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    Melissa

    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    That was really unusual. In each of the seven calls, the guy talked about what he did to her sister ... the violence of it. What a horrifying experience for the sister! It wasn't until the third call that police put a trace on the phone. Given the violence and dismemberment, it does seem that the guy spends a lot of time with his victims so it's possible she was alive for a month. It seems that the person doing this has a place where he can spend a lot of time with the victims.
    I agree otto.

    I watched again this morning and made some notes...

    *He described acts of violence on Melissa to Amanda and became more descriptive/detailed with each call.

    *He told Amanda he killed Melissa. He said 'you'll watch her body rot'.

    The last comment makes me wonder if he had fantasies of abducting Amanda and holding her so she could watch Melissa's body decompose after he killed her. I have often wondered what was different about Melissa for him to make these horrid calls to Amanda. If he held her, tortured her for a period of time then perhaps this was how he gleaned personal information about her lil sis. ...like "I hear you're a half breed."

    Just brainstorming and sorry to be so graphic. MOO

    wm

    ETA from my notes: Melissa was recruited from a strip club. She began doing 'parties' then became more active at parties. She was battered according to her mother which required 3 trips to the hospital...one for a collapsed lung and another for head trauma. What kind of he!! did this beautiful young woman live thru? Melissa was last seen in the Bronx. She deposited 900.00 into her account and told her bf she might head to LI.

    MB's bf was not interviewed for the special that I recall but here is some more info on him.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...cret-life.html
    Last edited by waltzingmatilda; 12-06-2011 at 12:02 PM. Reason: correction
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    Maureen

    Maureen had beautiful eyes, IMO. She has 2 children. She had quit escorting but had been unable to find a job outside the industry. She was about to be evicted so turned to the internet one more time to make her rent. She had previously advertised on 'SexyJobs' dot com. she had once received an offer on My space to model in NY. She traveled to meet a client in Manhattan and her last cell signal was from LI.

    Y'all help me out here. From where did MBB travel? Was it Maine? TIA

    wm
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    I agree otto.

    I watched again this morning and made some notes...

    *He described acts of violence on Melissa to Amanda and became more descriptive/detailed with each call.

    *He told Amanda he killed Melissa. He said 'you'll watch her body rot'.

    The last comment makes me wonder if he had fantasies of abducting Amanda and holding her so she could watch Melissa's body decompose after he killed her. I have often wondered what was different about Melissa for him to make these horrid calls to Amanda. If he held her, tortured her for a period of time then perhaps this was how he gleaned personal information about her lil sis. ...like "I hear you're a half breed."

    Just brainstorming and sorry to be so graphic. MOO

    wm

    ETA from my notes: Melissa was recruited by Akeem Cruz from a strip club. She began doing 'parties' then became more active at parties. She was battered allegedly by Cruz which required 3 trips to the hospital...one for a collapsed lung and anot for head trauma. What kind of he!! did this beautiful young woman live thru? Melissa was last seen in the Bronx. She deposited 900.00 into her account and told Cruz she might head to LI.
    It does sound like he was maybe trying to get access to the sister ... perhaps he kept her alive, hoping to use her to lure the sister. Maybe he had met her too. There is most likely something about this victim that was different ... maybe she fought back more, or less ... most likely less given her previous injuries and hospital trips. Maybe she was more compliant than the other victims. It's hard to say. Before the technology aspect of the murderer was mentioned, I was wondering if the guy was an isolated computer geek that delved deeper and deeper into computer porn until he started acting on it. Whoever this guy is, more needs to be done to locate him. He's probably still murdering women, but using a new dump site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Maureen had beautiful eyes, IMO. She has 2 children. She had quit escorting but had been unable to find a job outside the industry. She was about to be evicted so turned to the internet one more time to make her rent. She had previously advertised on 'SexyJobs' dot com. she had once received an offer on My space to model in NY. She traveled to meet a client in Manhattan and her last cell signal was from LI.

    Y'all help me out here. From where did MBB travel? Was it Maine? TIA

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    Wasn't it CT?

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    I suspect that this guy is watching the online discussions. Police should take the time to gather IP addresses of people following the case, focus on those that are in the areas where women were abducted (first case included) and where they were dumped, and follow up on them. I suspect that they could use technology to find the guy, but it would require quite a bit of work.

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    Megan

    Megan's mom stated that Megan was afraid of the dark and would never leave without her cell unless it was someone she was comfortable with. She thinks Megan knew her killer. Megan also left her bag behind in a hotel room in Happauge, NY. (According to ALC's sister, Kimberly Overstreet who is a former escort, it is common for escorts to take a bag along to appts)

    Megan's bf is now in prison for charges unrelated to her disappearance. His computer was seized by authorities.

    Megan is a mom and has one child.

    Here is more about MW and her bf AK.

    http://www.pressherald.com/news/miss...011-01-20.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    Wasn't it CT?
    Yes, thank you for refreshing my memory. It was Megan who travelled from Maine.

    Maureen travelled from CT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    It does sound like he was maybe trying to get access to the sister ... perhaps he kept her alive, hoping to use her to lure the sister. Maybe he had met her too. There is most likely something about this victim that was different ... maybe she fought back more, or less ... most likely less given her previous injuries and hospital trips. Maybe she was more compliant than the other victims. It's hard to say. Before the technology aspect of the murderer was mentioned, I was wondering if the guy was an isolated computer geek that delved deeper and deeper into computer porn until he started acting on it. Whoever this guy is, more needs to be done to locate him. He's probably still murdering women, but using a new dump site.
    I am thinking that perhaps he observed Amanda during one of her visits to see Melissa in NY. He didn't exactly meet her but observed her as his behaviour certianly points to an obsession with Melissa and I think he stalks his victims in a passive aggressive manner. With that said, maybe he did meet Amanda in passing as he passively/aggressively stalked Melissa.

    Your comment about an isolated computer geek brought back memories from when I worked for the phone company. I worked in a call center and we underwent continuous tech training. There were rooms in the complex where engineers did nothing but monitor meters. There were only a few times that business required me to enter that room, but I observed there were always non business websites on at least one of the computer screens. We had the ability to tap into anyone's phone records,,,,track calls, numbers, etc. It was considered proprietary information but I know of people who did it in the call center environment where the environment was hectic. Makes me wonder about those techies in the private rooms, ya know?

    MOO

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    I followed this case early on, but in a way found it too big ... too many victims, too many unknowns, too few leads. Today, after learning about the victim's skull, hands and forearm being found 40 miles from the rest of her body, and hearing about the legs being connected from a 15 year old case, I'm wondering if there is a map of the different locations. Did they mention where the body parts were found and I missed it, or was that information not given?

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    Oh yea! It is overwhelming for sure.

    Many threads ago, our Mountain_Kat posted a fantastic map which included the Manorville victims. (IIRC this was before the connection was made wrt the Manorville remains and the Gilgo remains and we were all just speculating.) Her map showed a perfect circle from manhatten thru the areas where remains were found. I wish I could find it. MK has good instincts!

    wm
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    Amber

    Amber left her home on foot without her escort bag or cell phone at
    10:30 pm ish on 9-2-10, according to her roommate, Dave Schaller. Amber had spoken with the client 3 times that day.
    Schaller was interviewed on the A&E special. According to his recollection, Amber was offered a couple hundred dollars, then the caller asked on another call, 'what would it cost for me to hire you for the whole night'.

    She was last seen wearing jeans and a hoodie.

    Amber had resumed a heroin habit shortly before she disappeared. (which may expalin her risky behavior) As well as her roommate Schaller. Schallar is now clean. IMO he seems like a staight shooter. He walked with her onto the porch and said goodbye as she walked down the street to meet the SK.

    Amber's sister, Kimberly Overstreet, is outspoken about the escort world. She stated that she occasionally posts ads on escort sites hoping to draw the killer to her. (May God and his angels protect her)

    Please make corrections if needed. Here's a link to Amber's thread.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134783"]Victim - Amber Lynn Costello - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    wm
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Oh yea! It is overwhelming for sure.

    Many threads ago, our Mountain_Kat posted a fantastic map which included the Manorville victims. (IIRC this was before the connection was made wrt the Manorville remains and the Gilgo remains and we were all just speculating.) Her map showed a perfect circle from manhatten thru the areas where remains were found. I wish I could find it. MK has good instincts!

    wm
    Thanks ... I'll look around too ... I remember those early maps and looked on some of the stickies, but didn't see a maps sticky. I need visuals to get a better understanding of the areas involved. The burlap is also an interesting point ... which makes me think that instead of a techno wizard, it's someone in landscaping. Maybe it's a techno wizard with a brother or friend in landscaping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Amber left her home on foot without her escort bag or cell phone at
    10:30 pm ish on 9-2-10, according to her roommate, Dave Schaller. Amber had spoken with the client 3 times that day.
    Schaller was interviewed on the A&E special. According to his recollection, Amber was offered a couple hundred dollars, then the caller asked on another call, 'what would it cost for me to hire you for the whole night'.

    She was last seen wearing jeans and a hoodie.

    Amber had resumed a heroin habit shortly before she disappeared. (which may expalin her risky behavior) As well as her roommate Schaller. Schallar is now clean. IMO he seems like a staight shooter. He walked with her onto the porch and said goodbye as she walked down the street to meet the SK.

    Amber's sister, Kimberly Overstreet, is outspoken about the escort world. She stated that she occasionally posts ads on escort sites hoping to draw the killer to her. (May God and his angels protect her)

    Please make corrections if needed. Here's a link to Amber's thread.

    Victim - Amber Lynn Costello - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    wm
    If she's willing to put herself in danger like that, police should have been working with her ... monitoring the men that she agreed to meet. It really seems like police are trying to play down everything and do as little as possible. When we hear that an 18 month old child was taken with an escort, I have to wonder what exactly police are thinking. Why would the mom feel comfortable enough to take along a toddler? Did this guy pick up the mom and the toddler and then what ... where did he take them? The Asian dressed as a woman ... wast that an accident where the guy didn't realize that she was a he?

    Could there be two people involved, like the Charles Ng case?

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    Shannan

    Shannan's mom, Mari showed logs/journals that contained information of SG's contacts. Shannan had told her mom not to worry...her clients were wealthy....Drs., Lawyers, Judges, Teachers.

    Shannan and Pak decided to go free lance after meeting one another while working at an escort agency. (Jersey? lace party girls?) Shannan placed an ad on Backpage and JB responded. Pak drove her to OB

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    If she's willing to put herself in danger like that, police should have been working with her ... monitoring the men that she agreed to meet. It really seems like police are trying to play down everything and do as little as possible. When we hear that an 18 month old child was taken with an escort, I have to wonder what exactly police are thinking. Why would the mom feel comfortable enough to take along a toddler? Did this guy pick up the mom and the toddler and then what ... where did he take them? The Asian dressed as a woman ... wast that an accident where the guy didn't realize that she was a he?

    Could there be two people involved, like the Charles Ng case?
    I can't imagine the police going along with something like that.God forbid something goes wrong. That's why they have undercover cops.

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