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    Quote Originally Posted by doubt View Post
    i never said a word or asked, about backlash.
    With respect, doubt, your own post said the writer would have to deal "with whatever backlash it brings him...." So, um, yes, you did.

    my point was that the writer of the piece in question did a horrible job, both in handling a delicate matter and also in representing those whose craft is writing.

    personally, i still believe that if this family had been brutally murdered, you'd be hard pressed to find a single person defend the writer's pitiful excuse for an editorial, but to each their own opinion.

    no matter how we agree or disagree in regard to an article in a newspaper, it's probably safe to assume we're all heartbroken for this family. what an inconceivable loss.

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    I don't entirely disagree. But since the writer himself concludes that his personal grievance was petty, his article seems an inappropriate focus for outrage. It's not as if he was unkind to the victims, he was just honest about his own initial reaction to being called out on Christmas morning.

    There's an entire generation of young writers who have been taught that objectivity is an illusion and their own response to everything is the only true subject of literature.

    And it isn't only writing classes that promote a culture of narcissism. Look at shows such as DATELINE that invite viewers to log on at the second commercial break to opine on the guilt or innocence of a suspect. As if our opinions are so important we can't wait an hour for the program to conclude before expressing them!

    I can't help but note the irony of WebSleuthers complaining that somebody else appropriates a tragedy for his own purposes. What are we doing here anyway? Aiding the victims? Once in awhile, perhaps, but most of the time we are merely feeding our own curiosities on the tragedies of others.

    As such, we're not even as honest as the writer of the article in question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I frankly don't think he was working there as a contractor.
    Regardless of their relationship, his company did the renovations, was not approved to work in the state of Conn., the renovations had not passsed inspection and fire warnings were not attached AFTER being approved, plus his action with the embers disposal started the fire.

    The woman has lost her entire family!! Relationships have a habit of falling apart in this kind of tragedy and stress, even with couples that are married for long periods of time.


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    A contractor doing renovations does not need a license to work in Ct., they only need to be registered.
    Per Ct. gov. sites.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    With respect, doubt, your own post said the writer would have to deal "with whatever backlash it brings him...." So, um, yes, you did.



    I don't entirely disagree. But since the writer himself concludes that his personal grievance was petty, his article seems an inappropriate focus for outrage. It's not as if he was unkind to the victims, he was just honest about his own initial reaction to being called out on Christmas morning.

    There's an entire generation of young writers who have been taught that objectivity is an illusion and their own response to everything is the only true subject of literature.

    And it isn't only writing classes that promote a culture of narcissism. Look at shows such as DATELINE that invite viewers to log on at the second commercial break to opine on the guilt or innocence of a suspect. As if our opinions are so important we can't wait an hour for the program to conclude before expressing them!

    I can't help but note the irony of WebSleuthers complaining that somebody else appropriates a tragedy for his own purposes. What are we doing here anyway? Aiding the victims? Once in awhile, perhaps, but most of the time we are merely feeding our own curiosities on the tragedies of others.

    As such, we're not even as honest as the writer of the article in question.
    obviously we're missing each other here so i'm going to do what i tried to do yesterday, agree to disagree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wondering? View Post
    A contractor doing renovations does not need a license to work in Ct., they only need to be registered.
    Per Ct. gov. sites.
    I am not even sure it was his company that actually did renovations on that home.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by doubt View Post
    obviously we're missing each other here so i'm going to do what i tried to do yesterday, agree to disagree.
    You claimed not to have posted something you did in fact post. I politely pointed out your error.

    How we "agree to disagree" on that escapes me.

    When my all-too-frequent errors are pointed out to me, I usually find "oops" an appropriate response.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wondering? View Post
    A contractor doing renovations does not need a license to work in Ct., they only need to be registered.
    Per Ct. gov. sites.
    I live in Stamford and this is not true. In order to receive a building permit the contractor must be licensed. The only exception is if the property owner is the contractor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Nobody should be throwing embers anywhere. Even if you throw them in a front yard, if they are still smoldering, they could start a fire. They need to be put into a metal container and dampened. But one should never dampen them while they are still in the fireplace. I don't believe anything was done on purpose. For one, it would be very difficult to control the outcome in case of fire. No way to know who is going to make it out alive. I think people don't know much about fireplace safety.
    Agree. I don't think this was anything other than pure negligence in disposing of the embers and fireplace residue. Sadly it is Ms. Badger's children and parents who perished in the most horrible manner as a result. My prayers for her recovery from what will probably haunt her forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    You claimed not to have posted something you did in fact post. I politely pointed out your error.

    How we "agree to disagree" on that escapes me.

    When my all-too-frequent errors are pointed out to me, I usually find "oops" an appropriate response.
    if i made an error i'd have said so. i didn't. you did not understand me. feel free to offer an "oops" if it makes you feel better.


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    Madonna Badger's screams for her children haunt firefighters at fatal Stamford fire


    "For Stamford's bravest, the gut-wrenching howl of Madonna Badger echoes as loudly now as it did in the darkness of Christmas morning."

    “My babies! My babies!” the mother of three wailed as firefighters arrived at the burning three-story home where her daughters were trapped. “My whole life is in there!”

    "The blaze was extinguished, the $1.7 million death house was razed, and the wounds of four injured department heroes are starting to heal."

    "But time won’t turn down the volume on Badger’s visceral cries, now carried each day by Stamford’s firefighters along with their helmets and boots."

    “The one thing they can’t get out of their minds is her screaming,” said Assistant Fire Chief Peter Brown. “That voice will stay with them for as long as they live.”



    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz1iD1qa917


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    Deadly Connecticut Fire Started by Ashes Removed for Santa

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    NEW HAVEN, Conn. – "Smoldering embers blamed for a Christmas morning house fire that killed three girls and their grandparents had been taken out of a fireplace so the children would not worry about Santa Claus coming down the chimney, two officials told The Associated Press Tuesday."

    "Two officials briefed on the investigation say the ashes were removed out of concerns for Santa. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Tuesday because the investigation is still under way."

    "Authorities say embers in a bag of discarded ashes started the blaze in Stamford that killed 10-year-old Lilly and 7-year-old twins Grace and Sarah Badger and their grandparents, Lomer and Pauline Johnson."

    "The girls' mother, Madonna Badger, escaped the fire along with a friend, Michael Borcina. Borcina and Badger were treated at a local hospital and released."

    "Fire officials have said Borcina is believed to have placed the ashes in or outside an entryway, near the trash."


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    My mind boggles. So they were concerned about Santa? Were they concerned Santa could get burned coming down the chimney? Shouldn't they have been worried about their home going up in flames instead?
    Just my opinion


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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/a...-fire-15283179

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    Stamford police are helping fire officials investigate the blaze. Police said Monday officials want to know if there were smoke alarms, the status of renovation work in the house and whether the contractor had permits.

    The issue of permits could figure in the investigation because the Connecticut Department of Consumer Protection has said that neither Borcina nor his company, Tiberias Construction Inc., was registered to perform home improvement work in Connecticut.

    Contractors are required to register with the state, though numerous building and other permits are issued by local officials.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    My mind boggles. So they were concerned about Santa? Were they concerned Santa could get burned coming down the chimney? Shouldn't they have been worried about their home going up in flames instead?
    Were the adults all drinking heavily that evening? That's the only explanation I can come up with for such an innane thing to do. If they had placed them in a metal bucket and put it outside away from the house they'd all still be alive.
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    I keep reading "bag"..... were ashes and embers really put into a paper or plastic bag? Such a sad story but I can't believe anyone would put hot ashes/embers into a bag and keep it in the house.


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