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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    This is another reason why the house should not have been demolished immediately afterward. There is fencing and other precautions that could have been put in place to ensure looters, etc. didn't enter the property while a thorough investigation was held.

    However, I do not believe the lawsuit(s) against the city have much merit due to the owner(s) own admission that the ashes/embers were improperly disposed of.



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    Well I totally agree. As I recall we were all shocked here, when they demolished the house so fast.
    Mother says none of the alarms went off, it was very quiet. Well, were any batteries actually put into these alarms? The hard wired ones were removed, but supposedly battery operated ones were purchased? But were these alarms even operational? Arson investigators could have found that out, but the house was demolished so quickly. So, I believe, as a result, they couldn't charge anyone even with negligence, because proper arson investigation was not carried out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Well I totally agree. As I recall we were all shocked here, when they demolished the house so fast.
    Mother says none of the alarms went off, it was very quiet. Well, were any batteries actually put into these alarms? The hard wired ones were removed, but supposedly battery operated ones were purchased? But were these alarms even operational? Arson investigators could have found that out, but the house was demolished so quickly. So, I believe, as a result, they couldn't charge anyone even with negligence, because proper arson investigation was not carried out.
    That's the entire problem. With the demolishing of the house that quickly a thorough investigation couldn't be carried out, even to determine if the battery operated smoke detectors were installed and/or functional. As a contractor, Borcina should have made sure they were in place when the hard-wired detectors were disconnected, especially in such an old home undergoing major renovations. Also, any reasonable person would make sure there were working smoke detectors with Christmas decorations and small children inside the home.

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    Just tragedy all around and what makes it worse, so completely avoidable.


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    Madonna Badger Wants To Know Where fire Debris Went

    http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news...nt-3697160.php


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    Father of girls killed in Christmas Day fire sues city, ex-wife's boyfriend

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...boyfriend?lite


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane View Post
    Madonna Badger Wants To Know Where fire Debris Went

    http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news...nt-3697160.php
    From the article:

    "According to Badger's motion, as a result of AMEC dismantling the remains of the house all her personal possessions have been lost or destroyed and she has been unable to produce a property inventory for insurance purposes. In addition, the motion states, the information is necessary to determine the existence of wrongful conduct in connection with the fire."

    It is understandable she wants an inventory of possessions for insurance purposes, however, it is also confusing why she would want to determine the existence of wrongful conduct when it was her boyfriend who disposed of the embers and without any "evidence" no charges can be brought. Or has she severed ties with him now and would want him prosecuted?



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    During her interview, she said she doesn't blame the boyfriend, so I don't think she wants him prosecuted.
    I think she hopes it wasn't the ashes starting the fire. For obvious reasons.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    During her interview, she said she doesn't blame the boyfriend, so I don't think she wants him prosecuted.
    I think she hopes it wasn't the ashes starting the fire. For obvious reasons.
    Thanks, missed that part of her interview. If not the ashes, however, what would be the cause to exempt him from negligence as he was renovating the house? Just can't follow her thinking, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    Thanks, missed that part of her interview. If not the ashes, however, what would be the cause to exempt him from negligence as he was renovating the house? Just can't follow her thinking, I suppose.

    MOO
    I don't know. She saw her boyfriend dispose of ashes, and she didn't stop him because she thought it was safe-since he put his hand into the ashes. I don't think that's easy to live with. So she now says she doesn't think ashes started the fire.
    Just my opinion


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    Every time I read about this tragedy,I shake all over.No one should ever have to endure losing all of your kids at one time.Madonna lost her kids and parents at the same time.All because embers weren't disposed of properly.I fail to understand why the boyfriend didn't put smoke alarms in that house.He was very careless and irresponsible.To me this is where the blame lies.He is a contractor,and he knows how the rules are played in the housing game.To me the parents are angry and they have a right to be.They have lost so much.God bless them.


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    I haven't read this yet but wanted to post it ASAP"......off to read now.....

    Police release probe into fatal fire

    City report: 2 contractors say they warned Borcina safety methods were being ignored


    Read more: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news...#ixzz21IhaaO5v


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    A new interview with Madonna Badger:

    http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...reams#comments

    My heart goes out to her, I hope she really has found a small amount of peace. I noticed that she never mentioned the boyfriend. Sounds like he may be out of her life. I hope so, whether or not she blames him it was his absolute stupidity and shady building practices that caused the fire.


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    Wow....she has really come a long way...... it's good to see her able to smile. I'm happy to hear that the therapy has helped so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane View Post
    Wow....she has really come a long way...... it's good to see her able to smile. I'm happy to hear that the therapy has helped so much.
    Agreed. The network of support she has is really helpful for her.




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    Quote Originally Posted by October View Post
    A new interview with Madonna Badger:

    http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...reams#comments

    My heart goes out to her, I hope she really has found a small amount of peace. I noticed that she never mentioned the boyfriend. Sounds like he may be out of her life. I hope so, whether or not she blames him it was his absolute stupidity and shady building practices that caused the fire.
    Good to see she appears to be doing much better now.

    Sending many positive thoughts that as Christmas nears, she will continue to get through this.
    Rest in Peace
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