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    I fear for the safety of Crystal and her children. I was hoping she could make a life for them away from Putnam County and all that implies. That's the only reason I'm interested in where she's living. Now that I know, I can't help being even more concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I agree, this is the General Theory thread and really where CS is living or what she does for a living has nothing to do with the night Haleigh went missing.
    Well, except shes around people who were around her dead child the night she disappeared and they are covering for the perp, imo, also, can you imagine having those beautiful babies around the likes of some of that family? I think it has a lot to do with this story and it shows how far this family will go to pacify someone. jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    I guess I just don't understand. Why does it matter who's living with who or where they're working or not working 3 years AFTER Haleigh vanished? Don't get me wrong, there's a couple of them I'd like to know where they were living or working the NIGHT she disappeared, but not now.

    Unless someone can show me something I'm missing, I don't see why this newest revelation should matter to me. I came to the conclusion long ago that these people are a different breed of cat from any I've ever run across before.

    I have no shot at understanding why they do what they do, then or now.
    Papa, for me, I guess it all boils down to an innocent child being deceased at the hand of her father and his family doing everything within their power to keep the truth from ever being revealed...IIRC for months they publicly defended and praised Misty. Crystal S for the most part was vilified by the Cummings/Neves/Sykes Clan, Ron C supporters (here at WS) and even Nancy Grace..
    IMHO From day one their goal has been to deflect from the truth as to what really happened to Haleigh. Blame anyone and everyone just as long as Ron C is protected and the truth hidden.. As I see it the lies, the manipulative and deceitful tactics used and STILL being used by Ronald Cummings and his family is the epitome of what I view as being EVIL..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I agree, this is the General Theory thread and really where CS is living or what she does for a living has nothing to do with the night Haleigh went missing.
    A lot of people think RC's family is in on a coverup, so they see this as a manipulation...which could theoretically affect the case. But, since I don't think AS knows much of anything, all I see this as, is her putting a roof over somebody elses head. MOO

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    Papa, for me, I guess it all boils down to an innocent child being deceased at the hand of her father and his family doing everything within their power to keep the truth from ever being revealed...IIRC for months they publicly defended and praised Misty. Crystal S for the most part was vilified by the Cummings/Neves/Sykes Clan, Ron C supporters (here at WS) and even Nancy Grace..
    IMHO From day one their goal has been to deflect from the truth as to what really happened to Haleigh. Blame anyone and everyone just as long as Ron C is protected and the truth hidden.. As I see it the lies, the manipulative and deceitful tactics used and STILL being used by Ronald Cummings and his family is the epitome of what I view as being EVIL..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Bogart View Post
    I fear for the safety of Crystal and her children. I was hoping she could make a life for them away from Putnam County and all that implies. That's the only reason I'm interested in where she's living. Now that I know, I can't help being even more concerned.
    Not me, not any longer.. She is a woman gown. She will either grow from this experience or regress.. It's her journey.JMHO...
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    Kimster here is your link.

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    And I may also add, it has long been our concerns for the safety of little JR in our thoughts and prayers.
    The thought of JR and baby "C" being placed in what may be, harm's way, bothers me. IMO, little HaLeigh was not protected from harm as she should have been. For those who believe the responsible person(s) are locked up at this time, well then I guess it is of no worry. I am not quite so sure ...
    just trying to make sense out of all of this

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    My only thought about Crystal's job, these 3 years down the road, is I'm happy she is working.

    Eventually she may become independent of Marie, Chad, AS, TN and even Ron.
    That could never happen while she continued to sit on the couch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkay882 View Post
    My only thought about Crystal's job, these 3 years down the road, is I'm happy she is working.

    Eventually she may become independent of Marie, Chad, AS, TN and even Ron.
    That could never happen while she continued to sit on the couch.
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    I love Crystal and support her and if she had the luxury to sit on her behind, oh well, where do you think Ron is sitting right now? Compared to him, she is a saint, there really is no arguing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I think putting my child in a couple of bags and leaving them in a swamp is just as bad, let alone driving around with them in my trunk. KWIM? People do this in many child murder cases. Tommy and Misty were not her parents, and Ron could not be involved, if he thinks she died on his drugs or because he told Misty to give her something to get her to bed. He had a lot to lose, and he was using, and this changes a person. Many mothers that kill their children, put them in water to bury them. I know it sounds so cold, but it is a fact of life. It happens and we all here hate it, but it does happen. Haleigh will be found one day, There is a case here where a child went missing about 41 years ago. She may have fallen in a river. They found a childs jaw bone about her age just in 2003, and it was washed a shore very near where she went missing so long ago. It is being tested as I post to see if it is her. My point is, if God wants her found, no river will keep her bond. She will surface when it is time.
    Sometimes I feel like no one is reading what I'm posting. I was trying to say I didn't feel Ron, Misty or Tommy were completely devoid of any human emotion, as I feel FCA is. Therefore, I can totally see what FCA did, but it's a little harder for me to see these three being so cold. I am also very aware of what people do, I'm not one of those who base what I'm thinking happened on my emotions. My remarks regarding Ron, Misty, and Tommy are me trying to judge what I think goes on in their heads, and also actually basing this on your theory we had discussed which was Haleigh ODed by accident. If I was buying into one of the theories that had Ron deliberately taking her life, then tying a cinder block to her body and tossing her in the river would be a very likely scenario. KWIM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chablis View Post
    She should, but really, she cant believe Ron did this, shes in denial even though she knows hes abusive. She is not the smartest person on this earth, thats how Ron liked his girls, meek and docile, thats why Mistys arrogance and boldness probably drove him to the edge. Shes easy to manipulate and its happening to this day.
    Crystal has said she is not free to divulge what LE told her, so maybe she's not in denial. Maybe she knows more than the rest of us do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    How would Ron be involved? Wasn't he proven to be at work that evening? And weren't there witnesses that HC was alive and well after he went to work?
    Well, it depends on what you choose to believe.

    LE said Ron was at work and they have video.

    Or...LE is lying to protect the investigation.
    LE is lying to protect Ron.
    LE didn't really check out his work.
    Ron could have slipped away from work, killed Haleigh, and then snuck back into work.
    LE hasn't released to the public when Ron was at work, so it's possible they are referring to a time that doesn't preclude him from not being at work when something happened to Haleigh.

    LE has no timetable of when something happened to Haleigh, so even if they can show Ron at work when Ron says he was at work, it's irrelevant, which leads to...

    Haleigh was at school, or the records were falsified.
    (There are witnesses who say Haleigh got off the bus that day, but because there are conflicting stories on who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, this is also not necessarily accepted as fact)
    Haleigh could have been dying at this time from a closed head injury inflicted by Ron at an earlier time.
    Ron could have given Haleigh drugs before he went to work.
    Ron could have told someone to give Haleigh drugs after he went to work.
    (This is just off the top of my head.)

    Part two, witnesses who saw Haleigh after Ron went to work (if Ron was actually at work.)

    A/C guy. Hasn't come forward to the public to identify himself and declare he saw Haleigh, so might not even exist. Might be covering for Ron for numerous reasons, including probably a relative of Ron. LE hasn't come out to public on what A/C guy said, if there even is an A/C guy, and even if they did, see above as to why this would also not be reliable.

    Annette Sykes, ggma of Haleigh. Claims she saw Haleigh about 8pm, over there delivering childrens clean laundry. Might be covering for Ron. Might be covering for Misty.

    Tommy Croslin and his children. Claims he was there and his children were playing with Ron's children. Tommy could be...covering for Ron, covering for Misty, covering for himself, on drugs and not know where he was.

    LE sent out flyers at one point requesting information on Haleigh from 8pm on. See above for reasons this is also not to be considered reliable.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Can anyone remember Cobra and him saying that trying to interview these people were trying to talk to a bunch of rocks!!!! Can you imagine what LE has had to do here to get down to the truth!! I have a long memory about this case, and so many things pointed to so many people, including Ron. But I have looked at it and said to myself, why would this person need to act this way when the rest of us think this or that? I look at it like a movie playing out; first scene, second scene and so on. In the opening act, I really think the Cummings clan were tying to protect Ron from all the stuff he was into and from him going to jail for underage sex with Misty. I heard that LE was bombarded with out raged people that this was going on and the fact she was smoking. SMOKING, REALLY!! People wanted the cops to arrest her for smoking, ROTFLMAO. A child is missing, and Misty is clearly doing drugs and god knows what else and people are upset she is smoking. So much went on, if we would have put all the stuff together and all the interviews, searches and then the jail tapes, that in of itself would be a movie and I wonder what we would think then? I can't believe there isn't a movie yet of this. Anyway, thanks for not running me over with a bus for my stance on this, I am just looking at things through another perspective is all.

    I remember when there were CS haters here and they were convinced that she took Haleigh and hid her. But now we have more to work with and that is why until I get that one peice of evidence that Ron was anywhere near that trailer or there is any evidence that she was beaten, or shot by him, I have to look at the rest of the players. Tommy comes out and puts himself at the trailer, Misty puts herself there and Tommy says he sees a lifeless Haleigh and he is at that dock. I can't remember who talked about the yellow rope, being found at Tommy's but they pulled one from the river IIRC. So that is my theory and until something more comes, I am working with that.
    I remember CS from the beginning, too, and I remember what was on her facebook at the beginning. I never thought she had anything to do with this, but IMO that still doesn't change the fact she seems to have a lot of the same problems as some others, including coming up positive for drugs after Haleigh went missing, so I guess she wasn't scared straight either. I don't see this as any more acceptable for her as it is for any of the others, but I guess that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I still have not ruled out that Misty wasn't home, but out scoring drugs and when she got home, either Haleigh wasn't there, or she found her dead, or even raped. Now how are you going to deal with Ronald if you were supposed to be watching the kids, and you stepped out and somebody comes in on your watch and does this???? Well I would be scared to death of Ronald's wrath. If I was Misty I would call my brother Tommy and find out where he was, cause I would be looking at him first if I were Misty. Then I would think of a way to get out of this. I am not telling Ron the truth. Tommy if he is guilty or thinks Ron is going to pin this on him, is going to help Misty. So that is another theory, and a workable one. Tell Ron she is died of a overdose because he told her to give Haleigh something to get her to sleep and get rid of the body so no one will ever know that Haleigh was raped and murdered. If they find the body and one bit of evidence is found, we are dead. So Misty can't get the story right, Ron is acting guilty because he thinks he is responsible and the family jumps in because they think Misty helping Ronald out and .... well you get it. But at some point LE does those LDT and VST and Misty fails miserably.
    I don't think Misty was out dealing drugs. IMO, so many people who are associates of Misty in one way or another and have drug problems have been arrested since this came out. IMO, if Misty was dealing drugs that night, she was bound to have dealt to at least one of these people, and IMO, one of these people giving that information to LE would be a get out of jail free card.

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    Maybe it's an intervention and Crystal had no other choice but run to GGS? Just wondering...Or maybe she got scared? Haven't a clue btw. xoxo

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    Quote Originally Posted by TobyWong* View Post
    I watched a documentary on showtime about the White family of West Virginia.imo generational dysfunctional excusinating in the truest form. I mean no offense as I saw my own family in some of them. My first thought was, this is a good show of how people like the cummings & croslins came to be. It was eye opening, especially for those that were appalled that misty was smoking.. if only.. imo
    So my questions are did this family's actions come across as odd in any way? Were they in situations doing things that you thought you wouldn't do in the same situation? Or were they acting just like 'normal' people would act in the same situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I don't think Misty was out dealing drugs. IMO, so many people who are associates of Misty in one way or another and have drug problems have been arrested since this came out. IMO, if Misty was dealing drugs that night, she was bound to have dealt to at least one of these people, and IMO, one of these people giving that information to LE would be a get out of jail free card.
    Well,at one time, LE seemed pretty sure that Misty was gone. If they've ruled that out, IDK. I remember seeing an Art Harris interview with Misty's mother, and she talked about being interviewed by the cops. She said they asked her if she and Misty were together that night, and she said of course not, because HC was in the hospital, and Misty was at Ron's, 'supposedly'. Well, if that was such a ridiculous question, why did cops ask it? Her answer wasn't very clear, as par for the course, but her saying that she was with HC, didn't necessarily mean Misty couldn't have been there too. I got the impression that she was alibing herself, because cops thought she might have been somewhere with Misty, not the other way around. Anyway, my long drawn out point, is that Misty could have been with family, and not dealing drugs to outsiders. Also, at 1st, LC gave the impression that she talked to Misty, right after the abduction, and gave her motherly advice, but then she admitted that it was actually HC who Misty talked to. So, if HC was so hurt, and LC was right beside him, why didn't she take the call from her daughter? And why the misleading? Anyway, this LE has been so tight lipped, that I find it very interesting to hear the questions they ask in interviews. It kind of shows, where their train of thought is...like JS, from the bus stop, and T and C's multi hour interview. All MOO.
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    Another one of those not so clear interviews, was with CC, about the van. The reporter said Misty called CC about the scratch, but in CC's, telling, she made it seem like Misty's van. My question is...why was Misty crying and begging CC to please be the one who put the scratch on the van? This one clip managed to make it seem like the van belonged to CC and Misty. Who did the van belong to? Is this the same van that Tommy and LC owned? If so, why was it released to CC? or was it released to LC? and CC was just inserting herself? Was LC the one doing the crying and pleading? I'm still confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Sometimes I feel like no one is reading what I'm posting. I was trying to say I didn't feel Ron, Misty or Tommy were completely devoid of any human emotion, as I feel FCA is. Therefore, I can totally see what FCA did, but it's a little harder for me to see these three being so cold. I am also very aware of what people do, I'm not one of those who base what I'm thinking happened on my emotions. My remarks regarding Ron, Misty, and Tommy are me trying to judge what I think goes on in their heads, and also actually basing this on your theory we had discussed which was Haleigh ODed by accident. If I was buying into one of the theories that had Ron deliberately taking her life, then tying a cinder block to her body and tossing her in the river would be a very likely scenario. KWIM?
    Glad we cleared that up. Somewhere on here, we tried to post theories, a few of us anyway, that we had to back up with a time line and step by step actions of how this happened. IOW, we had to play it out with things they said, or things they could have used, like a car if they had one. We tired to re-enact it with stuff we knew or stuff that was possibile. I think it was in the stickies. I did mine and it took hours to do this, and at the time, I was using Ron as the who done it person. But when I got to the part of him getting rid of the body, I ran into a problem, Misty. How did Misty and Ron get her to the scene and did Misty have a car? I think I need to do this again. It helps to re-enact it, but you have to have the same evidence that LE has, or explain why the lack of it. If she was shot, why isn't there blood spatter either inside or outside the home. If Misty drowned her, you have to explain why LE didn't pick up on a wet bathroom floor or rug? Well you get the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    Well,at one time, LE seemed pretty sure that Misty was gone. If they've ruled that out, IDK. I remember seeing an Art Harris interview with Misty's mother, and she talked about being interviewed by the cops. She said they asked her if she and Misty were together that night, and she said of course not, because HC was in the hospital, and Misty was at Ron's, 'supposedly'. Well, if that was such a ridiculous question, why did cops ask it? Her answer wasn't very clear, as par for the course, but her saying that she was with HC, didn't necessarily mean Misty couldn't have been there too. I got the impression that she was alibing herself, because cops thought she might have been somewhere with Misty, not the other way around. Anyway, my long drawn out point, is that Misty could have been with family, and not dealing drugs to outsiders. Also, at 1st, LC gave the impression that she talked to Misty, right after the abduction, and gave her motherly advice, but then she admitted that it was actually HC who Misty talked to. So, if HC was so hurt, and LC was right beside him, why didn't she take the call from her daughter? And why the misleading? Anyway, this LE has been so tight lipped, that I find it very interesting to hear the questions they ask in interviews. It kind of shows, where their train of thought is...like JS, from the bus stop, and T and C's multi hour interview. All MOO.
    Remember Nay Nay and the letter from jail, case in point. They threw in a party too at a friends house, he was disabled IIRC and they searched a retention pond after the letter came out. And Amber, I don't remember what she added to this, but it is really confusing. That is why we can't get to the bottom of all of this. We had Cobra in the mix and he got stuff out of some of the players, but I feel it was BS to muddy the waters or cut deals off their jail time.
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    Forgive me if this has been asked or covered somewhere before, but did they ever fingerprint that lock?

    Did Misty think to leave things as evidence, or did she shut that door?

    Maybe Misty simply agreed to leave the door open. That would then be why she is actually unable to say who took Haleigh with any idea of the truth. She knows what happened, but not the details of what happened next.

    Theory 1. Haleigh is still alive because Misty herself left the door for another person to take her but she has no idea what they did with her. She suspects, but does not truly know, but has dug a whole for herself with her lies about finding the door. Maybe Misty got worried about Haleigh being ill treated and cooked something up with a family member or even with Crystal and that is why she has to appear so besotted with Ron for so long.

    Theory 2. Ron killed Haleigh and Misty left the door so as to make the story up.

    Theory 3. Misty went out for a smoke and left the door and forgot about it in a drug filled haze and then woke up to find Haleigh missing and cooked up the story.

    Theory 4. Misty and Ron cooked up the whole thing and involved Misty's family because as druggies they all need money. Haleigh did die in the trailer.

    Theory 6. Neither Misty or Ron know who has, or had, Haleigh. Others got worried or targetted Haleigh that are in the family.

    I am also not so sure Haleigh was in that trailer that night.

    Somehow I am going with theory 1 IMHO that would explain why any of the others are involved, and why they have not been able to charge Misty with murder. She just dare not say what she did because leaving the door open may make her an accessory to murder.

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    A tangled web of lies for sure - attempts to prove innocence, hide truths, or because each suspects one another and in reality no one (including LE) knows more than we do. Did LE make a big mistake by prematurely locking up POI ... anticipating some one would talk or even give a confession?

    Capt. Dominic Piscitello has worked at the Putnam County Sheriff's Office for 19 years and has been overseeing the case since Haleigh was reported missing on Feb. 10, 2009. "We still haven't gotten to a point where we think this person is responsible, the family's responsible, these people are responsible, because we are looking at it with a whole different perspective, rather than just saying what everybody assumes is what's happening," Piscitello said.
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    just trying to make sense out of all of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    Well,at one time, LE seemed pretty sure that Misty was gone. If they've ruled that out, IDK. I remember seeing an Art Harris interview with Misty's mother, and she talked about being interviewed by the cops. She said they asked her if she and Misty were together that night, and she said of course not, because HC was in the hospital, and Misty was at Ron's, 'supposedly'. Well, if that was such a ridiculous question, why did cops ask it? Her answer wasn't very clear, as par for the course, but her saying that she was with HC, didn't necessarily mean Misty couldn't have been there too. I got the impression that she was alibing herself, because cops thought she might have been somewhere with Misty, not the other way around. Anyway, my long drawn out point, is that Misty could have been with family, and not dealing drugs to outsiders. Also, at 1st, LC gave the impression that she talked to Misty, right after the abduction, and gave her motherly advice, but then she admitted that it was actually HC who Misty talked to. So, if HC was so hurt, and LC was right beside him, why didn't she take the call from her daughter? And why the misleading? Anyway, this LE has been so tight lipped, that I find it very interesting to hear the questions they ask in interviews. It kind of shows, where their train of thought is...like JS, from the bus stop, and T and C's multi hour interview. All MOO.
    BBM. BBM in red in my post is response.

    I also use what LE is saying and doing to try and gauge what is going on. At one point towards the beginning, X came forward and said Misty wasn't there the night of February 9th because she was at a party, the same party X was at. Then at least one or two other people came forward and said the same thing, so LE was all over it. IMO, this is what went public and got a lot of people seeing LE was questioning Misty being at the MH. LE discovered there was a party, Misty was there, so were all the people who said they were, but the party was not the night of February 9th, so while this proves Misty was not at this particular party on the evening of 2/9, it does not prove she was therefore at the MH that night.

    IMO it depends on what you think might have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    I guess I just don't understand. Why does it matter who's living with who or where they're working or not working 3 years AFTER Haleigh vanished? Don't get me wrong, there's a couple of them I'd like to know where they were living or working the NIGHT she disappeared, but not now.

    Unless someone can show me something I'm missing, I don't see why this newest revelation should matter to me. I came to the conclusion long ago that these people are a different breed of cat from any I've ever run across before.

    I have no shot at understanding why they do what they do, then or now.
    I get what you're saying.

    IMO, Crystal living with TN and/or AS was unexpected and startling, and people wanted to comment on it, including me. Also, IMO, though I don't share these theories, there are some who think Haleigh's death was planned, like a hit, and they think TN and/or AS were involved. If this were the case, it stands to reason Jr might now be in danger, like in the lion's den, so to speak. So going by that, I understand how some people think this relates back to what happened to Haleigh.

    ^^^^^None of the above reflects my thought processes, just to be doubly clear, just trying to illustrate why some might find this relevant.

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