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    Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #3

    Please continue discussion here on the Penn State / Sandusky / Second Mile case.

    Links of interest:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153837"]Thread #1[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154517"]Thread #2[/ame]


    Case timeline (huffingtonpost.com)

    Grand jury presentment (.pdf)

    Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995 (pennlive.com)

    Also of interest: the case involving the disappearance
    of former Centre County DA Ray Gricar is here:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154352"]PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #7[/ame]


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    There's those two words again:

    The hate mail sent to black students had nothing to do with Sandusky’s proclivities, but the two incidences shared something in common: both were ultimately covered up by the university.

    Penn State and Joe Paterno were not willing to allow bad publicity to ruin the university’s image

    Concerned black students met with Paterno back in 2001.....Wolf recalls Paterno as almost emotionless

    Ultimately, a black man’s dead body was found by police near Penn State as one of the death threats said it would. And some black students had to attend their graduation the following May with bulletproof vests on in fear of their life.

    http://newsone.com/nation/theloop21/...lack-students/
    Paterno emotionless....bulletproof vests....That's stone cold, JoePa.


    But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops. Luke 12, 2-3



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    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...etic-director/

    The school announced in a press release that David Joyner has been named acting athletic director. With the naming of Joyner, Sherburne will now will resume his old position of associate AD.

    Joyner, a Penn State graduate and former football player for Paterno, has been a member of the university’s Board of Trustees since 2000. He will suspend that membership, the release states, as he takes over the athletic department, presumably until either Curley returns or a full-time replacement is found.
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    I wanted to comment on part of ThoughtFox's post in Thread #2, about the Dr. Drew program. Below is the portion where I bolded the part I wanted to post about:


    The psychiatrist on the show said she believed Sandusky was enough of a narcissist that he believes he can control the message, when really he is giving out too much information.
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    Why is it considered giving out too much information, instead of giving out information? Giving out "too much" information to me implies that the psychiatrist thought that perhaps he should have shut up, and protected himself legally. Whereas, giving out information, would imply that the psychiatrist felt he was letting his true nature out.

    Anyone have anything else to say about this: giving out too much information


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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    There's those two words again:
    Seems NOW Penn State is making every effort to cover up the cover up..JMHO
    "It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the family members are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

    JUSTICE HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND HIDDEN IN THE LAW


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    Good heavens!!! Is there any way to find out the race and socioeconomic status of the children served at second mile? I was reading on scout.com and there was alot of speculation that the victims were most likely AA. Then there was an article where a former player ? stated that (paraphrased) "I never saw Sandusky with athletic looking kids, I saw him with kids who appeared to be vulnerable."

    Are any of JS's adopted children AA? How many of the S family's foster children were AA?

    I can't help but wonder if the victim found dead in the following link was a second mile victim.

    http://loop21.com/content/other-penn...black-students

    My apologies in advance if anyone is offended by my speculative post as I realize racial issues are a sensitive subject. However, we are already discussing the most sensitive of subjects, child rape, and my questions are mounting about JS with each news article that I read.

    I taught at risk and inner city children for years in the public school system and there was nothing that made the boys happier than when I allowed them a football and free play during recess!

    Someone questioned on the last thread if JS had a 'type'. IMO, JS's type is the most vulnerable, most economically disadvantaged, children to prey upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Good heavens!!! Is there any way to find out the race and socioeconomic status of the children served at second mile? I was reading on scout.com and there was alot of speculation that the victims were most likely AA. Then there was an article where a former player ? stated that (paraphrased) "I never saw Sandusky with athletic looking kids, I saw him with kids who appeared to be vulnerable."

    Are any of JS's adopted children AA? How many of the S family's foster children were AA?

    I can't help but wonder if the victim found dead in the following link was a second mile victim.

    http://loop21.com/content/other-penn...black-students
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    I wondered that myself--what was his "type" of prey? There's a photograph in either Thread #1 or Thread #2, that shows some of the children in the Second Mile program. There appeared to be a group of children from varying racial/ethnic backgrounds.

    I wonder what the ethnic/racial background was for the children Sandusky brought with him to the games, overnight stays, home visits, etc.?


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    Hmmmm.... Interesting to see it in print.

    Can anyone grab a link to the story where 2nd mile got funding for new facitilies in State College? Where'd that funding come from. I don't remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
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    I wondered that myself--what was his "type" of prey? There's a photograph in either Thread #1 or Thread #2, that shows some of the children in the Second Mile program. There appeared to be a group of children from varying racial/ethnic backgrounds.

    I wonder what the ethnic/racial background was for the children Sandusky brought with him to the games, overnight stays, home visits, etc.?
    BBM

    I remember hearing it but don't have a link to back it up. Today work is getting in the way of sleuthing.
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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandu...ry?id=14961765

    The mother of the boy identified as Victim 1 in the Penn State sex abuse scandal said her son broke down in tears when he heard accused child molester Jerry Sandusky claim on television they were just "horsing around."
    The mother said she's angry to see Sandusky a free man while she and her son, who is now a teenager, feel they must hide to protect their anonymity.
    Sandusky can not give these victims back what he took away, their trust and innocence. He could step up and be a man for the first time in his life and affirm the truth.
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    About the race of the victims. I think someone said in the first thread (or maybe the second?) that all the victims who've come forward are slim and African American but they didn't say where they got their info from or anything else about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    I wanted to comment on part of ThoughtFox's post in Thread #2, about the Dr. Drew program. Below is the portion where I bolded the part I wanted to post about:


    The psychiatrist on the show said she believed Sandusky was enough of a narcissist that he believes he can control the message, when really he is giving out too much information.
    ------------

    Why is it considered giving out too much information, instead of giving out information? Giving out "too much" information to me implies that the psychiatrist thought that perhaps he should have shut up, and protected himself legally. Whereas, giving out information, would imply that the psychiatrist felt he was letting his true nature out.

    Anyone have anything else to say about this: giving out too much information
    I think the psychiatrist was saying that a narcissist would believe he was in total control of the message. He doesn't accurately interpret the consequences of letting out too much of his behavior, because he thinks whatever he does is A-OK. I don't think she was on his side legally, she just was observing behavior that is highly unusual...and very narcissistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScorpRising View Post
    Hmmmm.... Interesting to see it in print.

    Can anyone grab a link to the story where 2nd mile got funding for new facitilies in State College? Where'd that funding come from. I don't remember.
    UT OH!!

    Corbett Gave Second Mile $3 Million Grant

    Public records show Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett approved a $3 million optional taxpayer grant to the Second Mile, the charity founded by Jerry Sandusky.

    It is part of matching funds for a proposed $9 million Second Mile building in State College, Pa.

    http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/penn_state/corbett-gave-second-mile-$3-million-grant-111511
    Oh well, so much for the new playpen:

    State freezes $3 million grant to Second Mile (11-15-2011)

    The state has put a freeze on the $3 million grant The Second Mile was slated to get for its new State College learning center, the future of which seems uncertain. The nonprofit, founded by former PSU football coach Jerry Sandusky, had planned to build the 45,000-square-foot facility on a site near University Park Airport.

    http://www.wkva920.com/news.php
    Good Catch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    I can't help but wonder if the victim found dead in the following link was a second mile victim.

    http://loop21.com/content/other-penn...black-students
    I think it needs to be looked at. While it may not have been a victim, it could have been a witness, a threat to keep the silence, a relative to a victim, or totally unrelated. It needs to be looked at.

    I don't know how to link the document I found but you can google "[Abbreviated] History of Hate at Penn State" and find it. It is an interesting read.

    In addition, Donald Conner, a Black State College resident’s body was found near the University Park campus just days after former Black Caucus President LaKeisha Wolf received a letter claiming responsibility for the murder of a black man whose body could be found in the region.
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