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    Here is a photo: http://media.centredaily.com/smedia/...filiate.42.jpg

    I you don't know, LG is in the center, PEF is on her right. Who would you say that is on her left (the rightmost woman on the photo)?


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Here is a photo: http://media.centredaily.com/smedia/...filiate.42.jpg

    I you don't know, LG is in the center, PEF is on her right. Who would you say that is on her left (the rightmost woman on the photo)?
    Now would that be RFG's ex-wife, also LG's mother? From accounts I had read, she, too, had come forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cj327 View Post
    JJ- I read your LMW theory and I was wondering if you had any additional thoughts regarding the reported sighting of RFG and PEF in a park having something like a serious conversation the night before he disappeared. This is one thing that suggests that there was something going on between them that we don't know about (I would guess she did tell police though).
    It's not a theory; it is what people said was happening. I'm just repeating it.

    According to the account, former commissioner Vicki Wedler, I think, they were just walking. VW said that they looked like "a perfect couple" or something like that. PEF thought the comment was personal and frowned or something; RFG smiled and/or nodded.

    They were just walking, not discussing anything.

    VW and RFG had some political disagreements when she was commissioner. It is possible that this could have shaded PEF's reaction as well.


    I mean, ANY excuse would have been better than NO excuse for disappearing. I would assume the people who run WPP know that!
    Yes, and do they really me plastering his photo across the Internet, television shows on him, newspaper stories. I mean, it is 6 1/2 years, and he's still front page news. I certainly have not been making easy for them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    Now would that be RFG's ex-wife ? From accounts I had read, she, too, had been called forward.
    I don't know what you mean, "called forward."

    When I first saw that photo, I though she was PEF's aunt or something. I was surprised by the resemblance. Both short, same build, same chins, even the same glasses. Both have short hair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waupalani St. View Post
    lol yinz know much of PA is stuck in the eighties....(I'm from a Stillers town in W PA "Just a Steel Town girl on a Sturday Night..."ala Flashdance)...I kept thinking, Patty would look so cute in a pixie cut, or even a page boy cut...
    ROFL Here is some music by the Clarks for this conversation!

    It houses circus freaks, temptation and the Fayette County Fair
    And it reeks of love gone sour, suspicion and big hair
    http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/clarks/cigarette.html

    The Clarks are an aging rock band from the Pittsburgh region, originating at Indiana University of Pennsylvania (60 miles from State College).


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    When I first saw that photo, I though she was PEF's aunt or something. I was surprised by the resemblance. Both short, same build, same chins, even the same glasses. Both have short hair.
    Interesting observation, JJ, I noticed the resemblance as you did. It may not be that unusual for a man, upon remarriage, or perhaps with a "paramour" (a word I, too find disgusting, as another Poster had expressed), to pick another with surprising looks similarities.

    I had a sister (now deceased) who married a divorced man, and I had met his Ex-wife at one time, and darn near passed out at the resemblance b/w my sister and his ex. Just something that happens, not that I can explain it.

    What thoughts do you have, or is there another point you want to build on this ? Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    Thanks JJ...back to basics here...Lewisburg...a search on other side of river, or not ? I wonder if some Lewisburg folks who may read in on this thread could offer us any sort of opinion, or clue.
    On the other side of the river, traveling east towards Montandon on PA RT 45, there is a quarry with some deep, water-filled pits. The area is very rural and typical of small Pennsylvania "boroughs".

    Since it is more secluded than downtown Lewisburg, nefarious people would have been better-served meeting RFG on that side of the river.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I don't know what you mean, "called forward."

    When I first saw that photo, I though she was PEF's aunt or something. I was surprised by the resemblance. Both short, same build, same chins, even the same glasses. Both have short hair.
    Wouldn't you say that most people have a 'type' that they like?


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    Quote Originally Posted by eriklatranyi View Post
    On the other side of the river, traveling east towards Montandon on PA RT 45, there is a quarry with some deep, water-filled pits. The area is very rural and typical of small Pennsylvania "boroughs".

    Since it is more secluded than downtown Lewisburg, nefarious people would have been better-served meeting RFG on that side of the river.
    It is not even a borough, but an unincorporated place. There is a preserved wetlands there, basically a swamp. There are a lot of places to hide a body or commit suicide.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    Interesting observation, JJ, I noticed the resemblance as you did. It may not be that unusual for a man, upon remarriage, or perhaps with a "paramour" (a word I, too find disgusting, as another Poster had expressed), to pick another with surprising looks similarities.

    I had a sister (now deceased) who married a divorced man, and I had met his Ex-wife at one time, and darn near passed out at the resemblance b/w my sister and his ex. Just something that happens, not that I can explain it.

    What thoughts do you have, or is there another point you want to build on this ? Thanks.
    No, but PEF's appearance might have been what attracted RFG.

    When I read the story first, I expected PEF to be a leggy blond because of the age difference. Young girlfriend, flashy car. I thought RFG was in the midst of a mid-life crisis. Ah, no.

    So much for first impressions.

    And yes, I think people can be attracted to a type.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eriklatranyi View Post
    On the other side of the river, traveling east towards Montandon on PA RT 45, there is a quarry with some deep, water-filled pits. The area is very rural and typical of small Pennsylvania "boroughs".

    Since it is more secluded than downtown Lewisburg, nefarious people would have been better-served meeting RFG on that side of the river.
    Now this is interesting. I wonder if LE has ever considered the area you describe. Major Hmmmm... thanks so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    It is not even a borough, but an unincorporated place. There is a preserved wetlands there, basically a swamp. There are a lot of places to hide a body or commit suicide.
    I just did some panning around on Google Earth, for the area that you have described. That entire area, just beyond East Lewisburg is eery looking at best. There also seems to be some sort of quarry operation there with possible buildings that may have dock doors. Wish I could provide link to what I looked at...best bet, run Google Earth for Lewisburg, pan across river at the bridge, and look South in a line parallel to the river. That place really jumped out at me...even scarier looking was the date of the satellite imagery...3-31-05...one can even see the vehicles parked at this 'facility'. Chills...ty. Go look for yourselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I don't know what you mean, "called forward."

    When I first saw that photo, I though she was PEF's aunt or something. I was surprised by the resemblance. Both short, same build, same chins, even the same glasses. Both have short hair.
    Hmm, we covered this ground months ago. Did you not believe me, LOL?

    PS- I think both women are extremely unattractive. And I am a very tall blonde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Chatterly View Post
    I just did some panning around on Google Earth, for the area that you have described. That entire area, just beyond East Lewisburg is eery looking at best. There also seems to be some sort of quarry operation there with possible buildings that may have dock doors. Wish I could provide link to what I looked at...best bet, run Google Earth for Lewisburg, pan across river at the bridge, and look South in a line parallel to the river. That place really jumped out at me...even scarier looking was the date of the satellite imagery...3-31-05...one can even see the vehicles parked at this 'facility'. Chills...ty. Go look for yourselves.
    On March 16, 2009, a fellow blogger and former police officer, Slamdunk, posted a blog about the Montandon Marsh area as a possible place for the body.

    http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com...ng-person.html

    On March 17, 2010, I wrote a blog about checking a two mile radius on the east side of the Lewisburg Bridge, which includes the Montandon Marsh.

    http://www.centredaily.com/2010/03/1...ridgehead.html

    On November 21, 2011, as far as I know, it has not been checked.


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    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11...tim-out-school

    Today's PSU catastrophe. Freeh has no subpoena power, Wow, the Good Old Boys hang in there.

    I had seen CDT's Sarah Ganim on HLN just now, to boot, and is the media screaming now !


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