1238 users online (196 members and 1042 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 2 of 50 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 12 ... LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 736
  1. #16
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    portland, Ore
    Posts
    18,228
    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    The foreigner, Thanks for this thread. I am bringing over my post from the rumor thread.....

    I have been wondering why the killer has no known victims in 2008 and also why the GB4 all went missing in the Summer months. This led me to speculate that the person may travel and was away from LI in 2008. Because many New Yorkers travel to FL in the winter and spend summers in NY, I wondered if SK is one of those who migrate south in the winter and perhaps spent 2008 in FL to establish proof of residency there as FL has no state income taxes, IIRC, (unless it has changed). I have also considered that the SK travels up and down the East coast on business trips.

    So that led me to review the Daytona4 to check for any dates in 2008. There were none but I found something interesting about the dates which I'll post with other info at the end of this post.

    Then just for the heck of it I checked the dates of the AC4 and found those dates interesting also as it DOES make me wonder if this person travels the East coast and changes his MO with his location and the situation it provides to procure his victims. There were no AC victims in 2008.

    Here is info on the victims.......

    GB4-wrapped in burlap, possible asphixiation, all disappeared in summer

    Maureen Brainard Barnes......last seen July 09, 2007
    Melissa Barthelemy.............last seen July 12, 2009
    Megan Waterman................last seen June 6, 2010 (6-6 is actually spring)
    Amber Costello...................last seen Sept 2, 2010

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_16...in;contentBody

    AC4-All victims found in a ditch, strangled, no shoes or socks, all found in Fall, Nov. 20, 2006

    Molly Dilts.........................last seen 10-07-2006
    Barbara Brieder..................last seen 10-17-2006
    Tracy Ann Roberts..............last seen 11-??-2006
    Kim Raffo..........................last seen 11-19-2006

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_16...in;contentBody

    DB4-All victims found nude, killed by gunshot to the head. All murdered in Winter, 2005-2007.

    LaQuetta Gunther..............killed.......12-24-2005.
    Julie Green.......................killed........01-??-2006
    Iwanna Patton..................killed........02-??-2006
    Stacy Gage.......................killed........12-??-2007 (found in 2008)


    http://www.news-journalonline.com/ne...isappears.html

    Where is 2008?

    IF these case are connected, and I am not saying they are, then could the perp have undergone a 'life change' in 2008 that caused him to stop his killing? Did any of our usual suspects have a 'life change' in 2008?

    Independently or collectively, it is bugging me that there are no known victims in 2008 in any of these 3 cases. It also bugs me that the victims were killed in groups of 4 on the East coast, it bugs me that each group of 4 were murdered in different seasons, it bugs me that each set of victims, ie, GB4, AC4, DB4, were murdered in a different manner, but the 4 victims in each location were murdered in the same manner. AND it bugs me that many of the collective victims were murdered on or around holiday seasons.

    Just thinking outside the box. thoughts?

    MOO
    wm
    Your post made me think about a poster we had here who was totally into studying the murders up and down the East Coast. He said they were all along a main hwy, and I remember it was during the time Mohammed and his buddy killed those people with shotguns.

    I can't think of this posters name, but he was a wealth of knowledge. His name was a bit unusual too. Wish I could find him as anything around 2006 he would have looked into.

    Does anyone remember this poster? He lived on the East Coast and was sure there was a SK traveling up and down the Eastern seaboard cities.

    I'll go look in the first threads on the AC murders. Maybe he posted there. Ta

  2. #17
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    383
    Could the LISK be a Copy Cat Killer? Maybe he is killing in groups of 4 to pay tribute to his SK "heroes". I found this about Burlap used in Serial Killings from the past.

    http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller...FF_vassili.php

    "Vasili led his captors to the dumping grounds where five more corpses lay in burlap bags."

    This could explain why the method of discarding his victims is different.
    This is just a theory and MOO.

  3. #18
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    in the moment
    Posts
    6,605
    Quote Originally Posted by scandi View Post
    Your post made me think about a poster we had here who was totally into studying the murders up and down the East Coast. He said they were all along a main hwy, and I remember it was during the time Mohammed and his buddy killed those people with shotguns.

    I can't think of this posters name, but he was a wealth of knowledge. His name was a bit unusual too. Wish I could find him as anything around 2006 he would have looked into.

    Does anyone remember this poster? He lived on the East Coast and was sure there was a SK traveling up and down the Eastern seaboard cities.

    I'll go look in the first threads on the AC murders. Maybe he posted there. Ta
    Thanks scandi, I do recall the poster but cannot remember his name. Lemme know if you find anything.

    wm
    ...and be sure your sin will find you out.

    Numbers,32:23

  4. #19
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    in the moment
    Posts
    6,605
    ~snipped from above post #6, additional info added in red~

    GB4-wrapped in burlap, possible asphixiation, all disappeared in summer

    Maureen Brainard Barnes......last seen July 09, 2007 Monday, waning quarter moon, July 4 was the prior Wednesday

    Melissa Barthelemy.............last seen July 12, 2009Sunday, waning gibbous moon, July 4th was one week and one day prior on a Saturday.

    Megan Waterman................last seen June 6, 2010 (6-6 is actually spring)Sunday, waning crescent moon, Memorial Day was 6 days prior on Monday 5-31

    Amber Costello...................last seen Sept 2, 2010 Thursday, waning quarter moon, Labor day was 4 days later on Mon. Sept 6

    Ok, here's what I theorize about the killer of the GB4.....

    He is married with children and lives on LI. The wife and kid(s) travel on vacation maybe for an extended visit to relatives while school is on hiatus and he stays behind. "When the cat's away the mice will play." (as the saying goes) I doubt the wife has any idea of his secret life. It is not uncommon for those in a loveless marriage to live separate lives but stay together 'for the children's sake'?

    The moon phases intrigue me. Could he plan so meticously that he captures his victim on a waning moon and holds them for a few days to do his dastardly deeds and then disposes of them on the night of the new moon when it is a dark night? My guess is yes, IMHO this is a highly organized killer. However, I betcha this killer likes to party with booze and coke and gamble as he most likely has a grandiose opinion of his own self.

    Now, IF, big if, he is also responsible for the AC4 and DB4, my guess is because he must travel away from the family during the school year to keep his crimes a secret. The AC murders occured in Oct/Nov 2006 and the DB murders occured in Dec/Jan/Feb of 2005, 2006 & 2007 He has a bit more freedom on the road than he does on LI and there is no reason to wrap his victims in these other locations as he is just passing through or on a gambling vacation to casinos or dog tracks. Also, he doesn't have access to burlap on the road. It would also defeat the purpose to stay anonymous if he used the same disposal/killing method for each location as he is organized and in control.

    Do any of our LI locals know when the school year ends in NY? Does it end before the Memorial day holiday? If the school year ends after June 6, (Megan's last seen date) then this theory may not hold water but if I would especially be interested in seeing a school calender for NY in 2010.

    Here's my source for the moon phases....

    .http://www.wunderground.com/history/...tename=NA&MR=1

    Hope this all makes sense as I am just thinking and typing.

    wm
    ...and be sure your sin will find you out.

    Numbers,32:23

  5. #20
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    907
    @waltzingmatilda-

    Once again, impressive research!

  6. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    ~snipped from above post #6, additional info added in red~

    GB4-wrapped in burlap, possible asphixiation, all disappeared in summer

    Maureen Brainard Barnes......last seen July 09, 2007 Monday, waning quarter moon, July 4 was the prior Wednesday

    Melissa Barthelemy.............last seen July 12, 2009Sunday, waning gibbous moon, July 4th was one week and one day prior on a Saturday.

    Megan Waterman................last seen June 6, 2010 (6-6 is actually spring)Sunday, waning crescent moon, Memorial Day was 6 days prior on Monday 5-31

    Amber Costello...................last seen Sept 2, 2010 Thursday, waning quarter moon, Labor day was 4 days later on Mon. Sept 6

    Ok, here's what I theorize about the killer of the GB4.....

    He is married with children and lives on LI. The wife and kid(s) travel on vacation maybe for an extended visit to relatives while school is on hiatus and he stays behind. "When the cat's away the mice will play." (as the saying goes) I doubt the wife has any idea of his secret life. It is not uncommon for those in a loveless marriage to live separate lives but stay together 'for the children's sake'?

    The moon phases intrigue me. Could he plan so meticously that he captures his victim on a waning moon and holds them for a few days to do his dastardly deeds and then disposes of them on the night of the new moon when it is a dark night? My guess is yes, IMHO this is a highly organized killer. However, I betcha this killer likes to party with booze and coke and gamble as he most likely has a grandiose opinion of his own self.

    Now, IF, big if, he is also responsible for the AC4 and DB4, my guess is because he must travel away from the family during the school year to keep his crimes a secret. The AC murders occured in Oct/Nov 2006 and the DB murders occured in Dec/Jan/Feb of 2005, 2006 & 2007 He has a bit more freedom on the road than he does on LI and there is no reason to wrap his victims in these other locations as he is just passing through or on a gambling vacation to casinos or dog tracks. Also, he doesn't have access to burlap on the road. It would also defeat the purpose to stay anonymous if he used the same disposal/killing method for each location as he is organized and in control.

    Do any of our LI locals know when the school year ends in NY? Does it end before the Memorial day holiday? If the school year ends after June 6, (Megan's last seen date) then this theory may not hold water but if I would especially be interested in seeing a school calender for NY in 2010.

    Here's my source for the moon phases....

    .http://www.wunderground.com/history/...tename=NA&MR=1

    Hope this all makes sense as I am just thinking and typing.

    wm
    WM, dude...

    No. Disagree. June, July, early Sept.?

    Think "heat", not kids.

    If Joel Rifkin is right, which we shouldn't discount, the timing suggests a seasonal worker or someone exposed to the elements. When it gets hot, they get horny. I'm thinking like some dumb a$$ with a bad air conditioner, passing "whores" all day long while driving around all day. Hmm, who could I be thinking about???

  7. #22
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    550
    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    ~snipped from above post #6, additional info added in red~

    GB4-wrapped in burlap, possible asphixiation, all disappeared in summer

    Maureen Brainard Barnes......last seen July 09, 2007 Monday, waning quarter moon, July 4 was the prior Wednesday

    Melissa Barthelemy.............last seen July 12, 2009Sunday, waning gibbous moon, July 4th was one week and one day prior on a Saturday.

    Megan Waterman................last seen June 6, 2010 (6-6 is actually spring)Sunday, waning crescent moon, Memorial Day was 6 days prior on Monday 5-31

    Amber Costello...................last seen Sept 2, 2010 Thursday, waning quarter moon, Labor day was 4 days later on Mon. Sept 6

    Ok, here's what I theorize about the killer of the GB4.....

    He is married with children and lives on LI. The wife and kid(s) travel on vacation maybe for an extended visit to relatives while school is on hiatus and he stays behind. "When the cat's away the mice will play." (as the saying goes) I doubt the wife has any idea of his secret life. It is not uncommon for those in a loveless marriage to live separate lives but stay together 'for the children's sake'?

    The moon phases intrigue me. Could he plan so meticously that he captures his victim on a waning moon and holds them for a few days to do his dastardly deeds and then disposes of them on the night of the new moon when it is a dark night? My guess is yes, IMHO this is a highly organized killer. However, I betcha this killer likes to party with booze and coke and gamble as he most likely has a grandiose opinion of his own self.

    Now, IF, big if, he is also responsible for the AC4 and DB4, my guess is because he must travel away from the family during the school year to keep his crimes a secret. The AC murders occured in Oct/Nov 2006 and the DB murders occured in Dec/Jan/Feb of 2005, 2006 & 2007 He has a bit more freedom on the road than he does on LI and there is no reason to wrap his victims in these other locations as he is just passing through or on a gambling vacation to casinos or dog tracks. Also, he doesn't have access to burlap on the road. It would also defeat the purpose to stay anonymous if he used the same disposal/killing method for each location as he is organized and in control.

    Do any of our LI locals know when the school year ends in NY?
    Does it end before the Memorial day holiday? If the school year ends after June 6, (Megan's last seen date) then this theory may not hold water but if I would especially be interested in seeing a school calender for NY in 2010.

    Here's my source for the moon phases....

    .http://www.wunderground.com/history/...tename=NA&MR=1

    Hope this all makes sense as I am just thinking and typing.

    wm

    School ends at the end of June. In 2010 it would have been June 25th.

  8. #23
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    424
    Just wanted to let you guys know that there's a new show on ID called Dark Minds with author M. Willam Phelps and profiler John Kelly and next week they are exploring possible connections between the AC murders and the LISK.

    http://investigation.discovery.com/t...-guide-02.html

  9. #24
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    in the moment
    Posts
    6,605
    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    WM, dude...

    No. Disagree. June, July, early Sept.?

    Think "heat", not kids.

    If Joel Rifkin is right, which we shouldn't discount, the timing suggests a seasonal worker or someone exposed to the elements. When it gets hot, they get horny. I'm thinking like some dumb a$$ with a bad air conditioner, passing "whores" all day long while driving around all day. Hmm, who could I be thinking about???
    Well, the title of this thread begins with Possible connections.

    I guess we just have to agree to disagree about one's children influencing their decisions. (I base this on personal experience from my first marriage to a philanderer who was a master at scheduling in order to keep me in the dark. He wasn't the nice minister's son and family man that then young, naive wm thought he was.)

    I'm not so sure about the heat thing but perhaps it could be a stressor for a SK. Could the reason for the girls missing in the summer months be because there is more activity on LI and more prey from which to choose during the summer? I don't live there so IDK.

    My mind is certainly not closed to a trucker being the SK. However, I try and keep an open mind and explore all possibilties/theories/patterns, etc.

    MOO

    wm
    ...and be sure your sin will find you out.

    Numbers,32:23

  10. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Well, the title of this thread begins with Possible connections.

    I guess we just have to agree to disagree about one's children influencing their decisions. (I base this on personal experience from my first marriage to a philanderer who was a master at scheduling in order to keep me in the dark. He wasn't the nice minister's son and family man that then young, naive wm thought he was.)

    I'm not so sure about the heat thing but perhaps it could be a stressor for a SK. Could the reason for the girls missing in the summer months be because there is more activity on LI and more prey from which to choose during the summer? I don't live there so IDK.

    My mind is certainly not closed to a trucker being the SK. However, I try and keep an open mind and explore all possibilties/theories/patterns, etc.

    MOO

    wm
    Hmm, I guess I was being a bit close minded. Thanks for calling it. Ya know, I spent some time looking at the different SKs (Daytona, Hawaii, NJ, CA, etc.) to see if any seem related to any of the POIs, and I found out it's tempting to think that they are, but its a stretch.

    After thinking about it again, I think your approach to the dates/seasons makes sense, as far as an east coast mobile killer (I had only read the snipped version that referenced moons - sorry!).

    But check this out:
    From: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu.../serial-murder

    "Myth: All serial murderers travel and operate interstate.

    Most serial killers have very defined geographic areas of operation. They conduct their killings within comfort zones that are often defined by an anchor point (e.g. place of residence, employment, or residence of a relative). Serial murderers will, at times, spiral their activities outside of their comfort zone, when their confidence has grown through experience or to avoid detection. Very few serial murderers travel interstate to kill.

    The few serial killers who do travel interstate to kill fall into a few categories:

    Itinerant individuals who move from place to place.
    Homeless individuals who are transients.
    Individuals whose employment lends itself to interstate or transnational travel, such as truck drivers or those in military service.

    The difference between these types of offenders and other serial murderers is the nature of their traveling lifestyle, which provides them with many zones of comfort in which to operate.


  11. #26
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    in the moment
    Posts
    6,605
    Thanks for the link, it is very informative.

    My dad is a teamster, so the time truckers spend on the road and away from the family isn't lost on me.

    This is why I feel a trucker could be a potential suspect for the murders of 4 women in different locations on the east coast due to a regular I-95 traffic route from NY to FL and vise versa. His regular stops would be familiar to him.

    I need more facts before I can zone in on one potential poi at this time. Thanks for keeping an open mind.


    MOO

    wm
    ...and be sure your sin will find you out.

    Numbers,32:23

  12. #27
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    907

    John Kelly and M. William Phelps = S.T.A.L.K., Inc. Team Members

    Quote Originally Posted by svpernin View Post
    Just wanted to let you guys know that there's a new show on ID called Dark Minds with author M. Willam Phelps and profiler John Kelly and next week they are exploring possible connections between the AC murders and the LISK.

    http://investigation.discovery.com/t...-guide-02.html
    John Kelly and M. William Phelps are part of the S.T.A.L.K., Inc. team. They put out this profile of the Long Island perp:

    http://www.stalkinc.com/profile6.html

    Discovery Channel Press-release
    http://press.discovery.com/us/id/pre...xplores--1667/

    Here is a short bio of John Kelly, one of the S.T.A.L.K profilers:
    http://press.discovery.com/us/id/talent/kelly-john/

    Profiler links inmate to two killing
    The Boston Globe
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...oVM/story.html

    Here is a link to a journalist's website who is a part of the S.T.A.L.K., Inc. team:
    http://www.mwilliamphelps.com/
    Last edited by Dwntwnslim; 01-26-2012 at 08:20 PM. Reason: Add Title; Add Links

  13. #28
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    907
    @ waltzingmatilda-

    Keep going with your theory. It's a good one, IMHO.

  14. #29
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    portland, Ore
    Posts
    18,228
    Quote Originally Posted by Dwntwnslim View Post
    John Kelly and M. William Phelps are part of the S.T.A.L.K., Inc. team. They put out this profile of the Long Island perp:

    http://www.stalkinc.com/profile6.html

    Discovery Channel Press-release
    http://press.discovery.com/us/id/pre...xplores--1667/

    Here is a short bio of John Kelly, one of the S.T.A.L.K profilers:
    http://press.discovery.com/us/id/talent/kelly-john/

    Profiler links inmate to two killing
    The Boston Globe
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...oVM/story.html

    Here is a link to a journalist's website who is a part of the S.T.A.L.K., Inc. team:
    http://www.mwilliamphelps.com/
    Thanks for the info. I just need to find out what channel ID is on. lol I know they don't believe the LISK and AC murders are connected ~ different killers

  15. #30
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    907
    Quote Originally Posted by scandi View Post
    Thanks for the info. I just need to find out what channel ID is on. lol I know they don't believe the LISK and AC murders are connected ~ different killers

    I hope they put the show online. I don't have TV!

    IMHO, we can disagree with the profilers if we want to. Keep in mind, I have only one semester of "Introduction to Psychology" so you might want to take My attempts at profiling with massive amounts of salt.

Page 2 of 50 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 12 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. The Mindhunter Connection
    By Nom de plume in forum JonBenet Ramsey
    Replies: 54
    Last Post: 09-09-2016, 08:41 AM
  2. Possible D/s connection?
    By oh_gal in forum Jaycee Lee Dugard
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-31-2009, 04:09 PM
  3. LA - Another body found, possible Jennings murders connection
    By AmandaBrown23 in forum Jennings, Louisiana
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 08-28-2009, 08:39 PM
  4. The IRA/UDA connection
    By thentherewere4 in forum Madeleine McCann
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 11-28-2008, 12:50 PM

Tags for this Thread