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  1. #16
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    Another thought I had is that she may not know her true age or birthdate. I would think that those would be pieces of information that would not be given to her if she were abducted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ndivine View Post
    I know that a couple of things that are very strong triggers for memory formation are smells and bee stings. My earliest memory is being stung by a bee when I was two years old. I can picture where I was and who I was with to this day. It has also been shown that a specific smell can bring up a memory more strongly than any other mode of sensation. The smell of frankincense immediately triggers memories of the Orthodox church.
    I wonder if there are any specific smells that may be triggers for her early memories?

    Love and peace to all!
    Welcome, Ndivine! I am trying to think of smell triggers, and the only one I can come up with is the not-too-pleasant smell of the chicken coop after a rain (Anna sometimes helped gather the eggs.) Hm. Apples, maybe? We had lots of apple trees and the kids would graze their way through them, looking for the best possible apple.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    Welcome, Ndivine! I am trying to think of smell triggers, and the only one I can come up with is the not-too-pleasant smell of the chicken coop after a rain (Anna sometimes helped gather the eggs.) Hm. Apples, maybe? We had lots of apple trees and the kids would graze their way through them, looking for the best possible apple.
    I wonder if that means there is a woman out there who has wonderful, comforting associations with apples but doesn't know why? Maybe even a passion for apple-scented candles or potpourri. Chicken coops also have such a strong, specific smell.

    I wonder how this could be used?


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    Another random thought - I think there would be a good chance of her having some sort of PTSD experience around the date January 16. Traumatic events tend to live in our bodies even if they are not consciously recalled. Maybe depression or unsettled feeling or something of that kind. If the actual memory of the event is suppressed she may be inappropriately attributing it to post-holiday blues or winter depression or some such. I just think that the January 16 date may be more powerful in finding her since she may not know her true birthday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    Why haven't we thought of this before? We tried to see what members remembered from when they were five years old. I would expect her to remember "Joka", Saturn, maybe my given nickname and her brothers' names. Any other ideas? I don't remember how to add tag words.
    She would remember things that may not stand out to you. For example, things that seem odd to a small child yet normal to anyone else. Or even things she did with her brothers, that her Mom does not know about. You may want to have a discussion with them....once one of my brothers gave me snuff, I know that may not be the normal, but brother and sister stuff often does not fit in the norm, I got so sick, my Mother rushed me to the doctor.Until the day she died none of us ever told her what happened that day. My point being, it is often not the normal things that form lasting memories....Did any of her brothers tease her, or have a special nic-name for her? Also BD parties seem to make lasting memories, oh and her favorite outfit....
    I agree with the Jan.16 PTSD thing also. ...she maybe having panic attacks then...or other feelings of fear, or perhaps depression. I would think that date would make a great tag.....Mind you this is JMHO....but I hope it helps. You are in my prayers, and I have a candle burning for you.(To light Anna's way home)
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    Height: 56″
    Weight: 125 lbs
    Debbie is believed to have been a victim of the serial killer Gerard John Schaefer Jr. He was convicted of only two murders in the 1970s but is believed to be responsible for the murders and disappearances of many other girls and young women in the 60s and 70s, including Wendy Stevenson, Peggy Rahn ,Carmen Hallock, Pamela Nater and Nancy Leichner in 1966.


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    I agree - I remember outfits from that age - special toys - I remember words that I used for things because I couldn't properly pronounce the correct word - a lot of visuals of the house I lived in and my kindergarten classroom and teacher. Maybe a special name for a special toy?


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    I think Anna had a pretty amazing adventurous life on the farm and travelling in the school bus. The outdoor freedom, the trees, lots of land, the outhouse experience :-) she may recall. Anna was in a play at a young age, she drew pictures and knew LOLOLOL... I think she does remember certain things for sure. Again, we need a billboard or small local TV station to at least start a blurb for Anna. I feel we need the media to help us. Is there a local TV station in the San Mateo area?
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    I agree local media would help, and often you get better results from requests like these if it is a small station. I think she would remember the "outhouse". We had one when my lil sis was around that age and she still recalls it. But all children are different, and different things lock and unlock their minds. My son was very young (4) when he lost his father. He can't remember him at all, the grief counselor I took him to when he was small told me this may happen. Trauma often blocks the mind of a child...the thing is hitting on memories that can unblock it. I can start telling my son a story about things they did, and all of a sudden, he can remember that incident.
    So yes, by all means, the outhouse, the chicken coop,her favorite outfit, her favorite color, the date Jan. 16, does she feel lost? Things she shared with her brothers...talk to them, brother and sister secrets stay strong...
    Debora Sue Lowe - Age 13, missing from Pompano, FL since February 29, 1972 (Leap Year)
    Missing Child Haunts Family Nearly 40 Years Later - 9/19/2011
    White Female
    Hair: Brown
    Eyes: Brown
    Height: 56″
    Weight: 125 lbs
    Debbie is believed to have been a victim of the serial killer Gerard John Schaefer Jr. He was convicted of only two murders in the 1970s but is believed to be responsible for the murders and disappearances of many other girls and young women in the 60s and 70s, including Wendy Stevenson, Peggy Rahn ,Carmen Hallock, Pamela Nater and Nancy Leichner in 1966.


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    I think one of the other important factors is for it to be unique. For example, one of my grandmothers made a potato salad that had beets in it that I loved. I called it "pink stuff". I don't know of anyone else with that association and it does trigger memories of her house and family gatherings.


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    In my continued stream of consciousness today . . .
    It seems like the bus trip with her family might be a very powerful and unique experience. Annasmom - have you ever written a detailed story about it and published or posted it with pictures? It seems like she might be attracted to the story and reading it might trigger memories.


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    I just read the oddest story, on another site, it was written by the daughter in law of a man who is searching for his real family. He remembers vividly the day he was taken at age 5, and is searching now for his mother. His story made me stop and think.....sometimes traumatic events, cause a child to remember the day......every detail....so maybe she remembers way more than I was giving her credit for.....I hope she finds her way back to you soon.......
    Debora Sue Lowe - Age 13, missing from Pompano, FL since February 29, 1972 (Leap Year)
    Missing Child Haunts Family Nearly 40 Years Later - 9/19/2011
    White Female
    Hair: Brown
    Eyes: Brown
    Height: 56″
    Weight: 125 lbs
    Debbie is believed to have been a victim of the serial killer Gerard John Schaefer Jr. He was convicted of only two murders in the 1970s but is believed to be responsible for the murders and disappearances of many other girls and young women in the 60s and 70s, including Wendy Stevenson, Peggy Rahn ,Carmen Hallock, Pamela Nater and Nancy Leichner in 1966.


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    Just random thoughts....... was there a rose bush,screened or glassed in porch, a "secret" hiding spot, lilacs, old foundations, baby chicks, a favorite pet dying, craft projects, certain songbirds, a litter of kittens or puppies, house color (if notable), a room of a certain unusual color or wallpaper, outdoor family activities (picking blue berries, raspberries, black berries), riding on a tractor or lawnmower, a neighborhood bee keeper, baby calves, a special quilt or comforter...like i said just random thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    I have always wondered if Anna would remember her mother playing the piano. I wonder if she would have been drawn to playing because of memories she might have had of her mother playing. Can't get that thought out of my mind...
    ~~ I have wondered this for years. The piano.
    Did Anna play as well? I did searches for pianist/age/classical once... I'll do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    Why haven't we thought of this before? We tried to see what members remembered from when they were five years old. I would expect her to remember "Joka", Saturn, maybe my given nickname and her brothers' names. Any other ideas? I don't remember how to add tag words.
    Apologies for starting a topic and then disappearing for a month. (Life getting in the way is a poor excuse, but there it is.) I have, however, been chewing this over in my mind.

    Annasmom, is there a way (I suppose your webmaster for Anna's page will know) of getting some of the things that Anna might remember to bring up Anna's page if they are put into a search engine? I don't even know how to phrase it really, but I mean whatever it is that brings hits when you put it into a search engine. Whenever I want to have a look at Anna's page to see if there are any updates, I google "Anna Christian Waters". However, if Anna's name was changed after she was snatched, even if only her surname was changed, and she forgot/repressed it, she probably won't be googling the name, but perhaps something that you mentioned, like her brothers' names/nicknames,* perhaps a special name she may have had for you or a special pet-name you had for her, 'Joka', names of pets, her favourite piano tune, any childhood words (you know how children sometimes invent words for things, or mispronounce them, and then the whole family starts using them), random memories like apple trees, gathering eggs, the chicken coop, kindergarten-related stuff. If she googled, say, "my dog Saturn small brown dog" or "my dog Saturn brown terrier" (this is just an example, I've no idea if Saturn was small, brown, or a terrier), is there any way those words/phrases could be linked with Anna's website so it would come up as one of the hits? Perhaps with a photo here and there where applicable (maybe of the dog) so she would have a look and perhaps think, hang on, could this missing girl Anna be me?

    Also, and this is complete and utter lottery, suppose the people who abducted her gave her a new date of birth, and symbolically chose 01-16? Is there any way of checking if there are birth certificates out there issued for that date for female children of Anna's age? Birth certs not issued at birth, I mean? (Sorry if this is mega-confusing. Do you guys know what I mean?)

    *I don't know different people might feel about their names/nicknames being out there on the internet.


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    I don't post here often, but check all the time for updates. I was placed with a foster family when I was 3 1/2 and adopted at 5, but I have MANY memories of life with my natural family-both good and bad memories. As an adult, I was able to find my natural family and pieces together my memory puzzle, w/ the help of my natural mother and siblings. I am guessing that Anna also has many memories, and perhaps does not know how to piece them together.

    Many of the memories I have a rather random: I remembered going to the beach all the time (we lived across the street from Laguna Beach, but my adopted parents did not even know I had lived in CA). I remembered sitting with my natural brother on a bed, and him telling me not to put my finger in an electrical socket or the witch would zap me. I remembered the smell of orange blossom trees (my natural grandmother lived next to an orange grove in Costa Mesa-we lived with her a short time). I grew up in PA and NY, so had no occasion to smell orange blossoms until we moved to AZ! The first time I smelled them as an adult, memories came flooding back!
    I am looking for a few good sleuthers to help Missie find her sister--please, please, please bring your fresh ideas!!

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