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  1. #91
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    Do not rule out potential matches based on whether dentals are available in NamUs. I emailed questions@identifyus.org this morning about NamUs and dental records, and found out that there isn't a routine cross-checking system like we previously thought. This is the reply I got:

    Hi Samantha,

    The system is capable of developing possible matches. But the comparisons and exclusions are manually completed. Dental records and fingerprints can sometimes be difficult to review without the help of a subject matter expert.

    We have been working to develop tools that will help streamline the process of comparison / exclusion.

    The best way it can work now - an investigator can see the list of possibilities and go down the list using biometric comparison to exclude in a process of elimination.
    So, when looking for potential matches, DO NOT rule out based simply on whether fingerprints, dentals and/or DNA are in the system. If you happen to remember any cases where a PM looked very strong but who you ruled out based on that, I highly suggest you go back and review/submit those. Same with any 'pet' cases.

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    Is it accurate though that when DNA is on file, that either type is enough to flag a possible match but specific type must be available for positive identification? We are eliminating dozens of possibilities based on DNA on file in Smurfette's thread.

    Also, I'm reminded of the 2 Jane Does in the TX killing fields thread that have had "DNA submitted - Tests completed" on their NamUs profiles since inception of NamUs but that was not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    There are two primary DNA databases were UID's are compared to MP's (or MP Family Reference Samples) - One is CODIS, which is run by the FBI, and the other is within the NamUs system. There are other state and private DNA databases, but they don't do comprehensive nationwide comparisons.

    NamUs is run by the University of North Texas. So when a MP's DNA profile says "Sample Submitted - Tests Complete", I am pretty certain that the MP's DNA profile is at least in NamUs, although I am not so certain that that the sample is also in CODIS. CODIS will not accept samples from private labs, such as Bode Laboratories. Somewhere I've also heard that CODIS deals only with MP's who are thought to be victims of foul play. IIRC, if a person is missing as a result of circumstances, such as natural disaster, an accident, runaway or family abandonment, the person is not entered in CODIS. Also, from what I've heard, some state DNA databases automatically upload their MP DNA data to CODIS, and others don't.

    But my understanding is that if the MP's DNA section in NamUs says Sample Submitted - Tests Complete, it at least is in NamUs for automated comparison.

    I should add that an MP may have Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), or Nuclear DNA (nucDNA, sometimes referred to as STR), or both, depending on whether the familial contributors are mtDNA compatible (i.e., related by way of the maternal ancestral line) and also depending on how many Family Reference Samples are submitted. I've heard that NamUs and CODIS will not compare nucDNA based on only a single FRS.

    So it may not be sufficient for both the MP and UID to have DNA in the system. The MP and UID need to both have the same type of DNA in the system, and if both have nucDNA, but one side does not have mtDNA, then there must be more than one FRS for the MP.

    Or at least that's the way I understand it.
    This may answer my question, but I'm getting conflicting info in that thread. I think. Maybe it's because Smurfette has both that we can eliminate if the MP has either DNA on file?

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    How does one help out finding lost ones? Any coaches available?
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    Microsoft has a new age-guessing app and my first thought was how it could be used for unidentified and missing persons. Maybe postmortem photos and reconstructions can be run through it to give a precise age estimate, and age progressions/regressions can be checked for accuracy? Of course, it doesn't always guess close to the right age though.

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    Very tall unidentified?

    I seem to remember reading about a very tall unidentified male a few years ago. I think he was about 6' 9". If I remember correctly, he was found in a body of water-maybe Lake Michigan? Does this sound familiar to anyone? I saw a post on Facebook recently where someone is looking for her 6' 7" brother who hasn't been seen in years.

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    Found by Lake Michigan:

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2735

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    Apologies if this is the wrong place, but I'm very confused. How do you submit new entries? There is an unidentified woman who's killed her child and then herself by stepping into a burning SUV. It happened in LA and I've got a link, but I've got no idea where I'd put the link or who I submit my link to so that they may create a post on them? They are still unidentified, as they've been since the incident happened. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/w...hild-fire.html
    Again, sorry if I've posted in the wrong place. Thank you.


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    More a lurker than a contributor.

    I am so confused alone that I'd like to be mentored in sleuthing. Guidance would be beneficial.


    Thank you

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    CA - San Joaquin Valley (around Fresno) UID Males

    Despite searching, I can’t find records for all of the unidentified males that have been recovered in the San Joaquin Valley, near Fresno CA.

    I’ve been using NCMEC’s National Unidentified Remains Cases
    Map and this ‘cluster’ of unidentified males aged between 14 to 25 years, caught my eye:


    Source:http://ncmec.maps.arcgis.com/apps/we...67a2c53fcbc96e

    Of the eight cases on the map, only one has details entered into NCMEC, ie:

    John ‘Kingsburg’ Doe 1986:

    Date Found: 08/20/1986
    Location: Kingsburg, Fresno County
    Race: Hispanic
    Estimated Age: 15-16 years
    NCMEC #: 1184577
    Link: http://www.missingkids.org/poster/NCMC/1184577
    NamUs UP#: Not entered

    and only one has details entered into NamUS, ie:

    John ‘Corcoran’ Doe 1981:

    Date Found: 01/05/1981
    Location: Corcoran, Kings County
    Race: Hispanic
    Estimated Age: 17-21 years
    NCMEC #: 1184141
    NamUs UP#: 1013
    Link: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/full_report/1013

    The other decedents are not entered into NamUs or listed on The Doe Network, and have no records available from NCMEC despite appearing on the map, ie:

    John Doe 1978:

    Date Found: 06/27/1978
    Location: Tulare County
    Race: Unknown
    Estimated Age: 16-20 years
    NCMEC #: 1184551

    John ‘Fresno City’ Doe 1980:

    Date Found: 05/28/1980
    Location: Fresno County
    Race: Hispanic
    Estimated Age: 17-25 years
    NCMEC #: 1184599

    John ‘Fresno’ Doe 1971:

    Date Found: 07/05/1991
    Location: Fresno County
    Race: White
    Estimated Age: 16-21 years
    NCMEC #: 1184559

    John ‘Carruthers’ Doe 1985:

    Date Found: 08/28/1985
    Location: Carruthers, Fresno County
    Race: Unknown
    Estimated Age: 16-20 years
    NCMEC #: 1184550

    John ‘Tulare’ Doe 1985:

    Date Found: 09/02/1985
    Location: Tulare, Tulare County
    Race: White
    Age: 14-21 years
    NCMEC #: 1184489

    John ‘Sanger’ Doe:

    Date Found: 09/15/1987
    Location: Sanger, Fresno County
    Race: Hispanic
    Estimated Age: 15-20 years
    NCMEC #: 1184508

    Does anyone know where I can access their case reports online?

    TIA.
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