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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Yes but veryone is assuming that the phone "needed" to be disposed of, why? Why not just leave it with her purse?
    I'm not necessarily of the belief that the phone "had" to be/"needed" to be disposed of for reasons of some type direct evidence per se(ie. Text, calls, pings, etc, etc)the vast majority of ALL OF THOSE/THAT DETAILS/iNFO FROM MICHELLE's PHONE IS 100% ACCESSIBLE TO LE WITHOUT EVEN HAVING THE PHYSICAL PHONE IN THEIR POSSESSION.(including detailed pings, their triangulation's, and gps tracking are all available without having the physical phone)..

    So, I definitely am not assuming that Dale's motive for disposing of the phone was to rid LE from having all of what could be of evidentiary value.. But rather I believe that Dale really is of the mindset of NO BODY, NO CRIME.. NO CRIME, NO BoDY=MICHELLE IS STILL ALIVE "somewhere".. I can't say for certain he still is of this type mindset, but I certainly do find it plausible that he was of the belief that possibly "she just took off".. And if even temporarily ppl are of that frame of my mind as a possibility in his mind that gets him off.. Who knows what ended up happening to her AFTER "she had just taken off".. But those avenues of course would NOT lead directly to Dale Smith's doorstep as her last seen/disappearing from his condo.. Well.. That unfortunately for him leads directly to his doorstep which I'm certain he knows is a huge problem for him seeing as no one seemed to buy the "she went shopping in Waterford @ 4:15" deal that he attempted to make fly.:big eyeroll:

    I think the phone was such a part of who Michelle was that in his head for anyone to ever believe if even for a nano second that she possibly could've "just taken off" it in his mind meant the phone had to disappear with Michelle..

    **and believe me I get that the ^above^ is not rational, well thought out patterns of thought.. But I personally don't believe Dale to be all that "together and rational".. There could be any crazy motive you can think of for why he chunked the phone.. But by far I don't assume it's to rid, destroy, or hide evidence..cuz with today's technology the vast majority of evidence is still available without ever finding the physical phone..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    I respectfully disagree. He has already been named a prime suspect by LE ten days into the investigation of her disappearance.

    But you are correct, on the trace evidence, we have zero clue what LE has nor doesn't have...we are flying blind on this one. They are not sharing. I have to hope and believe there is a good reason for it. Though I do understand, from personal experience, that is not always fullproof either.
    Actually I think we are in agreement. You're right as we have no clue what LE has, but I hope this doesn't turn into one of thosewaiting for months deals. I honestly feel that LE is in a little bit of a bind here. I think they thought they had more on him than they realized. I think they thought he woud crack under pressure and would give them way more than what they really had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Smart enough to leave almost no traces of evidence and so far having gotten rid of a body.
    Her car was found, her phone was found (like a needle in a haystack, finding that) footage was found showing when she entered Dale's complex and it very likely shows him or her car or both, leaving as well. That's much more than a trace.

    They are searching a fairly tight area. They have their sights on Dale. The map shows a straight trajectory down one highway, from his house, to where her phone was found and then her car, with his dad's house, the very place he claimed to have gone after she dropped off the kids, in the middle.

    I think it's clear that LE have a lot to go on. Even without knowing what they have that they refuse to release, to me, what we do know looks like a giant target pointing right at Dale and his father, simply looking at a map.

    Nah, LE is not running aimlessly in circles. They know where they are going, what they are doing and why. And Dale is not smarter than most common criminals, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Actually I think we are in agreement. You're right as we have no clue what LE has, but I hope this doesn't turn into one of thosewaiting for months deals. I honestly feel that LE is in a little bit of a bind here. I think they thought they had more on him than they realized. I think they thought he woud crack under pressure and would give them way more than what they really had.
    I will say this much, I was not particularly inspired by LE's statement today, provided by PattyG (the link)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Her car was found, her phone was found (like a needle in a haystack, finding that) footage was found showing when she entered Dale's complex and it very likely shows him or her car or both, leaving as well. That's much more than a trace.

    They are searching a fairly tight area. They have their sights on Dale. The map shows a straight trajectory down one highway, from his house, to where her phone was found and then her car, with his dad's house, the very place he claimed to have gone after she dropped off the kids, in the middle.

    I think it's clear that LE have a lot to go on. Even without knowing what they have that they refuse to release, to me, what we do know looks like a giant target pointing right at Dale and his father, simply looking at a map.

    Nah, LE is not running aimlessly in circles. They know where they are going, what they are doing and why. And Dale is not smarter than most common criminals, IMO.
    Yes but with respect all this is circumstantial. Her car being found means little as it doesn't seem like someone was trying to get rid of it anyway. Let me ask everyone here a question. Assuming and this is just assuming that LE has enough to arrest Dale right now why do you think that they would wait????

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    I'm not necessarily of the belief that the phone "had" to be/"needed" to be disposed of for reasons of some type direct evidence per se(ie. Text, calls, pings, etc, etc)the vast majority of ALL OF THOSE/THAT DETAILS/iNFO FROM MICHELLE's PHONE IS 100% ACCESSIBLE TO LE WITHOUT EVEN HAVING THE PHYSICAL PHONE IN THEIR POSSESSION.(including detailed pings, their triangulation's, and gps tracking are all available without having the physical phone)..

    So, I definitely am not assuming that Dale's motive for disposing of the phone was to rid LE from having all of what could be of evidentiary value.. But rather I believe that Dale really is of the mindset of NO BODY, NO CRIME.. NO CRIME, NO BoDY=MICHELLE IS STILL ALIVE "somewhere".. I can't say for certain he still is of this type mindset, but I certainly do find it plausible that he was of the belief that possibly "she just took off".. And if even temporarily ppl are of that frame of my mind as a possibility in his mind that gets him off.. Who knows what ended up happening to her AFTER "she had just taken off".. But those avenues of course would NOT lead directly to Dale Smith's doorstep as her last seen/disappearing from his condo.. Well.. That unfortunately for him leads directly to his doorstep which I'm certain he knows is a huge problem for him seeing as no one seemed to buy the "she went shopping in Waterford @ 4:15" deal that he attempted to make fly.:big eyeroll:

    I think the phone was such a part of who Michelle was that in his head for anyone to ever believe if even for a nano second that she possibly could've "just taken off" it in his mind meant the phone had to disappear with Michelle..

    **and believe me I get that the ^above^ is not rational, well thought out patterns of thought.. But I personally don't believe Dale to be all that "together and rational".. There could be any crazy motive you can think of for why he chunked the phone.. But by far I don't assume it's to rid, destroy, or hide evidence..cuz with today's technology the vast majority of evidence is still available without ever finding the physical phone..
    It's simple, to me. He certainly didn't want it on him and he didn't want to leave it in her car, just in case something on it could trace back to him. Most murderers in such a situation aren't calmly wiping down evidence and disposing of it. They are freaking out, "Oh shoot, oh shoot, I gotta' get rid of this! Fast!"

    I just don't see Dale as a plodding, cool killer, methodically hiding evidence. Everything he did was as a fast as he could, likely with daddy's help. And i think he did a piss poor job of getting rid of everything. Like I said, it's like a massive, red target pointing to him, IMO. And if alligators did not get Michelle, she may be found sooner rather than later.
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    imo I think LE has only circumstantial evidence and not a lot of it. I don't think they found any blood or tissue evidence suggesting a homicide. I think they went with the last possible person who seen her, named him prime suspect hoping he'd crack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Yes but with respect all this is circumstantial. Her car being found means little as it doesn't seem like someone was trying to get rid of it anyway. Let me ask everyone here a question. Assuming and this is just assuming that LE has enough to arrest Dale right now why do you think that they would wait????
    This is going to sound crass...but no "body" would be the answer. Same thing with Joshua Powell. Same thing with Scott Peterson. No "body" no real crime. When I lived in Houston, some recluse killed his landlord, and chopped him up and threw him into the ocean, but because they (LE) could never find his head, the jury couldn't render a guilty verdict (the defendent claimed self-defense, and I think is also connected to the disappearance of two women as well). No "Body" no arrest.

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    I think he was nosey and controlling and when everything was said and done, he wanted to go through her text messages, pics, etc. That left him little time to do more than just chunk it out the window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4BB View Post
    I think he was nosey and controlling and when everything was said and done, he wanted to go through her text messages, pics, etc. That left him little time to do more than just chunk it out the window.
    I think if he did that, he did while she was still alive. Controlling is better if there's still someone to control and torture with what ever he might find in the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duvalst View Post
    I think if he did that, he did while she was still alive. Controlling is better if there's still someone to control and torture with what ever he might find in the phone.
    That is a scary thought. (No offense to your post...) Just the thought of that happening is scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duvalst View Post
    imo I think LE has only circumstantial evidence and not a lot of it. I don't think they found any blood or tissue evidence suggesting a homicide. I think they went with the last possible person who seen her, named him prime suspect hoping he'd crack.
    I'm betting they have much much more than circumstantial evidence. I think they want the body, to seal the deal. Death penalty!?!? JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Yes but with respect all this is circumstantial. Her car being found means little as it doesn't seem like someone was trying to get rid of it anyway. Let me ask everyone here a question. Assuming and this is just assuming that LE has enough to arrest Dale right now why do you think that they would wait????
    Pretty much all evidence is circumstantial. People misunderstand what that means. Ballistics, DNA evidence, fingerprints, all of that is circumstantial. The opposite is direct evidence, which would be, for example, someone who gets caught or is recognizable, running out of a house, down the street, with a knife in their hands and blood all over them, leaving a dead body in the house behind them.

    Few missing person's cases have direct evidence.

    But, I get what you mean. However, finding the car does not mean little. That's a mighty piece of evidence. Where it was left in relation to the important locations in this case, as well as any possible trace evidence left in the vehicle, and the fact that the decal had been removed - all of that is very important stuff.

    And, you left out the phone. That's an even bigger prize. Great evidence. The fact that they found that needle in the haystack indicates they know a lot about someone or something's movements.

    I see this a lot in cases, too. One piece of evidence will be critiqued as if the failure of that piece of evidence to resolve the case, indicates there is no case. That is flat, faulty logic. Every piece of evidence is a piece of the puzzle. No matter how insignificant it may seem. When all put together, cases are solved.

    I think LE does likely have enough to arrest Dale. I have explained before why they would wait and I think it's a great question, because that seems to trouble people a lot too. It makes us feel like there is no case and it may grow cold.

    The fact is that probable cause and beyond a reasonable doubt are two separate principles. The standard necessary to an arrest is much easier to meet than the standard necessary to making it past a preliminary hearing, or, to an eventual conviction.

    Simply, they are still working this case. They still have data to process, perhaps labs to process, puzzle pieces to fit together. Don't you think they would want all their ducks in a row before triggering speedy trial rights?

    My family law cases are so simple in comparison to a criminal murder case. The level of preparation involved in my cases prior to trial is great. I cannot fathom the task of DAs preparing for a murder trial.

    In weighing risks and advantages, seems like they are coming out on the side of not hastening an arrest which could cause them to have to scramble to be prepared for trial. They have Dale where they want him. He's not going anywhere. You better believe he is being tracked. They must think the kids are not in grave danger from this man. So, they need to do all the work now, at some leisure. Put their heads together without pressure and build that baby solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimb103 View Post
    I'm betting they have much much more than circumstantial evidence. I think they want the body, to seal the deal. Death penalty!?!? JMO
    I hope not not with having the two twins. Life in prison, yes but not death. That's to much for those kids. Nobody deserves to have to live with one parent killing another but then to have another dead parent on top of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    I agree, but Casey's case hardly has any comparison to Michelle's. If Dale is responsible for Michelle's disappearance he has done an excellent job in doing so as far as not leaving a trace of evidence.
    Well, he left her phone and her car practically on a straight path to his parents house so I wouldn't call that excellent. Its clear to me that LE is keeping every little detail under wraps and trying not to make the same embarassing mistake as they did in Caylee's case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    This is going to sound crass...but no "body" would be the answer. Same thing with Joshua Powell. Same thing with Scott Peterson. No "body" no real crime. When I lived in Houston, some recluse killed his landlord, and chopped him up and threw him into the ocean, but because they (LE) could never find his head, the jury couldn't render a guilty verdict (the defendent claimed self-defense, and I think is also connected to the disappearance of two women as well). No "Body" no arrest.
    Yeah, that too. So much easier to gain a conviction when you have a body.

    But it is clear that LE have a ton of evidence that is directing specific, targeted searches. Now that they have the phone, we are likely to see even more specific, targeted searches. If wildlife has not come into play, I really sense that they have sufficient info to locate her. I mean, they located a phone!!!! A body is much easier to spot than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duvalst View Post
    I hope not not with having the two twins. Life in prison, yes but not death. That's to much for those kids. Nobody deserves to have to live with one parent killing another but then to have another dead parent on top of that.
    Yeah, that would be pretty heavy for those babies. But, it is Florida. Huge death penalty state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Pretty much all evidence is circumstantial. People misunderstand what that means. Ballistics, DNA evidence, fingerprints, all of that is circumstantial. The opposite is direct evidence, which would be, for example, someone who gets caught or is recognizable, running out of a house, down the street, with a knife in their hands and blood all over them, leaving a dead body in the house behind them.

    Few missing person's cases have direct evidence.

    But, I get what you mean. However, finding the car does not mean little. That's a mighty piece of evidence. Where it was left in relation to the important locations in this case, as well as any possible trace evidence left in the vehicle, and the fact that the decal had been removed - all of that is very important stuff.

    Ther is zero reason not to arrest him NOW if they have enough. Waiting for all their ducks in a row to me make no sense at all. All this supposed testing can be done while his butt is sitting in jail. Many people sit in jail for well over a year waiting for a trial. Also, if he is such a hot head and a danger to his kids then all the more reason to arrest him NOW!!

    And, you left out the phone. That's an even bigger prize. Great evidence. The fact that they found that needle in the haystack indicates they know a lot about someone or something's movements.

    I see this a lot in cases, too. One piece of evidence will be critiqued as if the failure of that piece of evidence to resolve the case, indicates there is no case. That is flat, faulty logic. Every piece of evidence is a piece of the puzzle. No matter how insignificant it may seem. When all put together, cases are solved.

    I think LE does likely have enough to arrest Dale. I have explained before why they would wait and I think it's a great question, because that seems to trouble people a lot too. It makes us feel like there is no case and it may grow cold.

    The fact is that probable cause and beyond a reasonable doubt are two separate principles. The standard necessary to an arrest is much easier to meet than the standard necessary to making it past a preliminary hearing, or, to an eventual conviction.

    Simply, they are still working this case. They still have data to process, perhaps labs to process, puzzle pieces to fit together. Don't you think they would want all their ducks in a row before triggering speedy trial rights?

    My family law cases are so simple in comparison to a criminal murder case. The level of preparation involved in my cases prior to trial is great. I cannot fathom the task of DAs preparing for a murder trial.

    In weighing risks and advantages, seems like they are coming out on the side of not hastening an arrest which could cause them to have to scramble to be prepared for trial. They have Dale where they want him. He's not going anywhere. You better believe he is being tracked. They must think the kids are not in grave danger from this man. So, they need to do all the work now, at some leisure. Put their heads together without pressure and build that baby solid.
    Other than a confession they are never going to have any direct evidence I would think so if and when they are going to arrest him they are going to do it with circumstantial or they are hoping for something big. The straight line theory doesn't really impress me. He could have parked that car anywhere. If he had help he easily could have veered right or left and left it anywhere. Also, I had a doubt although very small that he may not have placed the phone where it was supposedly found.

    If they have enough to arrest him now it makes ZERO sense to wait. There is no reason to wait to get their ducks in a row. Many people spend well over a year in jail while waiting for a trial so all this lab work to make the perfect arrest can be done while he is sitting in jail. If he is such a danger to his kids then they need to arrest him NOW!!

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    I can only base this opinion on the information that has come out in MSM and the fact that they haven't arrested DS II, but I don't think that things are lining up the way that law enforcement thought they would. I am not saying that I think he is innocent, but I am concerned that this investigation will linger for a while.

    Cell phone pings are not going to get them a conviction for murder. They need the crime scene and/or a body. A good defense attorney could pull apart pretty much all of the evidence that we've seen discussed. Even if it is highly suspicious that the phone was found so close to his condo, what ties him directly to the phone? Even the Waterford text is highly suspect, but how do you prove that DS II sent that text?

    The timeline is a problem. There is no evidence that he hid a body and got rid of it the next day. So, that leaves the night of the 17th. So far, it appears that he has alibi witnesses. If law enforcement can't turn the witnesses or prove that they are lying, then it doesn't really matter what they or anyone else believes.

    I am sure that law enforcement has a lot more information than we do, but we are making assumptions that the evidence "proves" that DS II killed Michelle. I don't think what they have proves anything beyond a reasonable doubt. If it did, they would have arrested him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duvalst View Post
    I hope not not with having the two twins. Life in prison, yes but not death. That's to much for those kids. Nobody deserves to have to live with one parent killing another but then to have another dead parent on top of that.
    I don't agree. If I was caring for those sweet twins, and their father was doing life in prison for mom's murder, I think it might be easier on the kids if dad was GONE, dead, out of the way.

    How horrible to have him alive but in prison for killing the mommy you loved with all of your heart. He would be like a dark shadow, a nightmare hanging over them for their whole lives.

    How would they deal with him? Would they visit him and write letters on his birthday? I think that is too much for them to deal with imo.
    I know a woman whose father killed her mother and her grandparents when she was a young girl. Although it took over decade to happen, her father did get put to death, and she said it was a relief to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I don't agree. If I was caring for those sweet twins, and their father was doing life in prison for mom's murder, I think it might be easier on the kids if dad was GONE, dead, out of the way.

    How horrible to have him alive but in prison for killing the mommy you loved with all of your heart. He would be like a dark shadow, a nightmare hanging over them for their whole lives.

    How would they deal with him? Would they visit him and write letters on his birthday? I think that is too much for them to deal with imo.
    I know a woman whose father killed her mother and her grandparents when she was a young girl. Although it took over decade to happen, her father did get put to death, and she said it was a relief to her.
    Unless it was an accident and he panicked. Then I would hope they would not go for the DP.

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    1. Name and address of the twinsí daycare facility.
    2. Time when MP picked up the twins from daycare.
    3. What time did MPís Hummer leave DS IIís condo?
    4. Eyewitness or video of above?
    5. When did DS II leave the condo in his own vehicle?
    6. Did DS II know about his neighborís video camera? Provisional Comments: The camera is in plain view on the balcony, as seen in photo taken 12/4 by AlwaysWright http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/...cember4822.jpg. (Contributed by 4BB)
    7. Did neighbors of DS Sr. see vehicles arriving and leaving on 11/17 afternoon?
    8. Location MPís cell pinged for 4:26 PM ďWaterfordĒ text to brother.
    9. When was MP supposed to meet boyfriend NM for dinner?
    10. When did MPís sister LE call DS II on 11/17, and what time did Yvonne call DS II 11/17 evening?
    11. What numbers did she try and when (ie, cell, or land line at condo or Rose Av.)?
    12. If Mrs. DS Sr. (TS) answered the call to Rose Av., what did she say to Yvonne in reference to why DS II couldnít come to the phone?
    13. When did DS II return Yvonneís call, and from what number?
    14. When did LE first contact DS II, and how?
    15. Did LE search DS IIís condo on evening of 11/17, and when did DS II return to his condo from Rose Ave. evening of 11/17 to meet LE?
    16. When he returned, were the twins with him, or did he leave them at DS Sr.ís house?
    17. Was MPís cell on the entire time up until it was powered down the evening of 11/17, and if it was powered on the entire time, was it moving around constantly (like in a car), or static in one or more locations? What locations have been noted for her cell between 3:18 PM and when it was powered down?
    18. Additional unreleased videos or other electronic evidence to track the route of MPís Hummer after 3:18 PM on 11/17 (including OnStar, even if it was inactive). Notes: Helpful information and links explaining EPass--http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7430815&postcount=400 (Provided by Sparky, 12/12)
    19. Additional unreleased eyewitness accounts of Hummer movements around town after 3:18 PM.
    20. Details of search warrant for DS Sr.'s house on Rose Ave.
    21. What is MPís boyfriend NMís alibi for 11/17 afternoon, and where was he during the times in question?
    22. Who else called or texted MP on 11/17 after 2:30 PM?
    23. Did MP send or receive any texts or make or receive any calls to/from DS II on 11/16 or on 11/17 before 3:18 PM?
    24. Did DS IIís cell ever leave his condo? If so, was his cell on the entire time, and if it was, what locations have been noted for his cell after 3:18 PM on 11/17?
    25. Does DS Sr. own a cell? If so, was his cell on the entire time, and what locations have been noted for his cell after 3:18 PM on 11/17?
    26. What if any evidence did LE find in and on the Hummer?
    27. What fingerprints were on MP's Hummer and her purse and belongings, and where were these located in the Hummer when it was found?
    28. If Dale's prints were found in her Hummer does he frequently get in her car?
    29. Was the Hummer driver's seat set for MP or someone taller?
    30. Were all the Hummer mirrors adjusted to the seat level? Whose fingerprints were on the mirror?
    31. Was the Hummer recently washed?
    32. Did the floor mats and wheel wells of the Hummer or other DS II/Sr. vehicles have any type of dirt mud or material that would possibly match up with a body of water that is nearby?
    33. What if any evidence did LE find at the Rose Ave. house and in any vehicles at the house?
    34. Did LE search DS IIís work van and truck?
    35. Did LE check DS IIís trash inside and out?
    36. For 11/17 search of DS IIís condo, who arrived at the condo for the search first: LE or DS II?
    37. If LE was there first, did DS II arrive in his truck & pull into the garage or did someone else drive him?
    38. If DS II was already there when LE arrived, were there any other vehicles or persons there with him?
    39. Does DS II own a bicycle, or have access to one at the Rose Avenue house?
    40. Confirm ownership of a white van that appears in the condo neighborís video, and in a later interview with the neighbor. Is this van DS IIís or a neighborís? Provisional Comments: Interview shows larger white van in DS IIís driveway (Chevy), white van shown in neighborís video appears to be different make (Dodge?) (provided by Cerebellum, 12/4); the taillights and door handles are different (provided by Kimb103, 12/4)
    41. Did DS II have his own car seats for the twins, or did DS II and MP share car seats?
    42. Did the Hummer have child car seats when found?
    43. Did/will LE search bodies of water near the parking lot where the Hummer was found?
    44. Would it be possible and effective for LE to use heat sensors from helicopters, at night, to help in searches?
    45. Has LE used or will they use metal detectors to aid in finding the cell phone during searches? Provisional Comments: LE located cell; see #78 for new questions
    46. Where is DS IIís unit located within the condo, especially with respect to his neighbor RGís camera? Verified: Orange County property records http://www.ocpafl.org/ indicate address as 6598 S. Goldenrod unit 98C, photos of DS IIís condo http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/...lwaysWright01/ show that unit C is on the right side, RG lives on the left side unit, and RGís camera captures his parking area and a portion of the street to the northeast of his side of the unit (provided by AlwaysWright, 12/4)
    47. If Carter Glen (DS IIís condo complex) has cameras or other devices at the north and south entrances and exits to the complex, did one or more capture any images or records of MPís Hummer arriving and/or leaving on 11/17, along with time of arrival and departure? Provisional Comments: The gates to the complex are closed and require one of the following: (1) Enter a specific code to open gate (Guests given code by Homeowner); (2) Card or Gate Opener to open gate (Homeowner); (3) Use the directory to contact Homeowner so they can buzz you in using phone; (4) Follow a car that has been granted access. (provided by AlwaysWright, 12/5)
    48. Did Carter Glen cameras or other devices capture any images or records of DS IIís vehicles arriving or leaving on 11/17 and 18, along with time of arrival and departure?
    49. Did Carter Glen cameras or other devices, capture any images or records of DS IIís family vehicles arriving or leaving on 11/17?
    50. Does DS Sr. have restrictions or physical disabilities that prevent him from being able to drive?
    51. Did DS II spend the night of 11/17, after the LE search, at his condo?
    52. What time did DS II leave his condo for work on Friday, 11/18?
    53. What vehicle was he driving from his condo on 11/18 AM?
    54. Did he make any stops to load work materials, change vehicles, etc. before leaving Orlando area?
    55. What route did he take to reach Titusville?
    56. What time did he arrive at his work destination in Titusville?
    57. Address of work destination in Titusville?
    58. What evidence has LE found at any warehouses, storage facilities, or other properties to which DS II or Sr. has access? Notes: Some properties owned by DS Jr, and Sr. now or in the past include 1982 Rose Blvd Home; 1984 Allied Roofing bORN - Listed as Rose Blvd Address; 2002 Lot & Unit at Sky Lake; 2005 Property off of Church St. no address just legal desc; 2005 Property at Pineway Drive - Sold the same year as aquired; 2007 Another property and unit on Sky Lake ; 2008 Condo in Carter Glen (provided by Angelonline, 12/04, per Orange Co Comptroller Records); http://paarcgis2.ocpafl.org/ObliqueV...92229000000174 property at S. Mission Rd. off 526 belonging to DS Sr. (provided by Cerebellum, 12/7); LE search canal behind house owned by DS Sr. at 6806 Chaucer Ln. (occupied by DS Srís sister according to neighbors) on 12/9. Map of parcels owned by DS Sr. http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap2/d...02323120597030 (Provided by Coldpizza, 12/9)
    59. In the days or weeks prior to 11/17, did MP express to friends or family members any apprehension about or annoyance with someone she encountered at her workplace or elsewhere?
    60. Does MP have a storage unit, and has this been checked for evidence by LE?
    61. Stills from the neighborís video show two different dark SUV vehicles leaving at two different times on 11/17, ie 17:17 and 16:40 (5:17 PM and 4:40 PM). LE has reported that the Hummer leaving on the video at 16:40 belongs to a neighbor on the street, not MP. Is the other departing vehicle a Hummer, and does it belong to MP or to yet another neighbor? Provisional Comments: Hummer leaving at 16:40 appears to be a dark grey color (provided bynotmissing, 12/04) Black SUV leaving at 17:17 has a license plate centered on the back, which is different license plate placement than MPís Hummer, which is left rear (provided by SmoothOperator, 12/6) Photos of 08 Hummers confirm the plates to be on the left rear. MPís Hummer is thought to be an 08. (provided by taagean & SmoothOperator 12/6)
    62. Activities, times, and other details, including calls and texts, demeanor, conversation topics, etc., of MPís day on 11/17, beginning when she arises and ending with 3:18 PM arrival at DS IIís condo. Provisional Comments and Notes: NM and MP had coffee that morning, time unknown (provided by ?); apparently cheerful cell texts between MP and sister LE reveal that MP was going to the salon at 11:30 AM for a Keratin treatment by LE, and that MP was going shoe (?) shopping with her mother Yvonne within the hour before going to the salon. (Provided by SmoothOperator, 12/6)
    63. In the video of the condo search, DS IIís truck is in the garage. Where is DS II's work van?
    64. When did MP and NM meet face to face on 11/17, and when did they talk or text one another on their cells that day, other than the 3:15 text? Provisional Comments: NM and MP met for coffee in AM, time unknown.
    65. When did NM try to contact MP (text or call her cell) after 3:18 PM on 11/17?
    66. If incoming white van as recorded by neighborís video, (subsequently parked on the street) is that of a neighbor or visitor to the condos, what did the driver of that van observe relative to MP, DS II, the twins, and MPís Hummer?
    67. Did MP have any mobile tanning appointments on 11/17, and when? With new or established customers?
    68. Was 11/17 a scheduled visitation day for DS II to take the twins? If not, what are the details of how and when this visitation was arranged?
    69. Where did MP park the Hummer when she was dropping off the twins at DS IIís?
    70. Was DS IIís garage open, or did MP go to the front door of the condo?
    71. What vehicles were parked inside or in the driveway of DS IIís garage when MP arrived to drop off the twins?
    72. Has LE searched or will they search Titusville areas, and possible route(s) from Orlando to Titusville, and what evidence was found, if any?
    73. What time did MPís 11 year old son arrive home from school on 11/17? Provisional Comments: MPís sister LE said that the child usually got off the bus at around 3:30 PM
    74. Did he try calling his mom, and what time(s) did he try calling her? Provisional Comments: MPís sister LE said that the child usually called his mother when he got off the school bus.
    75. Did anyone attempt to call or text MP between 3:18 and 4:26 on 11/17?
    76. DS IIís neighbor with the cam was not home when MP arrived, and says he saw nothing when he did arrive home. What time did neighbor arrive home?
    77. Other than DS IIís mother and father, who else received subpoenas as of 12/6?
    78. Where, when and how was MPís cell found? Provisional Comments: On 12/7, LE released news that MPís cell was found, thrown in the water near Lake Conway from a bridge, although which of two possible bridges is uncertain at this time; Bob Kealing identifies correct bridge as on Nela 12/9 (Provided by ?) News report suggests that cell wasnít found due to one specific tip http://vidcache.newsoverwireless.com...FL-3417293.mp4 (Contributed by JerseyGirl, 12/13)
    79. On which side of the bridge was the cell found, to help determine direction car was traveling?
    80. What, if any, is the forensic evidence recovered from the cell?
    81. What data, if any, was recovered from the cell?
    82. Did MP attempt to call eleven y o son around 3:30 on, on 11/17?
    83. Have landfills been searched, and evidence found?
    84. Did DS II take the twins to DS Sr.ís house on 11/17, and when did he leave his condo and arrive at the Rose Ave. house? Provisional Comments: Attorney for DS II and DS Sr. said that DS II had arrived at the Rose Ave. house at 4:30 PM.
    85. Did DS II have a standard routine when he had the twins, and if so, did his actions/movement on 11/17 afternoon vary from that routine?
    86. Will or have the twins been interviewed by LE, and if interviewed, what observations did they offer about what they remember from 11/17?
    87. Did LE search DS IIís condo on evening of 11/18 (Fri). If so, details of search.
    88. Details of where and when cadaver dogs have been used in this case, with evidence obtained.
    89. Was the spare tire cover gone when the Hummer was found by LE?
    90. Does DS II have a current girlfriend?
    91. Is it possible that a cell phone could stay on a significant length of time, even when underwater?
    92. When did MP last gas up the Hummer?
    93. Could car have been gassed up by perp? Paper trail?
    94. Use of odometer reading and/or fuel level and mileage of Hummer to determine how far it was driven after 3:18 PM on 11/17.
    95. Where did MP live, and with whom? Verified: The family, including MP, lives on a few acres in Geneva, FL. Rural and very nice. (contributed by Sparky, 12/11)
    96. Who is the owner of the Chevy Impala with either an open or bent trunk, shown in photos of DS IIís condo (http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/...lwaysWright01/ taken by AlwaysWright on 12/4)? Provisional Comments: Has Mass. Plate. Exmp pictured at http://www.boston.com/news/local/bre...license_p.html (Provided by Cerebellum); plates seem to read 100-ATE (Provided by Misfitdolly).
    97. What kind of keychain/keyfob did MP have? Any special features?
    98. How many sets of keys existed for the Hummer, and did DS II have a set?
    99. Was the Hummer locked when finally located by LE? Does the Hummer have an automatic lock (locking after a time)?
    100. Was the ďWaterfordĒ text an auto-correct fail?
    101. What type of decal was the Glow decal on the Hummer rear windowóstatic cling or adhesive?
    102. Alligator behavior with remains. Provisional Comments: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7433462&postcount=108"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 #13[/ame] and [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7433474&postcount=111"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 #13[/ame] (Swamp Mama, 12/13)
    103. Did LE take DS IIís computer and cell, and what evidence was obtained from these?
    104. Was MPís tanning equipment in the Hummer when it was found, and was the equipment intact?
    105. Other than MPís cell and keys, what other personal items were missing when the Hummer was found.
    106. Was MPís wallet missing, in her handbag, or in the Hummer but separate from the handbag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Unless it was an accident and he panicked. Then I would hope they would not go for the DP.
    I understand what you mean, for the kids' sake. Having said that...his whole life is an exercise into how "not" to live one. JMO. I doubt this "esteemed" individual thinks more than two seconds ahead of anything...hence, his multiple arrests. I have yet to see where he sought help/therapy for his stairway to shame...KWIM

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    I hate saying it like this...but Michelle is most likely in a ten mile radius (circular) from where she was last seen. Unless, she has been taken and held. I rule out nothing...when it comes to finding someone. I still believe that Dale is the prime suspect for a darn good reason...but she could be very close. think Caylee... is the area around where she was last seen all woods? Undergrowth, etc?
    How long did it take to find Caylee? Anyone remember? Are there any stats on missing persons. What percentage are found and if found what is the avg length of time it takes to find the person. Not that it matters as every case is difference, i'm just trying to get a sense of where Michelle's case stands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzmaster View Post
    How long did it take to find Caylee? Anyone remember? Are there any stats on missing persons. What percentage are found and if found what is the avg length of time it takes to find the person. Not that it matters as every case is difference, i'm just trying to get a sense of where Michelle's case stands...
    She went missing in July. Found in December. Laci Peterson went missing in December and was found in April. I don't know what the stats are for this type of stuff...but neither Stacy Peterson nor Susan Powell have been found and we are going on two plus years for their cases.

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