in latitude.

    Edited to add: I don't have the gut feeling that she was a lure to his death. That would imply that Ray Gricar could not spot a sociopath. I believe he would see right through an insincere person. I don't think she was from PA, nor that she lived in his area. Again, just a got feeling.. It's all good vibes for now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    JJ, how do you feel about a PI? I think we can get someone to rock this case if you are behind the idea too.
    The family spokesman said, prior to the declaration of death, that if some PI would volunteer his services, they'd be interested. I doubt if anyone would volunteer.

    At this point, there has been no suggestion of one being hired.

    I did have one comment on a blog earlier this year.

    As far as I'm concerned, it would be great.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    The family spokesman said, prior to the declaration of death, that if some PI would volunteer his services, they'd be interested. I doubt if anyone would volunteer.

    At this point, there has been no suggestion of one being hired.

    I did have one comment on a blog earlier this year.

    As far as I'm concerned, it would be great.
    I believe our blog has a Google 'hit' as to the Post. Our traffic may be Up a tad ... lol ... not to the liking of the "Other" community ... may have to give a lookie see over There...hehe. I'm all for the PI idea !!!

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