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    UT - Kane Co., WhtMale Skeletal UP8514, 30-55, found by hikers, Feb'94




    https://identifyus.org/cases/8514

    Circumstances: On February 6, 1994, a human skull was found by hikers approx. one quarter mile south of state road 89. The skull was found in a crevice in a rugged area. Artist reconstruction of what he may have looked like.

    White Male, 30-55

    Hair: Brown with a touch of gray
    Eyes: Color Unknown

    Dental: Chart viewable in NamUs. Extensive dental work including gold fillings

    DNA: Available but not yet submitted.

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    Also, estimated postmortem = 2 years
    No ruleouts in NamUs.

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    How about John William Wagner for starters

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_william.html

    Location is right (State Road 89 goes right through Kanab) .
    Timeframe is right (about six months)
    Height is close (5'10" compared to UID's 6'0" estimate)
    Age (34) is right
    Hair Color might be.


    James Zinza is another. (This is the second time this week, his name came up on one of my screens).

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zinza_james.html

    He doesn't have the flat looking nose like the recon.

    But the timeline, age, and height are about right. And he has greying brown hair (indicated in his distinguishing characteristics).

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    The postmortem estimate would have to be somewhat off...wonder how they arrived at 2 years.....https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/12001/0/


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    How about John William Wagner for starters

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_william.html

    Location is right (State Road 89 goes right through Kanab) .
    Timeframe is right (about six months)
    Height is close (5'10" compared to UID's 6'0" estimate)
    Age (34) is right
    Hair Color might be.
    I was looking at him a few minutes ago....I was trying to picture him with less facial hair, lol. Pretty compelling circumstantially though.

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    Brings up a good point, though. I wonder how many of these male UIDs stay that way because they wore a full beard in life. I know a man who's been married 40 years and his wife has never seen him without a beard. I was married to my husband 7 years before I saw him without a goatee. He looks completely different without it. It took me a long time to get used to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    James Zinza is another. (This is the second time this week, his name came up on one of my screens).

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zinza_james.html

    He doesn't have the flat looking nose like the recon.

    But the timeline, age, and height are about right. And he has greying brown hair (indicated in his distinguishing characteristics).
    I turned James in a few years back to a UID in Arizona. They did the DNA comparison, and he wasn't a match. James brother's body was found here in PA last year and he suffered from mental illness. (Not exactly sure what the cause of death was, but they ruled out foul play).http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ighlight=zinza

    James's profile states that he usually wore Levi's, the UID is said to have on Blue denim trousers, button fly waist size 33... just trying to think outside the box a little...

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    The DNA is now in NamUs for this UID.

    I also noticed this in the casefile:

    Other items found with remains: paper from Flagstaff Justice court

    CarlK, I just noticed that Zinza's profile indicated he spent time in Flagstaff.

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    I have always felt that John William Wagner seemed like the obvious one here. My question is about DNA in NAMUS. The UID says that DNA has been completed and entered (Complete MtDNA and nearly complete STR). Wagner says "Sample Submitted- Test Complete". Does this mean he is an automatic rule out?



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