View Poll Results: My beliefs on who is responsible for taking Lisa four months ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparklin View Post
    If Deb had to carry Lisa to the river, I'm sure she could too, taking her time and possibly resting every now and then... But factoring in that she had just killed her daughter, that Jeremy could be pulling into the drive, that she was drinking, that the boys could wake up, she was in a MAJOR rush and probably freaking out...it was dark, people in the area have said to walk it, you would have to traverse DOWN an incline that is not smooth sailing...not to mention accessing voicemail/internet on her way there...carrying Lisa of course ~ and LE has found not a trace of anything suspicious with her clothing and/or shoes?? Can't possibly add that she would have time to clean her shoes off without a trace.
    Why would she need to clean her shoes off? There has been very little precipitation in the area, they likely wouldn't be muddy. It's a 15 min walk down to the river. There is also no reason to believe JI wasn't also involved in it. Maybe he came home to a dead Lisa and he walked her down or drove her down and dropped her in the river. There are endless possibilities as to how/when/where they disposed of Lisa.

    Again, not my top theory but it's pretty doable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iamnotagolem View Post
    Why would she need to clean her shoes off? There has been very little precipitation in the area, they likely wouldn't be muddy. It's a 15 min walk down to the river. There is also no reason to believe JI wasn't also involved in it. Maybe he came home to a dead Lisa and he walked her down or drove her down and dropped her in the river. There are endless possibilities as to how/when/where they disposed of Lisa.

    Again, not my top theory but it's pretty doable.
    No. As a person who has ACTUALLY walked to the river, it is not a 15 minute walk and she would even take longer as I live closer to it. It might take 15 minutes to the AREA of the river, but more to actually get TO the river. Then you have to factor that she would also have to walk BACK to the house also. It is not as easy as it looks just by looking at a map. Been there, done that many times.
    The closest, easiest place to get to the river would also more than likely have drivers sitting in the parking area waiting for the grain elevator to open as is more common than not at that time of year. It would also depend on if any rail cars were waiting on the track blocking the path to the river also waiting in line for the elevator to open. Otherwise anybody would have to walk even further to get TO the river. The area just south of N Brighton is fenced off and wooded.

    And, yes, to actually get TO the river, it was muddy because the river was still receding from major flooding that happened over the summer, even though this area was in drought. The river had gone down about a foot or so in recent weeks, leaving mud and undercut banks making actually getting TO the river harder than usual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by In da Middle View Post
    No. As a person who has ACTUALLY walked to the river, it is not a 15 minute walk and she would even take longer as I live closer to it. It might take 15 minutes to the AREA of the river, but more to actually get TO the river. Then you have to factor that she would also have to walk BACK to the house also. It is not as easy as it looks just by looking at a map. Been there, done that many times.
    The closest, easiest place to get to the river would also more than likely have drivers sitting in the parking area waiting for the grain elevator to open as is more common than not at that time of year. It would also depend on if any rail cars were waiting on the track blocking the path to the river also waiting in line for the elevator to open. Otherwise anybody would have to walk even further to get TO the river. The area just south of N Brighton is fenced off and wooded.
    Thanks again for bringing a local perspective to the forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    Thanks again for bringing a local perspective to the forum.
    If you don't mind me asking also, the boys go to the elementary school behind the Lister house, correct? Do the kids from the neighborhood walk there, and what route do they take?

    I apologize in advance if asked and answered, I couldn't find it anywhere.

    and TIA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodGurl View Post
    If you don't mind me asking also, the boys go to the elementary school behind the Lister house, correct? Do the kids from the neighborhood walk there, and what route do they take?

    I apologize in advance if asked and answered, I couldn't find it anywhere.

    and TIA.
    I believe that In da Middle can help you. I'm not a local.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodGurl View Post
    If you don't mind me asking also, the boys go to the elementary school behind the Lister house, correct? Do the kids from the neighborhood walk there, and what route do they take?

    I apologize in advance if asked and answered, I couldn't find it anywhere.

    and TIA.
    They are technically considered walkers as we are too close to get bus service. Most do not walk though and are driven to and from school. The only 2 ways to walk to the school are going through the park and having to cross the creek or walking down Parvin Rd which is a very busy road and not safe for the kids to walk along then walk down Jackson which is even worse because it is narrow with no sidewalks and add school buses and vehicle traffic. Almost all of the kids from this neighborhood are riders but not bus riders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    There might have been several pairs of dirty shoes in the home and we wouldn't know. IMO it would prove nothing at this point because LE has no way to prove any dirty shoes are connected to Lisa's disappearance without evidence where she was taken.
    River mud is very different than average mud from a yard. LE had the house for several days. This should have been taken in consideration. River mud stinks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    There might have been several pairs of dirty shoes in the home and we wouldn't know. IMO it would prove nothing at this point because LE has no way to prove any dirty shoes are connected to Lisa's disappearance without evidence where she was taken.
    How did Debbie or anyone manage to avoid leaving any footprints??? There would be footprints on the river bank. And police and firefighters immediately searched along the river in that area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnn View Post
    How did Debbie or anyone manage to avoid leaving any footprints??? There would be footprints on the river bank. And police and firefighters immediately searched along the river in that area.
    Adding to this, it is also where they put their command center.


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    Casts of footprints were taken. The sightings by neighbors of the handyman carrying a baby and his route of travel is where the prints were casted. Too many sightings of the same individual within a few hours... as well as, the phone call received on his ex-girlfriends phone, from the one of the stolen phones. The local LE going door-to-door showing his picture and asking if he had been seen in the area that day. Him squating at the house down the street for months, then LE tearing it down and searching the well. Him being arrested for outstanding warrants. Those clues have not changed IMO. This is all MOO!


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    They did not immediately search the river from what I remember.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayKat View Post
    They did not immediately search the river from what I remember.
    Yes it was searched that very morning. Fire and Rescue coincidentally had a river search training session scheduled that very day and was put into use.


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    Quote Originally Posted by In da Middle View Post
    They are technically considered walkers as we are too close to get bus service. Most do not walk though and are driven to and from school. The only 2 ways to walk to the school are going through the park and having to cross the creek or walking down Parvin Rd which is a very busy road and not safe for the kids to walk along then walk down Jackson which is even worse because it is narrow with no sidewalks and add school buses and vehicle traffic. Almost all of the kids from this neighborhood are riders but not bus riders.
    In da Middle, I was wondering, do you know how DB gets the boys to school? If none of the kids take the bus, and DB doesn't drive, how do the boys get to and from? Just curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnn View Post
    How did Debbie or anyone manage to avoid leaving any footprints??? There would be footprints on the river bank. And police and firefighters immediately searched along the river in that area.
    I don't recall hearing anything from LE one way or the other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by melissasmom View Post
    In da Middle, I was wondering, do you know how DB gets the boys to school? If none of the kids take the bus, and DB doesn't drive, how do the boys get to and from? Just curious.
    Please don't take this the wrong way, because it is not intended toward you in any way shape or form, but with one missing child it scares me discussing how those boys get to and from school.


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