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    By the Way- We are in San Diego! 70 miles away from Los Angeles

    Lot's of WHAT if's running around my head this morning.

    I have already e-mailed our landlord asking for immediate cameras and signs and lights.

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    I used to live in West Hollywood (Flores Street and Fountain), and I can tell you that this is a HIGHLY populated area with people coming and going at all hours of the day. It would be very possible for someone to start fires even though people are around; well, the Laurel Canyon area isn't as busy as WeHo, but the areas where these fires have been set are very busy and there are always people milling about. It is a miracle that people haven't been hurt, and I pray that things stay this way.

    I don't know much about pyrotechnics,fires and arson, but does anyone know if it's possible to ignite a fire by remote control? I know it's highly unlikely, but I wonder if the owners of the cars that have been burned have recently taken their cars to the car wash or oil change shop? Is it possible that someone put something under these cars and then ignited it from a different location? Maybe that's a little far-fetched, but it's odd that since this news has broken, more fires have occurred, even now that people are being more vigilant in looking out for anything out of the ordinary.

    I also wonder if this is someone whose presence wouldn't arouse suspicion-some sort of repair person, city maintenance worker, or (I hate to say it) a firefighter? WeHo is it's own independent city/county island, so it would be serviced by LA county officials-sheriff, fire; and a different electrical company than the rest of LA. North Hollywood is part of the City of Los Angeles, so their services would be provided by LAPD, DWP, etc (I'm not sure about their fire department). If there's a way to get footage of the streets shortly before the fires broke out, it might be possible that we would see some sort of official vehicle at each of the sites.
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    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...t-for-now.html
    "Law enforcement sources told The Times that detectives were concerned that releasing more information could prompt the arsonist or arsonists to change tactics and encourage copycats.

    The sources said there was evidence connecting most of the fires. But investigators don't want to say what kind of fuel or ignition device was used, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of annoymity because the case was still ongoing"

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    I am worried that he is going to expand or change his territory. I think people in Hollywood areas are being very vigilant. My daughter's friend's neighborhood just had a large neighborhood watch meeting and they have their area being manned by volunteers 24/7 right now. It is near Fountain and Santa Monica so there are a lot of carports in the area. They are very worried about people being trapped in their homes at night.
    [Their main goal is to wake up any residents in case of the fire. It is not to try and 'stop' the arsonist. ]
    I think this guy is going to move to the Westside or even up to Ventura or down to Orange County.
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    I was extremely concerned about my son's location on Sweetzer in WeHo behind City Hall yesterday- couldn't decide if it was a safe location or a target location.
    I suppose I got the answer to that question the hard way. This arsonist(s)has no boundaries.
    I also think that since the areas hit are densely populated-it makes it even tougher to spot suspect activity- because there is so MUCH activity already in these areas.
    When I visit my son- we walk out the door and we can walk to all kinds of places to eat, drink and be entertained. People are on the street walking around at all hours of the night and day. One would have to really be looking in a lot of places to catch this activity.

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    FWIW,my son is in this picture with other residents and room mates in front of his housing complex on Sweetzer.
    http://framework.latimes.com/2011/12...rson-fires/#/4

    City Hall is immediately next door to the right and Hamburger Mary's is right on the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    I used to live in West Hollywood (Flores Street and Fountain), and I can tell you that this is a HIGHLY populated area with people coming and going at all hours of the day. It would be very possible for someone to start fires even though people are around; well, the Laurel Canyon area isn't as busy as WeHo, but the areas where these fires have been set are very busy and there are always people milling about. It is a miracle that people haven't been hurt, and I pray that things stay this way.

    I don't know much about pyrotechnics,fires and arson, but does anyone know if it's possible to ignite a fire by remote control? I know it's highly unlikely, but I wonder if the owners of the cars that have been burned have recently taken their cars to the car wash or oil change shop? Is it possible that someone put something under these cars and then ignited it from a different location? Maybe that's a little far-fetched, but it's odd that since this news has broken, more fires have occurred, even now that people are being more vigilant in looking out for anything out of the ordinary.

    I also wonder if this is someone whose presence wouldn't arouse suspicion-some sort of repair person, city maintenance worker, or (I hate to say it) a firefighter? WeHo is it's own independent city/county island, so it would be serviced by LA county officials-sheriff, fire; and a different electrical company than the rest of LA. North Hollywood is part of the City of Los Angeles, so their services would be provided by LAPD, DWP, etc (I'm not sure about their fire department). If there's a way to get footage of the streets shortly before the fires broke out, it might be possible that we would see some sort of official vehicle at each of the sites.
    If those are fires then I think it's very unlikely they are set up by remote control. Explosions would be another story.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakerie View Post
    The google map has been updated;

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...6&source=embed

    Remember though, this is NOT an "official" incident map...
    There is an entire series right by my house, maybe 0.75 miles away..."Toluca Woods" area (not where I live). There is also a series very, very close to where I lived in 1990-94, in an apartment directly over the carport. That was a very crowded, poor area, and prone to a lot of violence and gang activity.

    I will be taking certain preparedness actions for tonight...I've also changed all the batteries in the smoke detectors, added two to the property (I was going to use them to change out this year...but shoot, I'll use them now). I have repositioned the hoses at spigots next to the house. And the cars will be in the garage, which is detached. But the biggest concern by far is the alley next to my house...lots of trees, some deadwood in them. If that goes, it's game on, you know?

    I am have some concern. Not huge, but some. I am looking at the map, and it's a very straight line on the map, but what the map doesn't show is a series of hills (the Hollywood sign hill), which splits Los Angeles from the San Fernando Valley.

    There is a freeway which runs parallel to the general fire line, and goes through the hills, and is a major connector between the two areas. I'm wondering if they're not traveling the freeway, and just getting off, setting fires, and then getting back on. It's a bit too much for a bicycle, and a wayyy hard ride over the hill.

    I'm going to finish reading the thread, and if I have more comments, I'll post. Reality O, your son should be fine...

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    Anyone know what type of cars have been set on fire? Are there similarities: make/model/color/year/type of bumper stickers? West Hollywood is known as "Boystown" because it is home to a large amount of gay bars. It is also home to a very high percentage of Russian immigrants. My husband's first thought was that this might be a hate-crime. West Hollywood is also home to the Sunset Strip.

    Laurel Canyon and North Hollywood, however, are different types of neighborhoods. Laurel Canyon has a history of being a more bohemian neighborhood, favored by rock stars in the 60s and 70s. It's part of the Hollywood Hills, and has very expensive real estate. North Hollywood is far less glamorous than West Hollywood and Laurel Canyon. It's more of a typical middle-class Valley suburb. I can't think of anything that North Hollywood is "known for" (i.e. population demographics, types of businesses, real estate, etc). I wonder if the arsonist(s) live in North Hollywood? It's an easy drive from NoHo to WeHo, and Laurel Canyon is in between the two towns.

    I think I need to go back and look at pictures of the crime scenes. There are likely similarities other than just the location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    Anyone know what type of cars have been set on fire? Are there similarities: make/model/color/year/type of bumper stickers? West Hollywood is known as "Boystown" because it is home to a large amount of gay bars. It is also home to a very high percentage of Russian immigrants. My husband's first thought was that this might be a hate-crime. West Hollywood is also home to the Sunset Strip.

    Laurel Canyon and North Hollywood, however, are different types of neighborhoods. Laurel Canyon has a history of being a more bohemian neighborhood, favored by rock stars in the 60s and 70s. It's part of the Hollywood Hills, and has very expensive real estate. North Hollywood is far less glamorous than West Hollywood and Laurel Canyon. It's more of a typical middle-class Valley suburb. I can't think of anything that North Hollywood is "known for" (i.e. population demographics, types of businesses, real estate, etc). I wonder if the arsonist(s) live in North Hollywood? It's an easy drive from NoHo to WeHo, and Laurel Canyon is in between the two towns.

    I think I need to go back and look at pictures of the crime scenes. There are likely similarities other than just the location.
    The only similarity i can see so far is that the chosen areas are all areas that are big with the Entertainment Industry. It makes me wonder if he is a disgruntled film or tv employee. Someone who was rejected by the 'business.' West Hollywood, Hollywood and North Hollywood, all built upon the industry. imoo
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    The only similarity i can see so far is that the chosen areas are all areas that are big with the Entertainment Industry. It makes me wonder if he is a disgruntled film or tv employee. Someone who was rejected by the 'business.' West Hollywood, Hollywood and North Hollywood, all built upon the industry. imoo
    That's a good point, and if that is the case, then I hope Burbank and Beverly Hills residents are on high alert. Those two areas are a likely target for someone who is trying to get back at the industry.
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    One more thought.

    While we have had some severe Santa Ana events this year, we have had NO significant fires. None. Which is, honestly, surprising. I wonder if this arsonist is feeling..."unsatisfied" or something like that. It has also been really, really dry - I sparked Gracie's nose yesterday, and I've also had several bloody noses (which happen when it's this dry). So things are very flammable.

    Not sure what I'm feeling about this, other than appalled and horrified. I mean, I'm not sure if I think they'll come closer, or not. Just not sure.

    This sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    One more thought.

    While we have had some severe Santa Ana events this year, we have had NO significant fires. None. Which is, honestly, surprising. I wonder if this arsonist is feeling..."unsatisfied" or something like that. It has also been really, really dry - I sparked Gracie's nose yesterday, and I've also had several bloody noses (which happen when it's this dry). So things are very flammable.

    Not sure what I'm feeling about this, other than appalled and horrified. I mean, I'm not sure if I think they'll come closer, or not. Just not sure.

    This sucks.

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    Hang in there, Herding Cats! The people of LA are very strong and tough. We've lived through numerous serial killers, mudslides, riots, earthquakes and fires. Hopefully they'll catch this lunatic very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    The only similarity i can see so far is that the chosen areas are all areas that are big with the Entertainment Industry. It makes me wonder if he is a disgruntled film or tv employee. Someone who was rejected by the 'business.' West Hollywood, Hollywood and North Hollywood, all built upon the industry. imoo
    NoHo isn't too involved in the industry...it's pretty residential, except in one or two areas, which have not been hit. It's pretty high mile/person ratio, and while there are indeed a few areas that are in "show biz", most of the places are homes, apartments/houses/condos, and ancillary stuff (markets, shops, schools, houses of worship).

    I don't know much about WeHo, other than it's known to be "gay-friendly". I don't know if the other areas are similar (I don't think NoHo is particularly known for that). I don't think the connector is the industry or homosexuality, tbh...it's either something far easier (e.g. hopping off the freeway) or far more complicated (some pattern that hasn't been established yet).

    Just my gut...I've been very wrong often, so don't take my word for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    That's a good point, and if that is the case, then I hope Burbank and Beverly Hills residents are on high alert. Those two areas are a likely target for someone who is trying to get back at the industry.
    If you look at the map you can see why, perhaps, they have not gone there,yet. It seems like they are staying in a tight geographical area and not crossing over highway 5 or 405. So Burbank has been safe so far.

    I think Beverly Hills will remain safe because there are way too many surveillance cameras in that town. I think all of the Westside will be safe because of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    NoHo isn't too involved in the industry...it's pretty residential, except in one or two areas, which have not been hit. It's pretty high mile/person ratio, and while there are indeed a few areas that are in "show biz", most of the places are homes, apartments/houses/condos, and ancillary stuff (markets, shops, schools, houses of worship).

    I don't know much about WeHo, other than it's known to be "gay-friendly". I don't know if the other areas are similar (I don't think NoHo is particularly known for that). I don't think the connector is the industry or homosexuality, tbh...it's either something far easier (e.g. hopping off the freeway) or far more complicated (some pattern that hasn't been established yet).

    Just my gut...I've been very wrong often, so don't take my word for it.

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    NOHO is pretty involved in the porn industry. And there are a lot of technical support businesses all around NOHO. Like Sound studios and Film supply houses and that kind of thing. But I agree that it is not likely to be the trigger at all. He is probably just a crazy nutty arsonist who wants to stay close to home so he can smell the smoke from his back patio.
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    The arsonist likely has issues of rejection and feels rejected by society. He or she probably worked either in entertainment or fire fighter and somehow felt he was not treated well. He probably likes attention all the time and is doing it for it mixed with revenge.




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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    Hang in there, Herding Cats! The people of LA are very strong and tough. We've lived through numerous serial killers, mudslides, riots, earthquakes and fires. Hopefully they'll catch this lunatic very soon.
    My daughter was born just a couple of weeks after the riots of 92. I was so nervous during that time about not being able to get to the hospital on time. Seems like a million years ago now.

    I live up at the Ventura County line now. We have had awful wildfires in the past few years. And then droughts, and then the floods. This is just one more thing trying to prevent us living in paradise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    NoHo isn't too involved in the industry...it's pretty residential, except in one or two areas, which have not been hit. It's pretty high mile/person ratio, and while there are indeed a few areas that are in "show biz", most of the places are homes, apartments/houses/condos, and ancillary stuff (markets, shops, schools, houses of worship).

    I don't know much about WeHo, other than it's known to be "gay-friendly". I don't know if the other areas are similar (I don't think NoHo is particularly known for that). I don't think the connector is the industry or homosexuality, tbh...it's either something far easier (e.g. hopping off the freeway) or far more complicated (some pattern that hasn't been established yet).

    Just my gut...I've been very wrong often, so don't take my word for it.

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    Other than the fact that they both have "Hollywood" in their names, there really aren't any similarities between North and West Hollywood. They are connected by Laurel Canyon Boulevard, though, so it would be very, very easy for the arsonists to travel between the two areas. The Laurel Canyon fire is right in between the two areas. Laurel Canyon Blvd is a windy, mountainous road in the Hollywood Hills section. It's pretty flat on both sides of the hills. I used to work in the Valley, so I would travel this road daily for many years. I hated the part that went up into the hills because I would always, always lose cell phone reception.

    I'm willing to bet that Laurel Canyon Blvd is the route that the arsonist is using. I doubt that they're using a bike, unless we're talking about two separate arsonists. Whether taking Laurel Canyon or some other route, a mountain is in between those two areas, and there's just no way around it (well, unless they swim, but then they'd still have to navigate over a mountain once they left the beach, and the ocean is about 10 miles or so away from West Hollywood and even further from NoHo ) Another possible route is Coldwater Canyon Boulevard or the Hollywood Fwy. Either way, there's a mountain to navigate.
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    Or...maybe it's possible that the arsonist lives up in the Laurel Canyon area. They would be able to see the smoke on both sides of their house. If I recall correctly, only one of the fires have occurred in that area. The rest have been on both sides of the hill.
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    Color coded by date map of suspected fires...

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...2657.htmlstory

    And I'm thinking the closest one to my house would be about 1 mile. It will be interesting to see what tonight brings...especially considering tomorrow is a holiday for most folks...

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    Marie-Chantal, I'm thinking (like I said above) that the route is the Hollywood Freeway. Does go right through the majority of the fires, and connects with the others via the 5 (the loop from the Hollywood to the 5 is a quick, easy, generally wide open route except during rush hour).

    I'm fairly sure that to be able to cover the distances the arsonist seems to be covering, he's using the freeways...and while Laurel is a good bet (and I need to double check the map for it's ending point in the SFV), I'm thinking that the use of the freeways puts him in close proximity to all fires, with on/off ramps relatively close for ease of access/get away.

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    ETA: the smoke from the fires wouldn't be 'smell-able', I don't think, from one area to the other area. And it's far too far to see the fires, even at night...too 'small' for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    Or...maybe it's possible that the arsonist lives up in the Laurel Canyon area. They would be able to see the smoke on both sides of their house. If I recall correctly, only one of the fires have occurred in that area. The rest have been on both sides of the hill.
    If he is driving a Lexus then maybe he does live up on Laurel Canyon. It seems odd that he would set a fire anywhere near there if he lived on that road though. People are so paranoid about fire up there because it is so heavily wooded and so much brush, and you only have one point of exit, and that is Laurel canyon itself. All of those back roads lead back to Laurel Canyon Blvd.

    I think he just drives that road a lot, like many of us have for years. It is a major artery between those towns. But like you said, there was only that one fire up there, so maybe he had a beef with those people. I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    Marie-Chantal, I'm thinking (like I said above) that the route is the Hollywood Freeway. Does go right through the majority of the fires, and connects with the others via the 5 (the loop from the Hollywood to the 5 is a quick, easy, generally wide open route except during rush hour).

    I'm fairly sure that to be able to cover the distances the arsonist seems to be covering, he's using the freeways...and while Laurel is a good bet (and I need to double check the map for it's ending point in the SFV), I'm thinking that the use of the freeways puts him in close proximity to all fires, with on/off ramps relatively close for ease of access/get away.

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    ETA: the smoke from the fires wouldn't be 'smell-able', I don't think, from one area to the other area. And it's far too far to see the fires, even at night...too 'small' for that.
    I agree about the 5. It seems to be adjacent to everything. And it is so crowded all of the time that anyone would just blend in to traffic. I wonder if there are any of those red light traffic cams at any of the big intersections around there anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    Color coded by date map of suspected fires...

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...2657.htmlstory

    And I'm thinking the closest one to my house would be about 1 mile. It will be interesting to see what tonight brings...especially considering tomorrow is a holiday for most folks...

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    WOW. there is one thing that is really interesting on that color coded map. Click on it and notice there is ONE point of the map that has a fire that was set on all 3 days. Only one tiny point that had an intersection of the 3 days.

    ETA2; THE TARGET AREA SEEMS TO BE HOLLYWOOD BLVD BETWEEN LA BREA AND HIGHLAND

    It was the area of Sycamore and Citrus, near Fountain. Now I understand why my friend who lives right off Fountain had such a large turnout in the neighborhood watch. That makes me think that this is the original target area. It is the only area that he set on fire ALL three nights. Hmmmmm

    ETA
    1336 N Citrus Ave.= Thursday


    1769 N Orange Drive=Friday

    1680 N Sycamore Ave=Saturday[Los Angeles Recording Studios & Mix StudiosJ E Sound Productions is located at 1680 N Sycamore Ave Los Angeles,
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