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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Actually, there was high water from storms in the area that Caylee was found almost 6 months later.
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    As far as Kansas City goes, there WERE high waters at this time. As a matter of fact, the main interstate was closed down for several months because it was totally flooded. I don't think that this matter though, since I believe that Lisa was thrown into the river. This flooding and high water would only serve to make it easier to dispose of her body.
    Do you have a link for the "matter of fact"?

    What do you consider "*the* main interstate" in Kansas City?

    I-35? I-70? I-29? I-670? There isn't a "main" interstate in Kansas City and any interstate closures were an hour plus from the Irwin-Bradley residence. Well at least from high water. Now a wreck seemingly shuts down an interstate every day.

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    I do not believe that JI could have come home and then done anything to harm her, or to dispose of her, because there was not enough time. I do believe that LE knew what time he left the Starbucks. And if he had been away from the site for any length of time, they would have known that as well.

    So, imo, the only way he could have known anything or helped would have been IF it happened before he went to work. And I am still on the fence about that.

    It just seems so odd and suspicious to me that NOBODY can step forward on the record, apparently, and say they saw that precious baby up and around and alive and well during that afternoon and evening. All we got was remote hearsay on the magazine timeline implying that SB saw her in her crib at 4:30, and her 4 yr old saw her at 6:30.

    When my DD was that age she was the CENTER of attention. No way someone could come to my house from late afternoon until 10:30 pm, and NOT SEE my little baby girl.
    Even if she had been sick---no, ESPECIALLY if she had been sick. That whole thing just makes me way suspicious of them all that evening.
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    Jeremy knows a lot. He knows his baby is gone forever. I would love to hear him on the 911 tape. I also would like to know what he was doing for x20 min before the call. I am also willing to believe it may have been longer than 20 minutes...since they both seem to minimize time to their advantage.

    He put forth that an intruder stole the phones so they couldn't call 911. I am guessing that was to give alibi for him/her taking so long to dial 911. He appears to be subtle.crafty when he speaks of "who did it". One can get the impression he is blaming her but wants to protect them both at this time. The fact that he refuses to speak to LE alone tells me he is afraid they will break him. He has information..and plenty of it.

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    There were 2 children in the home whom we know were interviewed immediately and then later.

    I would think one of the first things LE would of wanted established is if they saw their sister as well as a timeline. They were interviewed by professionals and I would think that these 2 children (and maybe 3 if SB's daughter was interviewed as well) would of been able to provide enough information to LE to satisfy them that BL was in fact there and seen alive.

    If anything came out of those interviews to the contrary I would have a very difficult time believing that either of them would still be in that home. CPS would of been notified and would of become involved.

    I see no indication that CPS is involved. The children still remain in the home with the parents.

    Thus I find it very difficult at this point to be stating that she was missing prior as some have posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allusonz View Post
    There were 2 children in the home whom we know were interviewed immediately and then later.

    I would think one of the first things LE would of wanted established is if they saw their sister as well as a timeline. They were interviewed by professionals and I would think that these 2 children (and maybe 3 if SB's daughter was interviewed as well) would of been able to provide enough information to LE to satisfy them that BL was in fact there and seen alive.

    If anything came out of those interviews to the contrary I would have a very difficult time believing that either of them would still be in that home. CPS would of been notified and would of become involved.

    I see no indication that CPS is involved. The children still remain in the home with the parents.

    Thus I find it very difficult at this point to be stating that she was missing prior as some have posted.
    I keep coming back to this as well in regard to whether BL was alive and well prior to 6:40pm. Yes, we do not have anyone saying they saw BL prior to that time but we do have a number of possible folks that could of seen BL (PN, SB, boys, SB's daughter) and all of those folks would of told LE this. If LE believes that BL was missing as early as Sunday, they have given no indication of this.

    I think the reason there hasn't been a whole lot of reporting/information as far as where DB/BL/JI was prior to BL missing is simply there isn't enough information to make that relevant. The media has sources, many of those sources have ears within LE and I am fairly confident that if sources were tipping off media that LE believed the child was missing much earlier than we are all lead to believe, I think you would of saw more poking around those events (where was DB during the day, where was JI during the day, did the boys go to school, etc).

    I also question the reasoning behind wanting to believe the timeline, specifically the last time BL was seen, is inaccurate? Is it because if you don't change the timeline, the chances of JI being involved go down significantly and because many now believe JI is involved, the timeline must be adjusted? Or is there some fact that I have been missing that directly points to BL not being around for a day and a half.

    One thing I have not seen is hypothetically, if BL had been missing as early as late Sunday, how does that explain the events of the evening of Oct. 3rd? How does that explain DB drinking on the porch for 4 hours? How does that explain the missing cell phones? Did DB know her daughter was dead by the time she went out on the porch and casually drank with her neighbor? Did the boys ever notice that their baby sister was missing for over 24 hours? Why did JI decide to call cops when he came home? I don't expect anyone to really answer these questions, my point is having BL gone for longer than we are lead to believe brings up more questions about that night than we had already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I do not believe that JI could have come home and then done anything to harm her, or to dispose of her, because there was not enough time. I do believe that LE knew what time he left the Starbucks. And if he had been away from the site for any length of time, they would have known that as well.

    So, imo, the only way he could have known anything or helped would have been IF it happened before he went to work. And I am still on the fence about that.

    It just seems so odd and suspicious to me that NOBODY can step forward on the record, apparently, and say they saw that precious baby up and around and alive and well during that afternoon and evening. All we got was remote hearsay on the magazine timeline implying that SB saw her in her crib at 4:30, and her 4 yr old saw her at 6:30.

    When my DD was that age she was the CENTER of attention. No way someone could come to my house from late afternoon until 10:30 pm, and NOT SEE my little baby girl.
    Even if she had been sick---no, ESPECIALLY if she had been sick. That whole thing just makes me way suspicious of them all that evening.
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    But you see, that is the rub. There may be people (PN, SB, boys) that did see BL at certain points in time during the day and they have told LE this. Why must it be said in front of a camera (or made public) in order to be validated?

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    If Lisa was sleeping hard from intoxication. Jeremy could have come home and had lots of time to take Lisa away either healthy or not. Is it possible Jeremy knows what happened and Lisa does not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2four717 View Post
    If Lisa was sleeping hard from intoxication. Jeremy could have come home and had lots of time to take Lisa away either healthy or not. Is it possible Jeremy knows what happened and Lisa does not?
    I think you mean DB, not lisa.

    If your scenario is true, that leaves a gap in time away from his work that neither the video or his boss (who was working with him that night) cannot account for. LE has gave no indication that there are issues with JI being at work at the times he said he was. They made that pretty clear early in the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2four717 View Post
    If Lisa was sleeping hard from intoxication. Jeremy could have come home and had lots of time to take Lisa away either healthy or not. Is it possible Jeremy knows what happened and Lisa does not?
    That's an interesting theory to mull over. If such a scenario were to take place, JI would be hugely sadistic to stand by and watch DB take the heat in the court of public opinion.

    One thing I am curious about, if JI knows nothing, how he isn't positively eaten up with suspicion. Even if DB is innocent, I would think a normal human reaction to the story laid out would garner a healthy dose of suspicion. He seems to be standing united with her. Does he harbor even a shred of suspicion against DB?

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    I do mean DB. I apologize for the careless error. Multi tasking is a mistake for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I do not believe that JI could have come home and then done anything to harm her, or to dispose of her, because there was not enough time. I do believe that LE knew what time he left the Starbucks. And if he had been away from the site for any length of time, they would have known that as well.

    So, imo, the only way he could have known anything or helped would have been IF it happened before he went to work. And I am still on the fence about that.

    It just seems so odd and suspicious to me that NOBODY can step forward on the record, apparently, and say they saw that precious baby up and around and alive and well during that afternoon and evening. All we got was remote hearsay on the magazine timeline implying that SB saw her in her crib at 4:30, and her 4 yr old saw her at 6:30.

    When my DD was that age she was the CENTER of attention. No way someone could come to my house from late afternoon until 10:30 pm, and NOT SEE my little baby girl.
    Even if she had been sick---no, ESPECIALLY if she had been sick. That whole thing just makes me way suspicious of them all that evening.
    One thing I've thought about: if someone is truly a witness to something that might shed light on what happened to Lisa, I am glad if they don't go to the media with it. Because that might give a head's up to the person or persons involved, or (if you are of the belief that DB and/or JI are guilty) give the DT advance notice of what a witness might say and time to try to discredit that witness.

    It's one reason I think Samantha Brando might actually know something and have been asked by LE not to speak with media about it. It also might be one reason Jersey has been kept so secluded from the media--maybe he saw something, even if he isn't involved. The fact that everyone who might be a witness isn't blabbing all over the media and going on talk shows actually gives me hope that LE might have something.

    JMO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
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    But you see, that is the rub. There may be people (PN, SB, boys) that did see BL at certain points in time during the day and they have told LE this. Why must it be said in front of a camera (or made public) in order to be validated?
    They put a timeline in their People magazine article. Why wasn't PN's sighting included then? Why would they bother to put a 4 yr old's purported sighting of the baby if they had all of these other ones as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minette View Post
    One thing I've thought about: if someone is truly a witness to something that might shed light on what happened to Lisa, I am glad if they don't go to the media with it. Because that might give a head's up to the person or persons involved, or (if you are of the belief that DB and/or JI are guilty) give the DT advance notice of what a witness might say and time to try to discredit that witness.

    It's one reason I think Samantha Brando might actually know something and have been asked by LE not to speak with media about it. It also might be one reason Jersey has been kept so secluded from the media--maybe he saw something, even if he isn't involved. The fact that everyone who might be a witness isn't blabbing all over the media and going on talk shows actually gives me hope that LE might have something.

    JMO!
    People have said that SB has spent a whole lot of time with the Bradley's since the kidnapping. She and DB are apparently as close as ever. So I doubt that she is talking to LE as a witness for the prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    They put a timeline in their People magazine article. Why wasn't PN's sighting included then? Why would they bother to put a 4 yr old's purported sighting of the baby if they had all of these other ones as well?
    Where did the timeline come from in the People magazine article? How do we know PN didn't tell LE that he saw BL before he took DB to the store? My point was exactly that, how do we know who saw and didn't saw if that information was only given to LE? Nobody has went public with their version of events, about anything (sightings, time they were in DB's house, etc).

    The 4 yr old purported sighting did not come from LE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    People have said that SB has spent a whole lot of time with the Bradley's since the kidnapping. She and DB are apparently as close as ever. So I doubt that she is talking to LE as a witness for the prosecution.
    So you believe she would lie for DB to LE, to cover up the disappearance of a baby? What information leads you to believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    So you believe she would lie for DB to LE, to cover up the disappearance of a baby? What information leads you to believe that?
    to me......it's a two-part question. What did he know before 4 a.m. Oct. 4 and what does he know now or believe or think now?

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    This is indeed a two part question. How much did Jeremy know (as well as LE) in the beginning, and how much knowledge have they since gleaned? It is very difficult to say because nothing is really being released.

    Time doesn't stand still in an investigation, and alot is going on behind the scenes. It doesn't help to say people are "gleeful" for the parents to be arrested, I believe everyone here just wants justice for Baby Lisa, and whoever is responsible, be it the parents, and intruder, et.al. be brought up for charges.

    Hopefully, if we ever find out who is responsible, we will find out why. Finding out why this happened, may help us as a society, learn more, help more and save more children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Jacy View Post
    I believe everyone here just wants justice for Baby Lisa, and whoever is responsible, be it the parents, and intruder, et.al. be brought up for charges.

    Hopefully, if we ever find out who is responsible, we will find out why. Finding out why this happened, may help us as a society, learn more, help more and save more children.
    Respectfully snipped & BBM: Yes, ma'am, exactly that! And I want the RIGHT person(s) to be held responsible, and I want them to have a completely fair trial based on facts, and then I want them to be put away for as long as the law will allow. Because Lisa deserves no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Jacy View Post
    This is indeed a two part question. How much did Jeremy know (as well as LE) in the beginning, and how much knowledge have they since gleaned? It is very difficult to say because nothing is really being released.

    Time doesn't stand still in an investigation, and alot is going on behind the scenes. It doesn't help to say people are "gleeful" for the parents to be arrested, I believe everyone here just wants justice for Baby Lisa, and whoever is responsible, be it the parents, and intruder, et.al. be brought up for charges.

    Hopefully, if we ever find out who is responsible, we will find out why. Finding out why this happened, may help us as a society, learn more, help more and save more children.
    In addition, that would depend on when we think the "beginning" was.

    If one believes that DB and JI are both innocent, then the "beginning" was when he walked in the door the morning of Lisa's reported "abduction".

    If one believes that only DB is guilty, then it also would be the "beginning" for JI.

    For those of us who feel that JI is involved with the death of Lisa and disposal of her body, then the "beginning" could be as far back as Sunday night. In this case, the 911 call would have been the "end" to at least this episode of the situation. The next episode would then start when LE arrived on scene at the Irwin home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minette View Post
    Respectfully snipped & BBM: Yes, ma'am, exactly that! And I want the RIGHT person(s) to be held responsible, and I want them to have a completely fair trial based on facts, and then I want them to be put away for as long as the law will allow. Because Lisa deserves no less.
    BBM

    I think that is a given, and it is our justice system.

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    Also, another thing that Jeremy knows is that Jeremy does NOT want to lose his son. He doesn't want his son to be anywhere but with him. And, I believe that Jeremy knows that the only way to keep his son with him is to never admit to anything and to make sure that DB knows not to admit to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye View Post
    A prominent theory in this case is that Deborah killed Lisa (either accidentally or on purpose) and it was covered up and made it like like a baby abduction. Jeremy was at work when this supposedly happened. Why would Jeremy agree to a coverup if he had nothing to do with Lisa's death? Or does he think that Lisa was really kidnapped?
    I do believe that Jeremy was at work when Lisa disappeared. I don't believe that Jeremy agreed to a coverup. I do believe that Jeremy thinks that Lisa was kidnapped. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    People have said that SB has spent a whole lot of time with the Bradley's since the kidnapping. She and DB are apparently as close as ever. So I doubt that she is talking to LE as a witness for the prosecution.
    Actually, ONE person said DB and SB are seen in their front yards all the time. I find that hard to believe NOW because SB moved out a while ago. She's divorcing JB and it's doubtful she hangs out there. JMO.

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    I don't find it odd Vlpate. I can't imagine DB staying indoors. She loves to talk. I get the impression she would never stay within the confines of one place for any great length of time. What does she do all day? Why doesn't she work? Or get a license to drive?

    Is JI back to work full time? Is his company van still parked in the driveway? Do the neighbors who live there ever see them? We know there are some close by, don't they see JI/DB?

    How much does Jeremy work now that he doesn't have to worry about his bills being paid? I stand by my statement that Jeremy knows what happened but what is he doing now that his money problems may be resolved for awhile?

    Why isn't the media doing a follow-up on this couple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Also, another thing that Jeremy knows is that Jeremy does NOT want to lose his son. He doesn't want his son to be anywhere but with him. And, I believe that Jeremy knows that the only way to keep his son with him is to never admit to anything and to make sure that DB knows not to admit to anything.
    You nailed it!

    I can't get passed JI's remark to JP when asked who could have taken Lisa. His response: "Somebody who cheats on her husband". This was an unfiltered remark and I am convinced he was referring to DB. It was a subtle phrase to warn her he is suspicious and knows more than he is allowed to say.

    I can only imagine how he has played the game with the mother of his son. What a shame these boys are left in that household. How many times have we seen the other children left in the house to be raised by the suspect?

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