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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Wasn't JVD trying to borrow more money from Ludwick, he probably wouldn't tell him to gamble with... Later he told him he didn't need it? Memory could be way off on this.
    I'm not sure about JVDS telling him JL didn't need it, but Ludwick told NG in his 2010 interview that JVDS asked him for money to get home from Peru.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../14/ng.01.html


    You know another can of worms. Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

    And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

    LUDWICK: Yes, I do.

    GRACE: Did you send him money?

    LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.


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    That is so weird. Why does he sign his name and then scribble all over it? I know that handwriting expert said that maybe it means he hates himself, but I don't know. I think he thinks he's pretty hot stuff.
    If there is anything worse than the sandwiches, it is the sausages which sit next to them. Joyless tubes, full of gristle, floating in a sea of something hot and sad, stuck with a plastic pin in the shape of a chef’s hat: A memorial, one feels, for some chef who hated the world, and died, forgotten and alone among his cats on a back stair in Stepney. – Douglas Adams


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    Smile

    I know a GREAT hand writing expert - I believe she belongs to this forum, not too sure - but I'll find that link above and send it to her - maybe we can get a better insight on his hand writing!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by annalia View Post
    Respectfully snipped and my bolding

    JVDS attracts two types, the mentally unstable like MH, the type he can prey on and manipulate, and those who are cut from the same cloth as him.

    Most of the comments below the articles about MH are attacking her, that's understandable given the outlandish and crazy things she says and does, on top of sending him all that money, she probably isn't going to get a whole lot of sympathy because of that. But she's also exactly the type that a sociopathic cretin like JVDS would sink his claws into and not take them out until he wipes them clean and then tosses them away. It was probably like taking candy from a baby for him to get MH to send him money.

    MH seems different from some of other JVDS hangers in that she is clearly delusional and mentally unwell and really seems to believe that it's just her and JVDS against the world. She now even brings AVDS into it, saying even AVDS turned against her son, even more reason in her unstable mind that she needs to fight. I don't believe that's entirely accurate though, I believe AVDS got alarmed once MH started talking publicly and it became obvious that she was unstable, knowing how it would look if it got out that she's been sending them both all that money. AVDS saying JVDS isn't worth saving was just meant to tell MH to go away.

    MH is definitely off her rocker but needs sympathy as well.

    JMHO.
    Exactly!! I'm sure AVDS was all too happy to take Mary's money until Mary started shooting her mouth off.

    Another way she is different from his other supporters is that she obviously has a lot of money she's all too willing to throw his way. She should thank her lucky stars he wasn't released to go live in that apartment she was willing to pay for or she very likely could have become his next victim.

    Clearly she's not well but it's difficult for me to drum up much sympathy for her.


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    Interesting article summarizing pretty much what we've already determined with a few new interesting tidbits....

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ary-hamer.html


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    okay - I've pm'd my friend, and she won't be back in town until Tuesday, but finds the project interesting!! She too wants to about joran!! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    Exactly!! I'm sure AVDS was all too happy to take Mary's money until Mary started shooting her mouth off.

    Another way she is different from his other supporters is that she obviously has a lot of money she's all too willing to throw his way. She should thank her lucky stars he wasn't released to go live in that apartment she was willing to pay for or she very likely could have become his next victim.

    Clearly she's not well but it's difficult for me to drum up much sympathy for her.
    My bolding

    I know exactly what you mean. That's why I go back and forth with my feelings regarding her. Believe me, I totally agree, it is really diffcult to feel sorry for her with her praise of JVDS, especially when she says things like she said on Anderson. The sheer gall she has that she would even say that she was trying to help the SF and NH families too, and thinks that they would want anything to do with her and her outlandish praise of this killer. She didn't want to hear anything and wanted people to believe she was smarter than everyone else when it comes to JVDS.

    Then I think of her delusions, that she really believed that anyone, especially two presidents, would give her the time of day let alone release a murderer into her care so she can help him with a thesis that he'll give to the peruvian people after she finishes her made up Ghandi program, and it's clear she is suffering from a serious mental disorder. The part that makes me feel sorry for her is JVDS manipulating a mentally ill woman to get her money, I can easily see him sending her even deeper into her madness by the things he's said to her so he could keep his hook into her finances.

    JMHO


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    The National Enquirer - FWIW...

    "He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.

    The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

    In another devastating blow for the arrogant son of a wealthy family, he’s now been abandoned by his heartbroken mother."

    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/cele...-he-should-die


    I don't believe for a second that AVDS has turned her back on her beloved 'sporter.'.


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    I think the Enquirer is mixing up what AVDS said to the 'guardian angel' to leave Joran alone, with AVDS abandoning JVDS. I don't believe she will ever abandon her son, as misguided as it is.

    I'm glad to see he was upset at the sentence. HE thought his lawyer was going to get him off with a couple of years and a slap on the wrist. He MURDERED a young woman, for goodness sake!

    Like I said, he killed someone in the wrong country this time. JVDS isn't the one with the connections this time. There's nobody around to sweep his evil deeds under the rug!

    Pppfffftttt!
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    http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...verklaring.xml

    partial translation

    VAN DER SLOOT VOID JUDGEMENT CALLS

    Joran wants the ruling of the judge who sentenced him to 28 years in prison, is annulled. He has the Peruvian Supreme Court sent a letter in which he substantiates this request.
    Van der Sloot gave immediately after the verdict that he was the punishment of 28 years is excessive. Furthermore, his first confession "never estimated value," says his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro.
    If the Supreme Court approves the invalidation, the verdict of 28 years off the table cell. What happens next is unclear. The court, the application of Van der Sloot study. It may take several months.
    So he wants the entire sentence thrown out now?


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    I have been following this case on and off. I just have to say one thing about his sentence: BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Bet he wasn't expecting that!
    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Most interesting classic unsolved murder cases

    This thread currently has over 350 cases with a brief synopsis of each and we are still adding additional cases.

    You can access a spreadsheet that lists the cases in alphabetical order with the page & post number so that you can locate a particular case you may be interested in. It also contains links to any cases that already have a thread on WS.

    Many cases do not have a thread. Please feel free to start one in the appropriate forum if you would like to look into one. Should you start a thread on one of these cases, please let me know so that I can add the link to the spreadsheet.

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    Forum: Jury Room
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    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

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    http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...verklaring.xml

    "What happens next is unclear. The court, the application of Van der Sloot study. It may take several months."


    So if JVS is occupied with appeals, how does that affect US requests for extradition?
    How does this extradition process play out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...verklaring.xml

    "What happens next is unclear. The court, the application of Van der Sloot study. It may take several months."


    So if JVS is occupied with appeals, how does that affect US requests for extradition?
    How does this extradition process play out?
    Beats me!?

    I would assume that there would be no extradition until any and all appeals are exhausted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    Beats me!?

    I would assume that there would be no extradition until any and all appeals are exhausted.
    Or until the $69,000 runs out. Whichever comes first.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Or until the $69,000 runs out. Whichever comes first.
    LOL!! Shouldn't take long with his history.


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