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  1. #31
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    There are two missing persons cases that I think would be really fascinating to solve, and suprisingly, they are not on Doe, Charlie, or NamUs. One being D.B. Cooper, and the other being Jimmy Hoffa.

    One day out of sheer boredom I took a gander in NamUs. There is only one UID that would seem to make any sense to be Hoffa - found in Sept of '75 in a lake in Wisconsin (male torso only). The lake is off I-94, which winds down past Chicago, and eventually to the Detroit area. The FBI seems to think the NY mob was behind Hoffa's disappearance, but it's easy to see why the Milwaukee outfit would have had some incentive to hate Hoffa then too. Hoffa was threatening to cut off access to loans that Milwaukee relied on for its casino ventures. Calling this a long shot would be an understatement, but my curiosity is peaked anyway. And I do wonder why they are not in NamUs as MP's....because you just never know....

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    Thought this was an interesting article, especially for any open Pima County cases...

    http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/1...-remains-cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    There are two missing persons cases that I think would be really fascinating to solve, and suprisingly, they are not on Doe, Charlie, or NamUs. One being D.B. Cooper, and the other being Jimmy Hoffa.

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    DB Cooper is not in the MP sites because he is not a missing person per se. He is a criminal whose true identity is unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    I'm not sure if we want a thread when things like this come up? I'm not sure how often it happens.

    But, I found where this gentleman's remains were found. I'm not sure where or when though? And if we have a UID thread about him here or not? I'm not sure how we can figure it out if we don't have information on where his remains were found?

    Rahim Quaam Martin

    Case Type: ColdCase
    DOB: Oct 21, 1981
    Missing Date: Jan 19, 2001
    Age Now: 30
    Missing City: Newark
    Missing State: NJ
    Case Number: x


    Gender: Male
    Race: Black
    Complexion: Medium
    Height: 5-8
    Weight: 180
    Hair Color: Black
    Hair Length: Medium
    Eye Color: Brown
    Wear Glasses or Contacts: No

    Location Last Seen: **UPDATE - Rahim's remains were discovered.** Unknown

    Circumstances of Disappearance: Rahim went with his friend Anwar Green (also missing), to pick up a check resulting from a civil lawsuit settlement and possibly had a large amount of cash with them. Both men remain missing.

    Last Seen Wearing: Red jacket, jeans, athletic shoes.

    Identifying Marks or Characteristics: Tattoo of a "bulldog" on right arm, tattoo of "Rah" on lower arm.


    http://www.blackandmissinginc.com/cd...singInfoID=348
    Found Deceased NJ - Rahim Qua'am Martin, 19, Newark, 19 Jan 2001 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    Martin, 19, disappeared with a friend, Anwar Green, 19, from Newark, New Jersey on January 19, 2001. The day after they were reported missing, the bodies of two individuals were found in a burned house in Newark. The victims had been murdered and the house intentionally set on fire. One of the victims was identified as Martin in August 2010. The other body remains unidentified and Green is still listed as a missing person.

    http://charleyproject.org/resolved.html
    Last edited by KateB; 04-29-2015 at 02:29 AM. Reason: repair url tag.

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    I was talking about you guys behind your backs yesterday. You can listen to what I said here:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleu...bsleuths-radio

  6. #36
    I'm wondering if this is still a current practice. It seems there was difficulty identifying these remains.

    "The U.S. Department of Justice National Missing Persons database revealed no matches to the remains found in that area. Officer Thompson later discovered that Zunke had been declared legally dead in 1983 and removed from the database. "

    http://www.kndo.com/story/18849916/human-remains-found

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    Possible national monument to the unidentified?

    The following is from an article regarding Princess Doe, but contains information about a possible national monument to people whose bodies have been found but who have never been identified:

    Sunday, 30 years to the day after the body was found, about 100 people gathered around the headstone of Princess Doe to hear of new efforts to identify her and who killed her and hear of an idea that could lead to a national monument to those whose bodies have been found, but remain unidentified.

    The idea for the national monument, similar to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia, is being put forward by former police Lt. Eric Kranz, who was the first lead investigator in the case.

    While he retired from the Blairstown Police Department in 1985, he has remained interested in the young woman's death and it was with the death of his own daughter, Michelle, who died of cancer in 2007, that the idea of a memorial to all the "unknowns" took seed.

    "It started with her. I had the time to be with her," Kranz said. "But these families don't have a place to go to, no place to mourn, no place to say goodbye."

    The former officer said he would like to see such a national monument and believes Washington or Arlington would be a good place since "many people vacation there. It is a destination."

    http://www.njherald.com/story/190298...se-gets-warmer

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    Seaching NamUs for Unidentified Persons

    Here is a link to my WS blog in which I discuss searching NamUs for Hispanics, Asians, other ethnic groups:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/blog.php?b=1044

    I never realized that many non-white UIDs are listed as white on NamUs.

    NamUs is working to get MEs to use "unsure" rather than "white" when they are unable to tell for sure the ethnicity of the UID.

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    I posted a few more "new to me" 1980's missing cases that I found on the Colorado BCI website that are not in Namus/Doe/Charley, etc. They are in the 80's missing section. I'm going to try to keep finding some of these cases that aren't known to us already.

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    So I was watching a show today about snakes of all things. (It might have been History Channel Nat'l Geographic or PBS, cant remember). At some point there was a woman scientist talking about the differences between human and reptilian skeletons. She talked about how reptilian spines are more flexible left/right, while human spines are more flexible forward/back. She was holding up a human spine and showing how the vertebraes connect and talking about spinal fluid, etc.

    Here's what I thought was interesting. She said that as humans walk throughout their day gravity causes the spinal fluid to gradually move downward. As a result she said we are actually shorter at the end of our day than at the beginning - because our spine compresses some when there's less fluid floating in there. She said anywhere up to an inch shorter! That got me thinking about our UIDs....as they lose spinal fluid in the decomp process perhaps they get shorter too? Perhaps that is just another factor in why some of the heights are off. I will try to find the title to the program and a link.


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    Well, last night I couldn't sleep at all! So I was watching TV again. And I happened to catch an episode of The New Detectives. The episode title is "Faces of Tragedy." Forensic artist Karen Taylor was featured. I have seen some of her work. I thought it was cool because in the episode she actually drew a sketch while she talked the viewer through the process, and the resulting sketch was instrumental in eventually identifying the remains of a teenage girl. I haven't found a link to watch it online, but maybe someone else can, or maybe it will be on again.

    http://investigation.discovery.com/t...0.18472.3020.x

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    Just wondering something.....is it possible that the ages on these peole can be way off from namus?

    For example....the lady with the pearl necklace (Ohio), I see her and she looks younger, IMO, than 50. Or are the ages pretty close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinginit View Post
    Just wondering something.....is it possible that the ages on these people can be way off from namus?

    For example....the lady with the pearl necklace (Ohio), I see her and she looks younger, IMO, than 50. Or are the ages pretty close?
    Yes, it's possible. I've seen numerous occasions where the age was off.

    But to me, the Pearl lady looks older than 50.

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    Thanks Carl. I appreciate the fast reply.
    I've been reading the threads on the matches to see how it works.

    Thanks for your input on pearl lady. I guess I was wondering if her face could be a little bloated, which would make her appear older.

    Ugh, it's so frustrating. I want to find them all.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    [The scientist] said that as humans walk throughout their day gravity causes the spinal fluid to gradually move downward. As a result she said we are actually shorter at the end of our day than at the beginning - because our spine compresses some when there's less fluid floating in there. She said anywhere up to an inch shorter! That got me thinking about our UIDs....as they lose spinal fluid in the decomp process perhaps they get shorter too? Perhaps that is just another factor in why some of the heights are off. I will try to find the title to the program and a link.
    There's the cerebrospinal fluid, the stuff that bathes the nervous system cells (and gets bloody in meningitis cases, etc). Then there are the intervertebral discs, the pads between the vertebra (which sometimes "slip" with painful results). I'm pretty sure it's the discs which are responsible for the effect you're talking about, but yes that does happen -- you're shorter at the end of the day than in the morning. An interesting side note -- astronauts are prone to backaches while in orbit because their bodies don't get this daily compression from gravity.

    I'm thinking of two other things that might throw off a height estimate. In all the times I've ever been asked for my height, everyone has always simply taken my word for it. In three different states, the DMV clerk who issued a driver's license always simply asked "how tall are you" and accepted whatever I told them. Now, I've never tried to fudge my height, but it occurs to me that someone might add or subtract a couple of inches for whatever reason -- personal embarrassment about being unusually short or tall, etc. So a 5'4" male might be "officially" recorded as 5'6", for example.

    Another thing worth mentioning regarding those spinal discs -- they do get thinner as a person ages, with the result that most people are shorter at 60 than they were at 30. But how many people bother telling the DMV clerk when renewing a license, "I'm not as tall as I used to be?" For that matter, how many are unaware of it? (When was the last time your height was actually measured?) So I guess that could throw things off too.

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