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    Quote Originally Posted by sherbetjello View Post
    Seeing this really, really has me weaving in and out of "Did RB do it?"

    That tree-line around the complex still weirds me out, and I know that it's for protection - but I wonder how many vagrants are in this area? And, on the outskirts of this hwy (in front of the complex), what stores are within walking distance?

    I am looking at every angle here, so please don't attack me. I know as much as everyone else here, but I am still perked on why they haven't officially charged RB and why they are waiting months to do so.
    He's been charged with murder.

    I would really like to see a roommate interview/public (keyword public) appearance.
    I'm sure LE doesn't care about our curiosity, they care about keeping the evidence close to the vest and not trying this case in the public eye.

    Usually, when a tenant moves and things are left over, they are removed the day of the vacancy.
    Not at all true. Depending on how many people are moving in and how many other units were vacated, it could take a couple of weeks before an apartment is trashed out. If Ryan was a lazy person, even longer. I do find a couch and a mattress still in the apartment to be odd - people leave behind mattresses, but seldom their couch.

    I find it really odd that these items were in the apartment, in the living room, on day 5 of the starting month.
    Leads me to believe, and to *speculate, this apartment was vacant much longer than on the 1st of the month. And if that's true, plenty of time for someone to realize "hey, it's safe to crash here."
    It's no longer a rule that residents move in and out only on the first of the month. In many cases, now, the lease begins and ends on the day the resident wants to move in. So the previous resident's lease could have ended at any time during the month. I remember the nightmare days of having 15-20 residents moving out on the first and 15-20 moving in a week later, almost impossible to do efficiently, especially on a section 8 community. Most of the residents just don't care how they leave an apartment, they weren't charged for it. It could be different now, I haven't had experience with section 8 in many, many years.

    I am still waiting on something that sticks, obviously. I hope that day comes soon cause that is the truest and best form of justice for Jorelys
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    If Ryan were being railroaded, we'd have heard something from his lawyer by now. My feeling is they have rock solid evidence and they are making the case bullet proof. I just hope there are no plea deals - he needs to be put away forever if he committed this horrible act.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    He's been charged with murder.


    I'm sure LE doesn't care about our curiosity, they care about keeping the evidence close to the vest and not trying this case in the public eye.


    Not at all true. Depending on how many people are moving in and how many other units were vacated, it could take a couple of weeks before an apartment is trashed out. If Ryan was a lazy person, even longer. I do find a couch and a mattress still in the apartment to be odd - people leave behind mattresses, but seldom their couch.



    It's no longer a rule that residents move in and out only on the first of the month. In many cases, now, the lease begins and ends on the day the resident wants to move in. So the previous resident's lease could have ended at any time during the month. I remember the nightmare days of having 15-20 residents moving out on the first and 15-20 moving in a week later, almost impossible to do efficiently, especially on a section 8 community. Most of the residents just don't care how they leave an apartment, they weren't charged for it. It could be different now, I haven't had experience with section 8 in many, many years.

    .

    If Ryan were being railroaded, we'd have heard something from his lawyer by now. My feeling is they have rock solid evidence and they are making the case bullet proof. I just hope there are no plea deals - he needs to be put away forever if he committed this horrible act.

    BBM
    The only plea IMO would be a guilty to all charges to remove the death penalty, still with life w no possibility of parole. And I only see this deal if the evidence is overwhelmingly circumstantial, if there is DNA and witnesses, I bet there is no deal offer. GA is not afraid to go hard for the DP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherbetjello View Post
    Seeing this really, really has me weaving in and out of "Did RB do it?"

    That tree-line around the complex still weirds me out, and I know that it's for protection - but I wonder how many vagrants are in this area? And, on the outskirts of this hwy (in front of the complex), what stores are within walking distance?

    I am looking at every angle here, so please don't attack me. I know as much as everyone else here, but I am still perked on why they haven't officially charged RB and why they are waiting months to do so.

    I would really like to see a roommate interview/public (keyword public) appearance.

    Usually, when a tenant moves and things are left over, they are removed the day of the vacancy. I find it really odd that these items were in the apartment, in the living room, on day 5 of the starting month.
    Leads me to believe, and to *speculate, this apartment was vacant much longer than on the 1st of the month. And if that's true, plenty of time for someone to realize "hey, it's safe to crash here."

    I am still waiting on something that sticks, obviously. I hope that day comes soon cause that is the truest and best form of justice for Jorelys.
    BBM
    There are certainly other areas of Canton with higher concentrations of section 8 and charity food banks, etc. This is mostly a commercial area, mostly newer shops. Nearest shopping center has Publix, Ross, Movie Theater, Longhorn, Red Lobster, and specialty clothing stores. The "highway", Riverstone Pkwy/Marietta HWY is a 4 lane (2 each way) closest to exit 20 off 575. We don't get many "vagrants" or "homeless" here, simply because there are so many more resources for such people in larger cities such as Marietta and Atlanta. In 6 years of living here, I have seen panhandlers maybe 3 times, and usually these appear to be drive-ins that solicit at freeway exits. I work with a local charity and as far as food banks, 95% of the people coming in are Guatemalan families with multiple children, I see very few men alone or even childless women. I am trying to recall even one man alone coming in and I can't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by marazul View Post
    BBM
    There are certainly other areas of Canton with higher concentrations of section 8 and charity food banks, etc. This is mostly a commercial area, mostly newer shops. Nearest shopping center has Publix, Ross, Movie Theater, Longhorn, Red Lobster, and specialty clothing stores. The "highway", Riverstone Pkwy/Marietta HWY is a 4 lane (2 each way) closest to exit 20 off 575. We don't get many "vagrants" or "homeless" here, simply because there are so many more resources for such people in larger cities such as Marietta and Atlanta. In 6 years of living here, I have seen panhandlers maybe 3 times, and usually these appear to be drive-ins that solicit at freeway exits. I work with a local charity and as far as food banks, 95% of the people coming in are Guatemalan families with multiple children, I see very few men alone or even childless women. I am trying to recall even one man alone coming in and I can't.
    BBM

    I thought a double thank you was necessary. I also live in Georgia and have volunteered with the Soup Kitchen, and my children volunteered when they were in high school (many years ago). I have never consider Canton to be a "South Atlanta" where so much of the crime happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SyraKelly View Post
    why can't we get pass page 13?
    There were some comments deleted that messed up the page count. I think there will always be an extra page until we switch threads.


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    Just had a chance to finally read the report. I wonder why it was reported this whole time that the apartment was an unlocked apartment when it says explicitly in this report that the officer remembers the maintenance guy had to unlock the door??

    I'm still trying to imagine how blood would look like feces? They must have assumed it was very loose stool?? Ick! If there was that much blood, how was it all over the bathroom, but not found in the rest of the apartment?

    I wonder if he showered in that bathroom?

    In regards to the neighbor that already knew she was missing, I'm sure it's as simple as someone from the family or friends had already came looking for her before the police knocked on his door the next day. IMO, the police should have been knocking on every door of that apartment complex Friday night!


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    He's been charged with murder.


    I'm sure LE doesn't care about our curiosity, they care about keeping the evidence close to the vest and not trying this case in the public eye.


    Not at all true. Depending on how many people are moving in and how many other units were vacated, it could take a couple of weeks before an apartment is trashed out. If Ryan was a lazy person, even longer. I do find a couch and a mattress still in the apartment to be odd - people leave behind mattresses, but seldom their couch.



    It's no longer a rule that residents move in and out only on the first of the month. In many cases, now, the lease begins and ends on the day the resident wants to move in. So the previous resident's lease could have ended at any time during the month. I remember the nightmare days of having 15-20 residents moving out on the first and 15-20 moving in a week later, almost impossible to do efficiently, especially on a section 8 community. Most of the residents just don't care how they leave an apartment, they weren't charged for it. It could be different now, I haven't had experience with section 8 in many, many years.

    .

    If Ryan were being railroaded, we'd have heard something from his lawyer by now. My feeling is they have rock solid evidence and they are making the case bullet proof. I just hope there are no plea deals - he needs to be put away forever if he committed this horrible act.

    That's why we are grateful to have insight from somebody that REALLY knows (a long time apartment manager) a professional. If "we" think certain things are out of the ordinary then we can be set straight.

    Thank you once again vlpate
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    Quote Originally Posted by cat thief View Post
    That's why we are grateful to have insight from somebody that REALLY knows (a long time apartment manager) a professional. If "we" think certain things are out of the ordinary then we can be set straight.

    Thank you once again vlpate
    BEM: Too long, lol. I was on several properties, as manager, from 86-92 and promoted to upper management, eventually overseeing 4,200 units. Two years ago I went back onsite and I love it. I have a life now and much less stress I've always said a reality show about property management would be a hit.

    Having said that, I can attest to the fact that Property management companies are corporate entities and they only see the bottom line, not people . They may be sending out condolences to the family, but they don't really know who they are and they don't really care. Residents will want to move out, but they won't be allowed to break their leases because the community did nothing wrong, unless the manager had some prior knowledge that this kid had issues. In that case, she could be sued personally and as a representative of the management company. The management company will settle in a minute, they always do. In 25+ years I've gone to court on exactly one case - a precedent setting case and we paid dearly - way less expensive to settle and there's no media/Internet attention.

    My point to the last paragraph... we are not likely to hear a word out of the manager, or the staff. Talking about something this serious to the media would ruin them professionally, and if they signed a confidentiality agreement, which is common, they could face legal ramifications as well. This company is worried right now, a bad reputation is almost impossible to overcome in this industry, especially in the age of google. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on any of the employees to speak out. The son is a different story though...

    Sorry the post is so long...just trying to give a little insight. Goodnight


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    That's true, Melissa Huckaby was charged with the kidnapping, rape, and murder of Sandra Cantu. I didn't follow the case to trial so IDK how the prosecutors proved Sandra was raped by Melissa.

    IIRC, Melissa kidnapped Sandra on a Friday afternoon. After Sandra returned home from school she left to go to a friends house and she disappeared while walking down the street. Sandra lived in a trailor complex.

    What evidence do LE need to prove Jorelys was raped?
    This happened in June of this year.
    Molly Jane Roe raped, killed boyfriend's 17-month-old baby girl, Maleeya Marie Murley
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...e-vaginal-area

    "In addition to murder, Roe also faces a charge of aggravated rape of a child.

    An examination of Murley after she was hospitalized revealed bruising to her vaginal area, right hip and left side of her stomach, as well as a bite mark on her back, court documents revealed, according to The Jackson Sun."


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Blue Sky,

    Why would a past tenant come back to their own vacant apt. and leave a dead child in there?
    The neighbor who lives across from the apartment where the child was tortured needs to be ruled out. I'm curious to know if he is a RSO and was ruled out. He could have grabbed Jorelys and taken her in the apartment across the hall but LE said the the previous tenant had a key so they likely kept the door locked until the day they carried out their plan to murder the child. If he wanted to know when Jorelys got off the school bus, all he had to do was walk or look outside his window. I personally don’t think he committed this crime but LE needs to know if he heard or saw anyone living in the apartment who was there on Friday. I wonder if LE are interested in pursuing the leads the detectives who inspected the apartment generated.

    LE said it appeared to him that the former was still living there so it looks like they hadn’t finished moving out yet and that’s why they had a key to the apartment and were allowed to be there. In November Joseline moved out of an apartment into another at RR complex so I wonder why she wanted to move - what was her purpose for doing that? Feces was spotted in the apartment which suggests the tenant had young children in diapers who were in the process of being toilet trained. LE also detected blood droplets from a nosebleed and because the heat was on in the apartment, a dry climate can cause a child's nose to bleed. Doctors recommend applying vaseline into the nasal passages to eliminate the problem. Normally a caretaker inspects a suite with the tenant the day the lease expires and the tenants turn in the keys, etc. Joseline had plans but I don't know what they were.

    The killer disposed of the body immediately after they had finished beating up an innocent child so they didn’t leave a dead body in the apartment. It is too risky and besides, the killer planned everything out in advance and it was executed effeciently and with precision. The killer knew the child had to be reported missing and LE had to be notified so they removed the body after the child was beaten nearly to death and had no intention of going back there because they had to leave and be where they were supposed to be to cover up the crime and avoid further questioning.

    LE didn’t say whether they spotted trash bags, boxes, ties that bind, and duct tape in the apartment. I believe the murder was planned because the killer put duct tape presumably over the victim’s mouth and bound their arms and ankles imo to ensure the victim would die. I think after she was beaten, the killer put the duct tape on and bound her limbs so there would be no doubt in the killer’s mind that she was dead - they intended to kill her so this murder was premeditated - this was intentional.

    If the victim wasn’t dead but unconscious after the beating, duct tape over the mouth prevented them from moaning or using their hands and feet should they regain consciousness. The killer took this into consideration. When the elements of premeditation and planning are present, the charges are first degree murder punishable by lethal injection. Therefore the killer can't claim they were insane when they committed the crime so they wouldn't be able to plea "not guilty due to reasons of insanity".

    Jorelys was murdered in early December and her father was expecting her to come and spend the Christmas Holidays with him. What was the mother's plan? Joreslys looks afraid in some of her most recent pictures imo. The mother said the last time she saw her daughter was on Thursday so she did wasn't protecting her child from harm the day the crime against her occurred. The mother said she had no contact with her daughter around the time she was murdered and I do not believe her.

    <snipped>

    Jorelys left the industrial town of Penuelas where she was born with her mother when she was three.

    She had come back several times and was to spend Christmas in Penuelas with her father and extended family.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1hN9uiGi2


    Q: Does anyone know of a previous case where a mother was convicted for sexually assaulting, beating and murdering their own child? Melissa Huckaby, the Sunday School teacher, had one daughter but the girl she kidnapped, sexually assaulted and murdered, Sandra Cantu, was not her child - IOW Melissa didn't inflict or dump her emotional problems onto her child - IOW, she protected her child from experiencing her pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    If Ryan were being railroaded, we'd have heard something from his lawyer by now. My feeling is they have rock solid evidence and they are making the case bullet proof. I just hope there are no plea deals - he needs to be put away forever if he committed this horrible act.
    I agree. LE would first look hard at the RSO's & others in the complex with a criminal record. A 20 yo without a record would hardly show up on their radar screen unless evidence pointed to him.

    Also, about Jorelys diary - way too much is being made of it - and that is hardly an opinion - that is based on much experience with young children. In first grade, they are still learning to print - cursive isn't normally introduced until 2nd grade. At that age writing is time consuming & tedious & they don't have a large vocabulary of words. Diaries are fun because of the cute pictures & the lock & key - the 'writing' is brief & there are mostly drawings or stickers. If her purse & diary are missing, it's because she keeps her diary in her purse & had them with her on the playground.


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    It looks as though LE used Search and Rescue Dogs as taken from crankycrankerson's photobucket.

    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...3D120411s9.png


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    The neighbor who lives across from the apartment where the child was tortured needs to be ruled out. I'm curious to know if he is a RSO and was ruled out. He could have grabbed Jorelys and taken her in the apartment across the hall but LE said the the previous tenant had a key so they likely kept the door locked until the day they carried out their plan to murder the child.
    The previous tenant probably had a key because they didn't turn them in. Typically, a resident who leaves a mess doesn't turn in their keys - they just don't care. This sounds like a skip anyway. Someone who owed rent or was evicted.

    If he wanted to know when Jorelys got off the school bus, all he had to do was walk or look outside his window. I personally donít think he committed this crime but LE needs to know if he heard or saw anyone living in the apartment who was there on Friday. I wonder if LE are interested in pursuing the leads the detectives who inspected the apartment generated.
    Of course they talked to the guy across the hall and asked if her heard or saw something - and why wouldn't they pursue other leads?

    LE said it appeared to him that the former was still living there so it looks like they hadnít finished moving out yet and thatís why they had a key to the apartment and were allowed to be there.
    The apartment she was killed in was noted as a vacant and thus, why "Mark" the maintenance person took LE to it. Not that I've read everything, but where did you hear the former resident still had a key?

    In November Joseline moved out of an apartment into another at RR complex so I wonder why she wanted to move - what was her purpose for doing that?
    IIRC, she got a roommate.

    Feces was spotted in the apartment which suggests the tenant had young children in diapers who were in the process of being toilet trained.
    ??? They were mistaken IIRC. Are you saying the former resident was potty training and the child pooped all over and they just left it? ewww.

    LE also detected blood droplets from a nosebleed and because the heat was on in the apartment, a dry climate can cause a child's nose to bleed.
    LE said this? I believe what the officer said was he "thought" the blood was from a nose bleed. All that was mentioned about the heat was the officer had to get out of the apartment because it was so hot.

    Doctors recommend applying vaseline into the nasal passages to eliminate the problem. Normally a caretaker inspects a suite with the tenant the day the lease expires and the tenants turn in the keys, etc. Joseline had plans but I don't know what they were.
    I doubt the resident that left furniture and trash all over the place would go to the manager and ask her to walk the apartment with them? It's never happened to me, ever. Walking the apartment is not a requirement, it's optional for the resident so they can have something signed stating whether or not there will be charges to the deposit. ---- "Joseline had plans.....????

    The killer disposed of the body immediately after they had finished beating up an innocent child so they didnít leave a dead body in the apartment. It is too risky and besides, the killer planned everything out in advance and it was executed effeciently and with precision. The killer knew the child had to be reported missing and LE had to be notified so they removed the body after the child was beaten nearly to death and had no intention of going back there because they had to leave and be where they were supposed to be to cover up the crime and avoid further questioning.
    BEM: How do we know the body was disposed of immediately? We know she died within two hours, but not when the body was taken to the compactor.

    We don't know that it was planned and we KNOW it wasn't done efficiently, there was blood all over the place....as for precision, how is that defined in this case?

    BEM 2: Nearly beaten to death? She was still alive when thrown in the dumpster?

    <snip>

    If the victim wasnít dead but unconscious after the beating, duct tape over the mouth prevented them from moaning or using their hands and feet should they regain consciousness. The killer took this into consideration. When the elements of premeditation and planning are present, the charges are first degree murder punishable by lethal injection. Therefore the killer can't claim they were insane when they committed the crime so they wouldn't be able to plea "not guilty due to reasons of insanity".
    Making sure she was dead does not prove premeditation and it's not requisite for an insanity plea. Knowing right from wrong excludes the insanity plea.

    Jorelys was murdered in early December and her father was expecting her to come and spend the Christmas Holidays with him. What was the mother's plan? Joreslys looks afraid in some of her most recent pictures imo. The mother said the last time she saw her daughter was on Thursday so she did wasn't protecting her child from harm the day the crime against her occurred. The mother said she had no contact with her daughter around the time she was murdered and I do not believe her.
    This would mean everyone who said she was sleeping were lying to LE?

    <snipped>


    Q: Does anyone know of a previous case where a mother was convicted for sexually assaulting, beating and murdering their own child? Melissa Huckaby, the Sunday School teacher, had one daughter but the girl she kidnapped, sexually assaulted and murdered, Sandra Cantu, was not her child - IOW Melissa didn't inflict or dump her emotional problems onto her child - IOW, she protected her child from experiencing her pain.
    Step-mothers, foster caretakers, and girlfriends - but I've not read or heard of a biological mother molesting and killing her child. I will tell you that I know mothers molest their children - but it's hard to prove, especially when the child is dead and they can't tell what happened to them.

    Was there animosity between the mother and father over the little girl? I don't recall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
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    Was there animosity between the mother and father over the little girl? I don't recall.
    vlpate, There is no indication that there was animosity between the mother and father. There are no grounds for the theory or speculation. Best to just leave it alone.
    Please be aware that what I type is my opinion.


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    Originally Posted by Bluesky#1
    Feces was spotted in the apartment which suggests the tenant had young children in diapers who were in the process of being toilet trained.

    <snipped>

    Feces spotted in apartment suggests when people die they void (empty) their bowels.

    Which could suggest that victim was moved to the bathroom. I would think victim may have even been killed in bathroom as well. A bathroom is usually smaller than most rooms in an apartment. So it would be easier to control a person.


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