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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Why is it that you never hear of divers (as in teams of divers searching lakes in Florida) getting attacked by gators. Do they have something they use to ward them off?
    Mr Swamp and I go gator hunting here (Louisiana) every year and we are also on the local fire department dive team which does body recoveries so I can tell you how it goes for us.

    Even when we are alligator hunting where the alligators are plump and plentiful, they tend to be rather shy and duck out of sight when they sense our presence. Granted, we aren't in the water scuba diving and hunting but alligators aren't usually aggressive.

    Also alligators tend to do more hunting and attacks more in the evening. If that area is full of boats, people and equipment, it tends to scare them off. When we are doing a body search, there are also police on the scene who keep an eye out for any alligators that would appear. Alligators would be more attracted to the isolated sound of a one human floundering around and not so much attracted to a whole bunch of people with lots of lots boats.

    Guys also tend to dive in teams or with a designated buddy and there are "bang sticks" which can be used to shoot something underwater if it attacks you. But there are so many people on the surface looking out for signs of the victim that alligators are spotted right away but they usually duck out of sight and slink away to a quieter spot.
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    Swamp Mama,
    Great informative post. THANKS.

    One question. Is it true,as far as you know, that gators do not eat dead bodies? Or is that an urban myth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Swamp Mama,
    Great informative post. THANKS.

    One question. Is it true,as far as you know, that gators do not eat dead bodies? Or is that an urban myth?
    Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.
    SwampMama

    GUILTY!!!

    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampMama View Post
    Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.
    I never knew that. Got to come to WS for a real education. So if someone did drop a dead body into waters that are full of gators, it might disappear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampMama View Post
    Mr Swamp and I go gator hunting here (Louisiana) every year and we are also on the local fire department dive team which does body recoveries so I can tell you how it goes for us.

    Even when we are alligator hunting where the alligators are plump and plentiful, they tend to be rather shy and duck out of sight when they sense our presence. Granted, we aren't in the water scuba diving and hunting but alligators aren't usually aggressive.

    Also alligators tend to do more hunting and attacks more in the evening. If that area is full of boats, people and equipment, it tends to scare them off. When we are doing a body search, there are also police on the scene who keep an eye out for any alligators that would appear. Alligators would be more attracted to the isolated sound of a one human floundering around and not so much attracted to a whole bunch of people with lots of lots boats.

    Guys also tend to dive in teams or with a designated buddy and there are "bang sticks" which can be used to shoot something underwater if it attacks you. But there are so many people on the surface looking out for signs of the victim that alligators are spotted right away but they usually duck out of sight and slink away to a quieter spot.
    You are one brave SwampMama!


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I never knew that. Got to come to WS for a real education. So if someone did drop a dead body into waters that are full of gators, it might disappear.
    Yes, and it would eat the meat and bone. The alligators stomach produces about 10 times more stomach acid that other animals and that dissolves the bones as well so unfortunately there aren't even the remains of bones left behind.
    SwampMama

    GUILTY!!!

    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by my_tee_mouse View Post
    You are one brave SwampMama!
    Mr. Swamp is the brave one. He has done this all of his life and I feel completely safe with him in control. I usually go along to film it and to keep him company. Even the grand kids have gone along to watch the fun when he is alligator hunting.

    If you have ever watched "swamp people", then you have seen a greatly exaggerated recap of what alligator hunting really is. It's not as dramatic or as dangerous as you would think it would be.

    Of course, we don't have dramatic these music in the background either or cut to commercials at the critical moments either
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    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    I would like some comments regarding this segment of my timeline, particularly if you are from the area and know the roads.

    I am looking at the early part of my timeline. Here are my assumptions:

    1) the daycare where Michelle’s two children were situated is located near where she lives.
    2) Michelle lives in Geneva.
    3) Michelle got up, did her normal activities, including putting on her cross necklace.
    4) On the day of the disappearance, Michelle’s older son went to school, she dropped her two younger kids off at a daycare in or very near Geneva, and had coffee and a chat with her new boyfriend.
    5) Michelle may have went back home and watched the airing of the TV court episode at 2:00 PM that involved her and her ex-boyfriend, although this might create a crunch in the timeline.
    6) Michelle drove the short distance to her mother’s beauty salon in Oviedo, and left by 2:30 PM. At this point, if Michelle had not seen the TV court episode herself, she probably heard an earful about it.
    7) Michelle drove back to the Geneva area, picked up her two kids from the daycare at about 2:45 PM and began the drive to her ex-boyfriend's house (25 miles approx?).

    Here is my question: could Michelle average 40 to 45 mph for such a trip? Or is such an average speed impossible in that region of Orlando and at that time of day?
    Yes she could most certainly average 40 to 45 mph. If she took the 417 toll road from Oviedo to near where DS2 lived, she would be going speeds of 55 to 65 mph. I am not certain of the speeds from Geneva to Oviedo but it is a rural area so I am guessing 45 isn't out of the question at all.

    Also, I agree with a lot of your post but we still don't know where that day care is. It is possible that it is near Oviedo and her mother's shop since that's where she worked in the day time. When my sons were small their day care was nearby where my parents had a shop (as opposed to near my home) so that my parents could pick them up for me and watch after them in the early afternoons after they closed up and before I got off work at 5:00. It saved me a ton of money doing that.


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    Woohoo! Detectives spent the day going through Michelle's phone! Also, at the end of the video, we learn that the cell wasn't found due to "one specific tip" - so IMO nobody called it in...

    The interview is with Michelle's father.

    http://vidcache.newsoverwireless.com...FL-3417293.mp4

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodynoz View Post
    You'll laugh more when I confess that for a minute, I really and truly was trying to figure out how to word a question about those photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampMama View Post
    Yes, and it would eat the meat and bone. The alligators stomach produces about 10 times more stomach acid that other animals and that dissolves the bones as well so unfortunately there aren't even the remains of bones left behind.
    Swamp Mama - that's very interesting, and sad at the same time, because it would indicate that if a person has been missing for some time, then there really isn't much chance of finding remains.

    I'm also thinking of the Haleigh Cummings case, where indications were that the little girl may have been disposed of in an alligator infested lake. So not much chance of ever solving what really happened without a body.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampMama View Post
    Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.
    This brings me to a question that I almost hate asking...

    As a child, I remember crabbing on my father's boat with a "chicken line" (or chum line) to attract the crabs. We'd catch TONS at a time & a lot faster than crab traps. Having said that, could a perp have grabbed some chicken or fish, tied it on clothesline rope, then wrapped it around a body to attract marine life faster than normal? A shark can smell a drop of blood from over a mile away. What are the stats on alligators with this sense?


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    Alright friends, let's leave the LINKGATE topic behind .

    It might confuse our fellow sleuthers and lurkers who didnt have the opportunity to participate in the fun.
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    I like DSjr for this crime as the perp-I think the location of the cell phone would make him the unluckiest dude in America if he werent guilty...combined with all of the escalating disagreements between them that is.

    I am praying for a resolution as soon as possible.
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