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    Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #5

    Please continue discussion here on the Penn State/Sandusky/Second Mile case.

    Links of interest:

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    Grand jury presentment (.pdf)

    Timeline: Sandusky's double life - in public, a saint; in private, an alleged monster (citizensvoice.com)

    Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995 (pennlive.com)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    Here is a good chart of the victims in the GJ report with a sumary of information for each child:


    http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/...rIvb.La.91.jpg


    Click to enlarge.
    Bringing over this important document that Reader posted which lists all the victims.

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    Attorney General of PA Press Release:
    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270

    Transcript of Bob Costas Interview:
    http://www.newsday.com/sports/media/...stas-1.3322457

    Background on Second Mile:
    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/2...opular#wgt=pop

    Jerry's Book "Touched" on Amazon (you can read excerpts):
    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575"]Amazon.com: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story (9781582613574): Jerry Sandusky: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SRnoJKLLL.@@AMEPARAM@@41SRnoJKLLL[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Those witnesses, unfortunately, only saw the act happening to themselves, and a good defense attorney could discredit them. Victim 1 and Victim 6 have the least problems, because there are independent witnesses; it is not the victim's word alone against Sandusky's.

    It is a bit like a victim, Mary, saying "Sam punched me in the eye." That was a few years ago, Mary didn't medical treatment, nobody saw her with a black eye, and nobody saw Sam punch Mary. That is a hard case to prove.

    Now, if Sam says, at the time, in front of several witnesses, including two police officers, "I punched Mary in the eye," Mary's story suddenly gets a lot stronger. It becomes a question of if the witnesses are telling the truth and if the punch in the eye was a criminal act, and what criminal act it was.
    BBM

    Right, I think most of us here understand the difference in there being evidence vs. no evidence in these cases and others we've followed.

    But how do you know there is no evidence/witness in the additional cases that have been brought forward?

    I've read the articles about these new cases, cited as from up to 20 total now to 10 new ones, plus the 2 new cases from the family. Surely the relative/parent of those children would not bring those cases forward without some evidence. As far as I've found the authorities state these new cases for adult victims are still being investigated by the grand jury, and the 2 relative cases by children's protective services. Here are a few of the articles I found on this, nothing new in the last few days:

    http://www.newser.com/story/133365/1...e-scandal.html

    http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sport...te-case-110811

    http://global.christianpost.com/news...andusky-61965/

    Is there a link to verify that there are no witnesses or other evidence in these 10 new adult cases and the 2 new children's cases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtFox View Post
    Attorney General of PA Press Release:
    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270

    Transcript of Bob Costas Interview:
    http://www.newsday.com/sports/media/...stas-1.3322457

    Background on Second Mile:
    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/2...opular#wgt=pop

    Jerry's Book "Touched" on Amazon (you can read excerpts):
    Amazon.com: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story (9781582613574): Jerry Sandusky: Books
    Thanks for bringing over these links, ThoughtFox!

    I see that one used book by Sandusky is selling for over $249! Reading the few first pages, I could only cringe for the people who wrote all those glowing endorsements for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    BBM

    Right, I think most of us here understand the difference in there being evidence vs. no evidence in these cases and others we've followed.

    But how do you know there is no evidence/witness in the additional cases that have been brought forward?


    We don't, but we don't know if there are any other witnesses either. These have been "vetted," as it were. They have testified under oath to what they heard or saw. Each witness is also corroborated by other witnesses.


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    One question: Is Sandusky ankle-monitored yet? If not, why not? You can rest-assured, those without power and connections, would be ankle-monitored. Two systems of treatment and justice alive and thriving.

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    Some states have a mandatory 25 year sentence for child sexual assault. Other states don’t have any mandatory sentence for child sexual assaults. Pennsylvania has a mandatory sentence of 10 years for sexual assault of a child under 16, 25 years for a second offense, and life imprisonment for a 3rd offense.
    http://ebookbrowse.com/ncsls-jessica...-pdf-d20221302

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    Thanks for bringing over these links, ThoughtFox!

    I see that one used book by Sandusky is selling for over $249! Reading the few first pages, I could only cringe for the people who wrote all those glowing endorsements for him.
    Shocking! Blech. I checked elsewhere and found that it is for sale for $16.95. The comments under that used book for $249 on Amazon are scorching.
    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/w/t...sky/1003980854

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    One question: Is Sandusky ankle-monitored yet? If not, why not? You can rest-assured, those without power and connections, would be ankle-monitored. Two systems of treatment and justice alive and thriving.
    True that...but even his own lawyer admits it may change soon:

    Sandusky lawyer: High bail would be tough to make [dated 11/22]

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...MainColumnArea

    EXcerpts:

    His attorney, Joe Amendola, told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that he was worried there may soon be new criminal allegations against his client.

    "My concern is, if they bring new charges based upon new people coming forward, that bail's going to be set and he's going to wind up in jail," said Amendola, who has not returned multiple phone messages from The Associated Press seeking comment.
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    Prosecutors "don't have to start all over," said veteran Lemoyne defense attorney Bill Costopoulos, who's not involved in the case. "The additional counts would result in another arrest, another bail piece, another preliminary hearing date being set."
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    Also Tuesday, Sandusky's preliminary hearing was rescheduled for Dec. 13 at the Centre County Courthouse in Bellefonte. It will be handled by an out-of-county jurist, Westmoreland County Senior District Judge Robert E. Scott.
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    "The more charges, the more serious it becomes, and of course I've heard public outcry that his bail is unsecured and it's too low," said Tunkhannock defense attorney Gerald Grimaud, who isn't involved in the case. "Any new judge or district magistrate is not tone deaf. I'm sure they're reading things in the news media and watching things on TV like everybody else."


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    All Six Victims ID'd in Child Sex Abuse Case Expected to Testify Against Ex-Penn State Coach

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/29...#ixzz1fA9cfUhP

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    All of the alleged victims identified in the child sex charges against disgraced ex-Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky are expected to testify next month in open court, a lawyer for one of the victims told FoxNews.com, despite claims by Sandusky's defense team that some of the victims would recant.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/29...#ixzz1fA9nXq1S

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    All Six Victims ID'd in Child Sex Abuse Case Expected to Testify Against Ex-Penn State Coach

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/29...#ixzz1fA9cfUhP

    (snip)
    All of the alleged victims identified in the child sex charges against disgraced ex-Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky are expected to testify next month in open court, a lawyer for one of the victims told FoxNews.com, despite claims by Sandusky's defense team that some of the victims would recant.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/29...#ixzz1fA9nXq1S
    I'm thinking plea bargain, and Sandusky doesn't have a lot of wiggle room.


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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    One question: Is Sandusky ankle-monitored yet? If not, why not? You can rest-assured, those without power and connections, would be ankle-monitored. Two systems of treatment and justice alive and thriving.
    epiphany, thanks for this post and your observation. The real problem is that this has been the case concerning Jerry Sandusky behavior and the officials at Penn State for years. Above all, this fact makes me so angry. How many boys could have been "saved" from this coach if only someone stepped up ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I'm thinking plea bargain, and Sandusky doesn't have a lot of wiggle room.
    Do you have a guess on the length of the sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    Do you have a guess on the length of the sentence?
    One minute less than the rest of his natural life would be an injustice.


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