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    LA - Janice Carto, 33, & 3 kids killed in arson fire, Harvey, 10 Nov 2004

    Mods, if I am putting this in the wrong place, please remove and put it where it belongs. This man killed a student of one of our members here.

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...ling_four.html
    Man acquitted of killing four in 2008 Harvey apartment fire faces federal charges in incident
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    I read the article and am so glad that the Feds found a loop hole. I hope there is justice this time around!

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    Thank you Tulessa for posting this for me, I had no idea where it should go!

    This case will get attention because he was acquitted of the crimes in the parish and/or state courts so the feds stepped in and he will be tried again, this time on a federal level which is perfectly legal despite the common belief that he couldn't be tried again due to the double jeopardy rule. Federal is a different court than the one he was acquitted in. This move is rare but can be used "when a case cries out for justice".

    Let me start by saying that one of the victims (Cleveland, age 11) was one of my students when I was a teacher in New Orleans before Katrina ( a few years before his death). He was in my class for an entire year and he was a remarkable special kid and it just hurt me so much to know he died in such a horrible way at the hands of such a callous killer. I prayed that justice would be done and when cyrus casby was acquitted it was devastating to me. You just don't know the rage and hate I felt against this animal.

    Cleveland was an extremely bright and personable young man. He was a such a promising young person. He had a special dignity about him for one so young and for one who had been raised in the inner city. He always came to school smiling and was always happy to help others. He was a responsible child who loved helping everyone out. He was also very nurturing towards his younger brother, Jarvis.

    I had my class split into 3 groups and Cleveland was the group leader of the grasshopper group. He was unanimously voted to be the leader by his peers because everyone liked him and as they said " Cleveland always be nice to us and always be helping people".

    Cleveland always came to school neatly dressed and smelling good, like a little man. It was easy to imagine the kind of good man he would grow up to be because you could already see how he handled responsibility and showed compassion and empathy for others. He was always smiling and cheerful. He was a wonderful child that any teacher would love to have.

    My students were from the poorest urban areas of the city. Many of my children came to school dirty, unkempt and had behavior issues. One poor girl had a neglectful mother and the child would wear her school uniform to sleep in and wet the bed and wore the same unwashed uniform day in and day out. Other children shunned her because she smelled bad but not Cleveland. He was kind to her and told her she could sit by him when the other kids refused to sit next to her. ( I brought her a few uniforms to have, changed her at school, sent her home with new uniforms, soap and baby wipes to use if she couldn't bath and pretty things for her hair and we solved that problem.)

    Cleveland wouldn't be cruel to anyone. When someone else was cruel, he told them to not be mean because other people may have "soft feelings" and be hurt by people who say mean things.

    I don't know about his home life when the crime occurred. I am sure Casby's lawyer will say all sorts of defamatory things about the family and the life they lived. They were poor and no doubt live in a poor neighborhood where drugs and crimes were common. Many of my kids reported that on a bad night they would sleep in the bathtub because you were safe from stray bullets there. But Cleveland was not a typical inner city child. He spoke well, had lovely manners and was very intelligent. I never had a problem with him.

    I still have a few drawing that Cleveland did for me that survived Katrina. One was a journal entry about how he loved school. I will try to find them and will post the pictures of them so that you can see them.

    I hope everyone will take an interest in this case and pray that justice will be done. Here are some more links to the facts of the case.

    This from the local newspaper when casby was acquitted back in 2008:
    http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...der_corru.html

    Here is a link to comments made by his family defending him:
    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...ts-newest.html
    (Notice the family member saying that Cynthia chose to evacuate the city with them for the hurricane. Well the hurricane was in 2005 and she died in 2004 so that comment is quite odd. She wasn't even alive when Katrina hit.)

    Here a link for when the crime happened with some pictures of Cleveland's mom, sister and her baby: http://www.wdsu.com/news/3906169/detail.html
    SwampMama

    GUILTY!!!

    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html

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    SwampMama, I'm so so sorry. What a remarkable young man he was. The world needs more people like this wonderful little guy was. The girls story you told us is so sad. How will these poor children ever grow up to have a great life. Every child has a teacher they remember most and I believe that little girl will always remember you. As far as Cyrus Casby I hope he gets convicted this time as justice is screaming loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonders View Post
    SwampMama, I'm so so sorry. What a remarkable young man he was. The world needs more people like this wonderful little guy was. The girls story you told us is so sad. How will these poor children ever grow up to have a great life. Every child has a teacher they remember most and I believe that little girl will always remember you. As far as Cyrus Casby I hope he gets convicted this time as justice is screaming loud.
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    Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to read about this case. It will be a landmark case because it shows that a murderer can't get away with it forever.
    SwampMama

    GUILTY!!!

    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html

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    I searched for any updates on this case, but found none. If anyone local hears when the trial is to begin, please put the information here, please.

    I understand there's the possibility of DP. Has the pros announced if they're seeking the harshest punishment?

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    SwampMama, thank you for sharing with us about what a wonderful boy Cleveland was. I'm sorry for your loss and I'm praying for justice for all who loved Cleveland and his family.

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    Swamp Mama - OMG what an amazing young man you describe! Breaks my heart that another innocent child has been denied justice - but hopefully that will not be justice denied but justice delayed (too long.)

    PLEASE LET US KNOW WHEN THIS GOES TO COURT. I found this http://la.findacase.com/research/wfr...358.ELA.htm/qx motions to dismiss both denied but if anyone finds docs or a court docket please post.

    I also want to say, that you are the type of teacher every mother hopes and dreams their child will be exposed to once in their life. What you did for that little girl was simple, yet profound and I can guarantee will significantly impact her life - so even if you never hear from her, wow - thank you!!!!! The depth of what you knew about Cleveland is just another example and to still have some of his work - wow, what a gift. Even Katerina couldn't take that away -- me thinks there is a reason.

    Will follow this will you all - fascinating legal wise; and perhaps when this coward is it will do a lot to heal those of us whom were baffled by the 'imperfect justice' that Caylee received.


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    Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to read this thread. I have searched often but I cannot find any updates. I would love to be able to post updates but there simply are none. This case received such an appallingly small amount of publicity.

    It may be taking a long time but justice is coming.
    SwampMama

    GUILTY!!!

    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html


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    I hadn't seen this thread before. Swampmama, thank you for caring about Cleveland and his family. I read in the original linked article that the jury deliberated for less than two hours. Huh?! That's all four lives were worth to them? I hope the jury gets it right this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    I hadn't seen this thread before. Swampmama, thank you for caring about Cleveland and his family. I read in the original linked article that the jury deliberated for less than two hours. Huh?! That's all four lives were worth to them? I hope the jury gets it right this time around.
    It just astounds me how little publicity this case has gotten thru the years. $ people died and a young boy is left so brain damaged that he will never leave the hospital or function on even the simplest level but this isn't worthy of more than a few newspaper articles.

    I admit I have had much anger about this case. I wished I could hunt him down myself. I prayed that Justice would catch up with him and it is like a miracle that the feds have stepped in. I am sure the feds will get it right this time.

    Now I pray for patience because it is taking so long. But I will have patience and faith and I will spend my time waiting for that day when he goes to court by helping in other cases and by getting the word out about this case.

    Thank you and everyone who reads this thread and comments. Every post counts and brings this case to the attention of more people. Everyone here at WS is the best!!
    SwampMama

    GUILTY!!!

    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html

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    I swear I posted here already but I must have just read it...

    A.) Did anyone see the comments in that original acquittal article? The usual ones from the family/friends...

    But what about the one from someone who CLAIMS to be a juror that voted guilty and refused to back down?
    Well, if that was the case why wasn't it a hung jury? They acquitted him.
    But they are specific about other jurors and I thought someone might know if the things match up with the actual jury.


    Comments from alleged juror:

    http://connect.nola.com/user/scooby3045/index.html


    Article:

    http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...der_corru.html


    B.) It isn't just a lack of media attention. It's a lack of ANY attention.
    No memorial videos (I would do it if I had pictures) no facebook page for them (don't do facebook or I'd do that too.)

    I have seen one picture of the 3 female victims.
    I have not even seen a picture of Cleveland. (Possibly due to expiring articles.)
    That is sad. (If someone finds one, let me know and I will post it.)

    In fact there is so little information that you end up on racist sites trying to find information.
    When the majority of the discussion about a brutal crime is people who are glad it happened... we have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    I swear I posted here already but I must have just read it...

    A.) Did anyone see the comments in that original acquittal article? The usual ones from the family/friends...

    But what about the one from someone who CLAIMS to be a juror that voted guilty and refused to back down?
    Well, if that was the case why wasn't it a hung jury? They acquitted him.
    But they are specific about other jurors and I thought someone might know if the things match up with the actual jury.


    Comments from alleged juror:

    http://connect.nola.com/user/scooby3045/index.html


    Article:

    http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...der_corru.html


    B.) It isn't just a lack of media attention. It's a lack of ANY attention.
    No memorial videos (I would do it if I had pictures) no facebook page for them (don't do facebook or I'd do that too.)

    I have seen one picture of the 3 female victims.
    I have not even seen a picture of Cleveland. (Possibly due to expiring articles.)
    That is sad. (If someone finds one, let me know and I will post it.)

    In fact there is so little information that you end up on racist sites trying to find information.
    When the majority of the discussion about a brutal crime is people who are glad it happened... we have a problem.
    GULP ---- Great find on the 'juror' comments.
    Can't the attorney for the family do something - poll the jurors to see if there was coercion?


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    SwampMama-

    Just randomly came across your thread. I lived in New Orleans for a few months before Katrina.
    I am thrilled that the Feds are prosecuting him!! I know that this case receives little attention in the media- but apparently- these precious angels have someone on the Federal level fighting for them.

    I pray the charges stick and he is convicted.

    One suggestion- you may already know- but you can set up a "google alert" to alert you by email -
    please keep us posted - will be praying

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    She was last seen at the home/office of a doctor for whom she worked after school...only 1/2 mi down the road from her home.
    That home was not searched until 4/29/2012 - but investigators forgot to submit the evidence to the crime lab.

    Clea has few visitors on her WS thread, please come & hear her story. This case can be solved.

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