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    If I look at a few of the facts, and take away the changing stories and lies, etc...I can see a different kind of theory. Misty had a wild weekend. A witness saw RC almost run down some people at the morning bus stop. A witness put Misty at the afternoon bus stop, complaining about bad dope. Cops said they had reason to believe Misty was gone that night. Jr said a black man, in black, took Haleigh. He had squeaky shoes and then the couch bounced. A neighbor heard a late scream, and another neighbor saw Misty crying on the phone. Honestly, I can see how some of the lies could have gotten started. RC lying about the bus stop, because they were up to criminal activity, and Misty lying about being at the trailer all night, could have set off a whole chain of events. In Misty's LVA, she failed a question about Ron's involvement, and she said she had heard things about her brother. At that time, it didn't appear that she had a complete story, and was suspecting everybody. If Tommy and others, were the types to make up stuff for bragging purposes, then I could see how Misty could get stuff in her head, (thinking it was the truth), and fail LDTs. The same with Tommy. It all depends on what questions they were asked and failed. I could very easily see Tommy making up the story about checking on Misty. He wanted out of jail, and may have been giving cops what he thought they wanted. Now, thinking he fabricated the whole JO story, is harder to swallow, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Misty recanted. Why hasn't he? When my daughter was in jr high, she had a little trouble at church. The youth director called us in, and told my husband and me, a crazy story. My dd denied it. He then called a girl, put her on speaker phone, and she told the same story, but with a lot more details, (and gleefully, I might add). She said she witnessed the incident, and then my dd filled her in on the rest. Well, I didn't believe my daughter. I took her to the bathroom and basically tried to shake a confession out of her, and even slapped her once. I just couldn't believe that everybody but her had the same story, but only SHE was telling the truth. She finally said she didn't remember anything happening, but maybe she forgot some stuff. When we got back to the meeting, the youth director called the pastor, and put him on speaker phone. He said HE walked in on the incident, and the girl was NOT my daughter. Earlier, the assistant youth director, said the pastor had also seen my daughter! He was lying, in an attempt to get my daughter to confess. The look on his face was, 'ut oh, I just got busted'. His stupid college gf had also claimed that she walked in on the incident, and he took her word for it... just a bunch of liars. So, 1st of all, I can see how an innocent person can be swayed into 'giving in', because of pressure, and I can also see how 1 lie turns into another, and so forth. Also, lying is contagious, and people who aren't involved, jump in and insert themselves. Also, for the record, I never let the youth directors know, that I had doubts about my daughter. I told them that if she said she didn't do it, then she didn't do it. But, all this really depends on what questions they failed. Misty knows a lot, but when did her knowledge start? And how? MOO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I put more stock in the statement by an actual police officer on camera saying Ron was at work and there's video than I do what I consider (from the context of the statements) the musings of the former attorney for Crystal Sheffield.
    As far as Ron leaving work in the past, for me this is still rumor, however, even if it is true, apparently it did not go unnoticed, or people wouldn't be able to report it.
    I agree. Ron's attorney said witnesses at supper break saw Ron or ate with him, he was captured on video throughout his shift and except for bathroom breaks, (which IMO is why they are not 100% sure.. no cameras allowed there), know his alibi is tight.
    Some latched onto rumor as if it were fact and have never let go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkay882 View Post
    I agree. Ron's attorney said witnesses at supper break saw Ron or ate with him, he was captured on video throughout his shift and except for bathroom breaks, (which IMO is why they are not 100% sure.. no cameras allowed there), know his alibi is tight.
    Some latched onto rumor as if it were fact and have never let go.
    Well when Shoemaker or PCSO produces the video that shows Ron C can be accounted for the entire night then I might possibly believe he was there the entire night, however bottom line for me IS.... Whatever happened to Haleigh occurred before Ron C high tailed into work in order to have an alibi...JMHO..
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    I wasn't sure if this was a serious question being asked or not..It's pretty obvious I would think . It involves her doing a little math . do i take what im getting and do the however long she got 15 years i think, or do i talk more which will get me the rest of my life in here ..On her part thats why she isn't talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    I don't think Misty is going to tell the truth, because the truth would implicate her as the one who murdered Haleigh.
    Oh, I love you, but no way did Misty murder Haleigh. It was Ron all the way, there is no way in heck she murdered Haleigh and Ron would cover it up. the only way she is responsible is if she gave her drugs on Rons orders. Dont you think the LE when she was in her many LDT asked her if she killed Haleigh? If it had come back as not being the truth, they would not have targeted Ron, no way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    When CS was on Geraldo, she said Jr said Misty was asleep, when Haleigh was taken. Was Misty there and told the truth for the most part? Was she there, and faking sleep? Was she gone, and for some reason, she and whoever convinced Jr, she was there? I try to take what's at face value in this case, but this particular detail's a toughy...because cops said they had reason to believe Misty wasn't there, and they also took Tommy's word that she was gone. Jr knows what he saw, that's for sure, but Misty being asleep, is the kind of detail he might not have focused in on. If she was there, did he wake her up? then what? According to CS, (if I'm remembering correctly), the guy who took Haleigh, was a black man in black. Surely Jr would know the difference between a white and black man, but maybe his story, got mixed up in the telling? If what Jr said, is taken at face value, there's not much room for Tommy, JO, loud fights and rages over guns, etc...If Jr heard squeaky shoes, then there was no screaming. If Misty got home to a dead Haleigh, and called Tommy for help, why didn't one or both of them, just admit it? Jr said the man took Haleigh. He didn't say he left her on the couch. If Misty got home to a gone Haleigh, why all the lies? to simply cover her being gone? Now, that seems pointless. I'm still inclined to think that Misty was probably gone, they convinced Jr she was there, and she got home to a dead Haleigh...which would explain her screaming. Omg, I'm back to square 1.

    Thankyou! I have never heard that Jr. said Misty was asleep. If Misty got home to Haleigh gone, then she wouldn't know if Tommy did it or not. I've always thought the whole Croslin bunch was called over and they found Haleigh out behind the trailer then covered it up, and tried to pin it on Joe because he knew there were calls back and forth and people leaving in vans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    If I look at a few of the facts, and take away the changing stories and lies, etc...I can see a different kind of theory. Misty had a wild weekend. A witness saw RC almost run down some people at the morning bus stop. A witness put Misty at the afternoon bus stop, complaining about bad dope. Cops said they had reason to believe Misty was gone that night. Jr said a black man, in black, took Haleigh. He had squeaky shoes and then the couch bounced. A neighbor heard a late scream, and another neighbor saw Misty crying on the phone. Honestly, I can see how some of the lies could have gotten started. RC lying about the bus stop, because they were up to criminal activity, and Misty lying about being at the trailer all night, could have set off a whole chain of events. In Misty's LVA, she failed a question about Ron's involvement, and she said she had heard things about her brother. At that time, it didn't appear that she had a complete story, and was suspecting everybody. If Tommy and others, were the types to make up stuff for bragging purposes, then I could see how Misty could get stuff in her head, (thinking it was the truth), and fail LDTs. The same with Tommy. It all depends on what questions they were asked and failed. I could very easily see Tommy making up the story about checking on Misty. He wanted out of jail, and may have been giving cops what he thought they wanted. Now, thinking he fabricated the whole JO story, is harder to swallow, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Misty recanted. Why hasn't he? MOO
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    While we haven't heard that Tommy recanted the Joe story, we can't be 100% sure he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    Well when Shoemaker or PCSO produces the video that shows Ron C can be accounted for the entire night then I might possibly believe he was there the entire night, however bottom line for me IS.... Whatever happened to Haleigh occurred before Ron C high tailed into work in order to have an alibi...JMHO..

    First it would nice to know:
    1. what happened -- when & where.
    2. the exact hours that Ron worked. Have heard so many that someone claims to be the absolute truth -- well all but one has to be wrong and I'd even question that one at this point.
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    I believe Misty has told what she knows and I dont believe she really knows exactly what happened beyond waking up or coming home and finding Haleigh missing. I dont not believe in any way that she did anything to harm Haleigh or to cause her disappearance. I think Ron knows exactly what happened. After a weekend of partying I think it was fairly easy to confuse Misty as to whats she remembers and what Ron has told her she remembers. LE would not accept "I dont remember, I'm not sure and I dont know" as a truthful answer from Misty and pressured her into giving info she didnt have. I think Ron set Misty up to where she couldnt possibly make any sense of what happened that night.

    I have always felt this had something to do with Ron, drugs and debts he owed and Haleigh was taken to collect on the debt. If Ron felt Misty was responsible there is no way he would protect her or cover for her.

    Misty was an illiterate 17 yr old girl from a family of drug addicts who was living with an abusive 25 yr old man and caring for his kids. Her mother was willing to turn on her for not sharing drugs and grandma Hollars says Misty must have liked being sexually abused by JO. WTF?

    And IMO.....since Misty is poor white trash who uses drugs and sleeps around and who has developed self protective survival skills she will never be seen by many as a child nor a victim who has suffered lifelong abuse. I cant imagine growing up this way and I can easily understand why she has a few issues.

    I agree that jail might be one of the better things that has happened to Misty and it does sadden me to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    Well when Shoemaker or PCSO produces the video that shows Ron C can be accounted for the entire night then I might possibly believe he was there the entire night, however bottom line for me IS.... Whatever happened to Haleigh occurred before Ron C high tailed into work in order to have an alibi...JMHO..
    I'm with you on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    When CS was on Geraldo, she said Jr said Misty was asleep, when Haleigh was taken. Was Misty there and told the truth for the most part? Was she there, and faking sleep? Was she gone, and for some reason, she and whoever convinced Jr, she was there? I try to take what's at face value in this case, but this particular detail's a toughy...because cops said they had reason to believe Misty wasn't there, and they also took Tommy's word that she was gone. Jr knows what he saw, that's for sure, but Misty being asleep, is the kind of detail he might not have focused in on. If she was there, did he wake her up? then what? According to CS, (if I'm remembering correctly), the guy who took Haleigh, was a black man in black. Surely Jr would know the difference between a white and black man, but maybe his story, got mixed up in the telling? If what Jr said, is taken at face value, there's not much room for Tommy, JO, loud fights and rages over guns, etc...If Jr heard squeaky shoes, then there was no screaming. If Misty got home to a dead Haleigh, and called Tommy for help, why didn't one or both of them, just admit it? Jr said the man took Haleigh. He didn't say he left her on the couch. If Misty got home to a gone Haleigh, why all the lies? to simply cover her being gone? Now, that seems pointless. I'm still inclined to think that Misty was probably gone, they convinced Jr she was there, and she got home to a dead Haleigh...which would explain her screaming. Omg, I'm back to square 1.

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    You crack me up! This is what happens every single time i try come up with a theory that makes sense all the way around, involving all those currently in jail. i keep going back to square one, to the same players, and IMO, JMO but that is for a reason. They have not been cleared for a reason. kwim? JMO
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    Except this is not an abduction but I can see Ron putting on black and snatching his daughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I put more stock in the statement by an actual police officer on camera saying Ron was at work and there's video than I do what I consider (from the context of the statements) the musings of the former attorney for Crystal Sheffield.

    As far as Ron leaving work in the past, for me this is still rumor, however, even if it is true, apparently it did not go unnoticed, or people wouldn't be able to report it.
    I'm with you Lanie. and ITA it's rumor. LE also said Ronald picked HaLeigh up. I tend to go with what LE states. JMO
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    What could she say if she wasn't there? Except that she wasn't there that night!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    Well when Shoemaker or PCSO produces the video that shows Ron C can be accounted for the entire night then I might possibly believe he was there the entire night, however bottom line for me IS.... Whatever happened to Haleigh occurred before Ron C high tailed into work in order to have an alibi...JMHO..
    I also believe whatever happened to Haleigh probably happened before Ron left for work. It was said that a neighbor had seen Haleigh playing in the yard early evening but we never heard that directly from said neighbor so until it is confirmed it really is no more than a rumor that was latched onto as truth. Also--we've never seen or heard from the alleged AC man and he has never been named, so his existence isn't even confirmed, or at least his visit to the home on that particular evening is not confirmed. And even if an AC person was there we don't know who it was or if they actually saw Haleigh or if they would have known who she was even if they did report having seen kids playing anywhere in the vicinity.

    For me there are too many rumors floating around this case and IMO the ones that have been accepted with fewest questions center around neighbors or others supposed statements...statements that we have not seen come directly from their mouths. IMO the reason certain things were fairly easily accepted as fact is because they came from LE or it was believed they came from LE.

    Whether people want to believe it or not LE is not always on the up and up with information on a case. They put out info that they think might help the case without harming it, and sometimes that is something with no foundation, something that is no more than bait for whoever they might be looking at. So I do not buy into the idea that because LE said something it is fact.

    ETA: I think Misty has talked but because of all her initial lies (yes, they all have lied and lied) whatever she claimed required proof and she cannot prove anything. Even with a passed polygraph I believe some sort of proof or evidence of the crime would be needed. And unfortunately there is no evidence anymore. I believe even if someone were to CONFESS today, no charges would be brought because there would be no evidence to take to trial, and no way to prove their confession.
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