Resolved FL - Hollywood, Human skull at Oak Lake Park, Jan'12 - Used for Ritual

CarlK90245 · Jan 31, 2012

A skull that was found in Oak Lake Park over the weekend was determined to be that of a human, authorities said Monday. And its discovery has prompted a probe into whose remains ended up in the water near North 56th Avenue and Douglas Street.

The skull was discovered by Nicholas Vargas and Matthew Fischer, both 15, around 5:30 p.m. Saturday, police said.

They wanted to go swimming in the lake and tried to pull a shopping cart out of the water, Vargas said.

"I just found a vase [inside the cart] and I just dumped it out and I found the skull," he said.

Judging from the small size of the skull, Vargas thinks it was a child, he said.

"Somebody who doesn't care about kids just killed him and threw them in the lake," he said. "It's messed up how they can do that to a young kid."

Read More:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/br...lywood-skull-folo-20120130-20,0,1364674.story

We shouldn't presume that this is a child's skull until the authorities say so. I've seen speculation of this nature before that turned out not to be true from people who have found remains.

CarlK90245 · Jan 31, 2012

The only child on my list from Hollywood FL is Pilar Sophia Rodriguez

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rodriguez_pilar.html

However, the narrative indicates that she was probably disposed of in a different county.

distracted 1976 · Jan 31, 2012

Sad to say that there are many children missing from surrounding areas.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...act=usMapSearch&missState=FL&searchLang=en_US

It does strike me that this skull was found in a vase. I would wager that this has to be on the smaller size.

Hopefully someone has answers with this find and justice is served!

Wanting2Help · Jan 31, 2012

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/human-skull-lake-hollywood_n_1242255.html

video @ link

distracted 1976 · Jan 31, 2012

Wanting2Help said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/human-skull-lake-hollywood_n_1242255.html

video @ link

Very good pic of skull at link. I would love someone with expert eyes to look at it and share their thoughts! Ahhheeeemmmmm Carl!! :innocent:

CarlK90245 · Jan 31, 2012

distracted 1976 said:
Very good pic of skull at link. I would love someone with expert eyes to look at it and share their thoughts! Ahhheeeemmmmm Carl!! :innocent:

I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert. But the orbits and nasal aperture do look quite large in proportion to the rest of the skull, which would seem to suggest that it might be a child. This is an un-expert opinion, but the wide nasal aperture and the rectangular orbits would seem to suggest that it is of a black person.

athy · Jan 31, 2012

how far would this be from where that little boy Aji went missing from? i know i spelled his name wrong, sorry.

Harmony 2 · Jan 31, 2012

athy said:
how far would this be from where that little boy Aji went missing from? i know i spelled his name wrong, sorry.

Adji went missing from Immokalee, Florida which is an hour and 40 minutes away from Hollywood Florida.

http://g.co/maps/ct8sh

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/desir_adji.html

LMax · Feb 1, 2012

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Hu...rden/-/1637132/8572556/-/10gmuj5/-/index.html
Another area in Florida. WINTER GARDEN, Fla. -
Three partial human skulls were uncovered Monday near a Winter Garden subdivision, police said.

distracted 1976 · Feb 1, 2012

Thanks Carl! I understand this is not your particular field of expertise, but you certainly have my respect as a self taught expert! :applause: Hope you know how appreciated you are on the UID forum!
That being said...I will put out there

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...aseNum=934322&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

She was a little over 4 when she went missing from Miami.

LMax said:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Hu...rden/-/1637132/8572556/-/10gmuj5/-/index.html
Another area in Florida. WINTER GARDEN, Fla. -
Three partial human skulls were uncovered Monday near a Winter Garden subdivision, police said.

Wow. Seems like a wave of remains being found. I will try to start a thread for these.

Reality Orlando · Feb 1, 2012

LMax said:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Hu...rden/-/1637132/8572556/-/10gmuj5/-/index.html
Another area in Florida. WINTER GARDEN, Fla. -
Three partial human skulls were uncovered Monday near a Winter Garden subdivision, police said.

I think this is up to 5 skulls now:

WINTER GARDEN, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Three human skulls were found buried in the back yard of a new Winter Garden home. According to police, a plumber digging in efforts to put pool pipes in discovered the first skull. Crime scene technicians and archeologists showed up and found two more.

Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...ed-in-winter-garden-neigborhood#ixzz1l96sKa4K

distracted 1976 · Feb 1, 2012

Reality Orlando said:
I think this is up to 5 skulls now:

WINTER GARDEN, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Three human skulls were found buried in the back yard of a new Winter Garden home. According to police, a plumber digging in efforts to put pool pipes in discovered the first skull. Crime scene technicians and archeologists showed up and found two more.

Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...ed-in-winter-garden-neigborhood#ixzz1l96sKa4K

I read it that the plumber found one and then the CSI's found 2 more equaling 3.

Kimster · Feb 1, 2012

Hey guys! This is getting crazy!

Let's try to focus on the one skull for this thread please, since that is what the Opening Post is about. Here's the other thread: FL FL - Winter Garden - 3 Partial Human skulls found - Jan'12 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

ETA: I meant all the remains being found in this area is getting crazy, not the thread.

athy · Feb 1, 2012

It almost like these skeletons have said enough!! we want to be found NOW!

audie · Feb 2, 2012

Well, the divers apparently found a safe also, so obviously that water is def a dumping area. Seems like an area that is accessible and concealed. jmo

audie · Apr 11, 2012

Over 2 months now. I guess no missing persons are a match yet.

reasypeasy · Apr 12, 2012

CarlK90245 said:
... would seem to suggest that it might be a child. ... would seem to suggest that it is of a black person.

I know it is a long time ago and quite some distance, but maybe that poor little headless girl found in Missouri (but suspected to be from out of state) in 1983. The 80s sure had a lot of large ugly vases. I'd like it to be her. Some isotope testing and a reconstruction could mean so much to making progress on a case like that.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/54ufmo.html

summer_breeze · Jun 6, 2012

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...igious-Ritual-Hollywood-Police-157382625.html

By Justin Finch | Wednesday, Jun 6, 2012 | Updated 8:07 AM EDT

<snipped>

Based on the religious artifacts found with the skull and the clay container they were all found in, an anthropologist determined the skull was used in a Palo Mayombe ritual.

mamashawn · Jun 7, 2012

summer_breeze said:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...igious-Ritual-Hollywood-Police-157382625.html

By Justin Finch | Wednesday, Jun 6, 2012 | Updated 8:07 AM EDT

<snipped>

The results suggest whomever the skull once belonged to was likely not a victim of foul play.

I'm a bit confused. How could a skull found in a vase NOT be the result of foul play?

CarlK90245 · Jun 8, 2012

mamashawn said:
I'm a bit confused. How could a skull found in a vase NOT be the result of foul play?

It might have been stolen from a cemetery.

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