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    I've been doing some research and, apparently, cadaver dogs are a type of search and rescue dog. So, maybe LE was using cadaver dogs but didn't call them that? If that's the case, I think it's weird that MSM was reporting the distinction....search and rescue dogs were used but cadaver dogs most certainly were not. Why make the distinction, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougelatete View Post
    I've been doing some research and, apparently, cadaver dogs are a type of search and rescue dog. So, maybe LE was using cadaver dogs but didn't call them that? If that's the case, I think it's weird that MSM was reporting the distinction....search and rescue dogs were used but cadaver dogs most certainly were not. Why make the distinction, then?
    Who knows why they clarified or used those words. Maybe the reason that we don't understand it is because we are not the ones LE had in mind when they chose to use that wording. It could have been so that the person responsible didn't go further to the deep end. KWIM?

    Another thought:
    Why would they get a hit of an alive Sky on the garbage chute? Could JB have recently been getting rid of all of Sky's belongings or items that he had touched at some point? Would she just walk by and shove them/drop the items through the chute if they were clothes, blankets, sheets, shoes, towels? If it were me, I wouldn't bag those items up since they could be easily stacked and carried by themselves. (But I am also thrifty and I wouldn't want to use one of my kitchen garbage bags for that.) Although, I would use a saved grocery bag if I really needed to bag it first. If a grocery bag had been used, that wouldn't necessarily be air-tight so, could his scent possibly have been picked up if that were the case?
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    Princesspjs -- did you see an article in MSM saying that LE used dogs to search the trash chutes in JB's building?

    I found this in an article:

    BELLEVUE, Wash. -- KING 5 News has learned that authorities searching for missing two-year-old Sky Metalwala inspected two garbage transfer stations and a landfill on Tuesday and now believe there is the possibility that they may need to begin digging through 50,000 tons of garbage.

    FBI agents, among other law enforcement, visited the Houghton Transfer Station in Kirkland and the Factoria Transfer Station in Bellevue, as well as the Cedar Hills landfill where garbage that passes through those facilities is buried.

    No information on what they found was provided. It is not uncommon in cases like this to trace garbage. Earlier this week authorities searched Dumpsters and trash chutes in the building where Julia Biryukova lives with her children.
    But it only says the trash chutes were searched -- not how. BBM. I wonder, did they just search the chutes looking for Sky, use search and rescue dogs, or use cadaver dogs (if there is a difference).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GARV View Post
    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Freitas was representing her in the divorce proceedings, Wyman was representing her in the custody proceedings for M, and I think Flennaugh must be her defense attorney.
    Here's a quote backing up part of what you wrote, GARV. The article is from November 10th:

    Biryukova has hired a new attorney -- Robert Flennaugh, a Seattle lawyer who specializes in criminal defense law.
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    And then this is published on November 18th -- days after Robert Flennaugh was retained. Seems Veronica Freitas is working more than just the divorce attorney angle:

    One of Biryukova's lawyers, Veronica Freitas, challenged the police assertions that Biryukova has not cooperated.

    "She gave them her home, car, computer, cellphone. She talked to them for hours. What else is she supposed to do?" Freitas said last week.

    Freitas said she advised Biryukova not to take a polygraph test because Biryukova is emotionally overwhelmed and the tests are notoriously unreliable.

    A second Biryukova attorney, Robert Flennaugh, has said in an email that his office does not discuss ongoing cases.
    I'm sure he loved that VF is speaking to the media about the case, then.

    So, JB has THREE lawyers. How is that possible??!

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    Quote Originally Posted by princesspjs View Post
    Who knows why they clarified or used those words. Maybe the reason that we don't understand it is because we are not the ones LE had in mind when they chose to use that wording. It could have been so that the person responsible didn't go further to the deep end. KWIM?

    Another thought:
    Why would they get a hit of an alive Sky on the garbage chute? Could JB have recently been getting rid of all of Sky's belongings or items that he had touched at some point? Would she just walk by and shove them/drop the items through the chute if they were clothes, blankets, sheets, shoes, towels? If it were me, I wouldn't bag those items up since they could be easily stacked and carried by themselves. (But I am also thrifty and I wouldn't want to use one of my kitchen garbage bags for that.) Although, I would use a saved grocery bag if I really needed to bag it first. If a grocery bag had been used, that wouldn't necessarily be air-tight so, could his scent possibly have been picked up if that were the case?
    I think she would have bagged items belonging to Sky multiple times, given her history of bagging things (I'm thinking of the Tide bottle in that photo) and because she would think (in her mind) that this would make them harder to find or that they wouldn't be noticed as easily. I think she would use trash bags. Just my two cents, Ppjs!
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    Maybe we can glean more info by taking another look at Solomon's court documents....maybe get some more insight into Julia's behavior and style?

    http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...+Metalwala.pdf

    I see people posting on Sky's various facebook pages and they're asking if he's been found yet. This troubles me. LE's not talking and MSM isn't able to spread any new word because they don't have any material to work with. This means people are forgetting and they think Sky must have been found. If LE didn't find anything of value out at Watershed Park, then why are they so tight-lipped? It seemed like they were desperate for public awareness (and tips) prior to that search. It makes me think they're bluffing and they really did find something of evidentiary value out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougelatete View Post
    .... It makes me think they're bluffing and they really did find something of evidentiary value out there.

    We can't let Sky be forgotten! Take a look at the old court documents and see if anything new strikes you.
    LE are experienced people, and J story was "light":
    ~ who will leave sick baby alone and walk with healthy one .....
    ~ story about gas was fake
    ~ if they find that is not trace of baby, that even dogs can't feel it, they make their conclusions, but I am sure they investigated and followed every
    step she did and does
    ~ her decision to not talk and to not take a lie detector test proove that she is afraid.
    ~ she takes lawyers before she is officially accused means that LE investigated and probably talked with her, she's afraid. She has bad dreams if she can sleep - I can't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougelatete View Post
    Maybe we can glean more info by taking another look at Solomon's court documents....maybe get some more insight into Julia's behavior and style?

    http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...+Metalwala.pdf

    We can't let Sky be forgotten! Take a look at the old court documents and see if anything new strikes you.
    Snipped the above for space.

    Thank you Rougelatete for posting the Declaration and suggesting we review. I needed a refresher!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougelatete View Post
    Princesspjs -- did you see an article in MSM saying that LE used dogs to search the trash chutes in JB's building?

    I found this in an article:



    But it only says the trash chutes were searched -- not how. BBM. I wonder, did they just search the chutes looking for Sky, use search and rescue dogs, or use cadaver dogs (if there is a difference).

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/sky-...133499358.html
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    Did Sky and M have playmates? (ever????) Were they ever allowed to join a play group? We know they had no medical care (minus the one trip to the Natureopath), when SM was unable to continue to provide basic needs for the children (ie: food) - just how long would it take for little Sky to spiral into a "failure to thrive" situation? Compounded with the knowledge that even JB's Mother said Sky was always happy unless he was "hungry". The rules at JB's were so restrictive. No food, no toileting, no bed, no play outside with others (?), cleaning was the order of the day - every day! (every moment of every day). How does that translate into the mind of a child? You are not as important as cleaning. You are dirty, unhappy, hungry, oppositional, unwanted, too much like your Father, un-important, unloved, unworthy, alone in your pain - child.

    We have seen evidence of little MM "caretaking" for Sky. She provided hugs and nurturance (in pictures). She appeared to have characteristics of a "Parentified Child" from what little I can glean about the children. My heart aches - I am still trying to get a sense of little Sky's personality and I just can't. Solomon's limited info was nearly half of Sky's life ago . . . he was just beginning to develop his personality when visits were stopped with his Daddy. JB has never described Sky's personality to anyone (that I am aware of).

    Wouldn't you want people to know if your missing child was: friendly, shy, silly, likes singing, loves to eat________, is fascinated by ________, knows his name and ABC's, favorite toy, favorite anything? What distinguishing attributes does Sky have (other the the most obvious beautiful eyes and face?) How would a stranger recognize him from other children who might look similar, in order to be concerned enough to contact LE? What can you tell us that helps us to understand this little man's temperment?

    Julia, did you ever even really know your son? Did he have a lasting impression on you that he was an individual? The time has come to help find your son! You have no reason to argue that you are just too "emotional" to take a lie detector test - it's been too long. If in fact JB is too emotional - she needs help!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by princesspjs View Post
    What would I do without you Rouge? I think that's exactly what I saw and I just assumed...I need to pay closer attention!!
    Sigh. What would I do without YOU, Princess?! And ALL of my excellent sleuthers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenwe4 View Post
    Did Sky and M have playmates? (ever????) Were they ever allowed to join a play group? We know they had no medical care (minus the one trip to the Natureopath), when SM was unable to continue to provide basic needs for the children (ie: food) - just how long would it take for little Sky to spiral into a "failure to thrive" situation? Compounded with the knowledge that even JB's Mother said Sky was always happy unless he was "hungry". The rules at JB's were so restrictive. No food, no toileting, no bed, no play outside with others (?), cleaning was the order of the day - every day! (every moment of every day). How does that translate into the mind of a child? You are not as important as cleaning. You are dirty, unhappy, hungry, oppositional, unwanted, too much like your Father, un-important, unloved, unworthy, alone in your pain - child.

    We have seen evidence of little MM "caretaking" for Sky. She provided hugs and nurturance (in pictures). She appeared to have characteristics of a "Parentified Child" from what little I can glean about the children. My heart aches - I am still trying to get a sense of little Sky's personality and I just can't. Solomon's limited info was nearly half of Sky's life ago . . . he was just beginning to develop his personality when visits were stopped with his Daddy. JB has never described Sky's personality to anyone (that I am aware of).

    Wouldn't you want people to know if your missing child was: friendly, shy, silly, likes singing, loves to eat________, is fascinated by ________, knows his name and ABC's, favorite toy, favorite anything? What distinguishing attributes does Sky have (other the the most obvious beautiful eyes and face?) How would a stranger recognize him from other children who might look similar, in order to be concerned enough to contact LE? What can you tell us that helps us to understand this little man's temperment?

    Julia, did you ever even really know your son? Did he have a lasting impression on you that he was an individual? The time has come to help find your son! You have no reason to argue that you are just too "emotional" to take a lie detector test - it's been too long. If in fact JB is too emotional - she needs help!!!
    I don't have the time right now, but here's a jumping off point.

    IIRC, there are pictures at the church from October where they celebrated a fall festival or something like that (in lieu of Halloween). Kids were there.

    Next, we have Julia's closest friends. Gramma and the one who she called when she "ran out of gas." Gramma was a member of the church. The other, I'm not so sure. I don't believe she had kids either, but I could be wrong.

    Both testified for her in court. When was the last time Gramma testified? Remember, Solomon was looking for the last time someone saw Sky. So, that right there indicates to me that she stopped going to church. When was that? Did Gramma stop talking to her? Solomon was getting ready to go to church the morning the car "ran out of gas." So, he still went and is still supported by his church family.

    I think a detailed timeline where we include the pictures, the testimonies, and the last known sighting of Sky will offer some insight as to when she turned inside and didn't go out much/her OCD escalated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    I think a detailed timeline where we include the pictures, the testimonies, and the last known sighting of Sky will offer some insight as to when she turned inside and didn't go out much/her OCD escalated.
    Respectfully snipped for space. I can tell you that JB is still facebook friends with the person who picked her up at the gas station on November 6th and reported Sky missing. I'm re-posting my timeline (one that I merged with a timeline Jash had begun developing). Maybe people could add to that or derive something new from looking it over:

    Updated Timeline:

    * September 27, 2010: SM and JB appear before the courts and shared custody is rendered. JB is "primary parent"; temporary DSMS protective order and temporary restraining order issued (not sure against whom?)
    * September 28, 2010: JB rejoices on facebook that she was deemed "the primary parent" by the courts
    ~early Oct 2010 - JB goes to police and says SM is planning to take M out of state*
    * October 28, 2010: "Exchange from hell" audio recording
    * November 5, 2010: Second audio recording of exchange
    * Nov-Dec, 2010: JB accuses SM of abusing Sky and M
    * Dec 14, 2010: PET order for protection, temporary order for protection issued
    * Dec 28, 2010: Order reissuing temporary protective order
    * January 6, 2011: SM takes polygraph re abuse
    * Mar 3, 2011: Order for Protection and Temporary Restraining Order issued (against SM I assume, the court info doesn't specify)
    * August 31, 2011: JB is listed as a defendent in a complaint filed in King County Superior Court (likely for SM’s store)
    * September 21, 2011: another notice of unlawful detainer in the court records
    * October 14th: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments (I called to verify)
    * October 15th or 16th: Neighbor claims to see Sky; my source believes JB killed Sky sometime during these two days (unverified)
    * October 19th: SVU "Missing Pieces" airs
    * October 21st: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments
    *October 24th: JB proposed waiving support if she could take the kids to Scottsdale or Russia. As someone on here guessed, that may have been a desperate attempt to avoid having to produce both children and thus exposing Sky's absence.
    * October 26th: JB accesses Sugar Daddies site before taking a long hiatus. Was she hoping to get some money to flee with M and leave all her problems behind?
    * October 27th: JB borrows SB's car (unverified date, but it’s likely it happened on this day or right around this day). It’s unclear what her intentions were at that time (could have been a way to disappear with M and avoid answering questions) but ultimately this car enabled her to stage the disappearance. There is also the possibility she used the car to dispose of evidence. Why did she ask for ten days???
    * October 28th: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments
    * November 1st/2nd: JB attends the mediation and for nearly 12 hours, she digs in her heels and refuses to agree to anything. This suggests she had not come up with a plan yet. Eventually, she is worn down and agrees. The children were reportedly left unattended at home.
    *November 4th (at 1:28am): JB's last public facebook wall posting
    *November 4th (approximately 1:30am): JB goes to her car; this is tracked by a FoB at Veloce Apartments -- was she disposing of evidence? Preparing an alibi by hiding a doll in a blanket?
    * November 4th: JB backs out of custody agreement. She is likely continuing to stall for time here.
    * November 4th: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments
    * November 5th: REPEAT of SVU's "Missing Pieces." This may be where she developed her plan for an alibi since less than 24 hours later....
    * November 6th: Sky is reported missing by JB; JB reportedly calls SB to tell him and is “crying hysterically.”
    * November 17th: Flurry of flickr uploads to JB's account
    * November 27th: JB's flickr account goes private
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    Update: I believe that friend might be Mormon/CLDS. I don't think City Church is of that denomination so I don't think she belongs to the same church as JB.
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