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    CA: Appeals Panel Overturns Prop 8's same-sex marriage ban

    Opponents of same-sex marriage have the option of appealing Tuesday’s decision to the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit or taking it directly to the Supreme Court, which has never ruled on the matter.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...kwQ_story.html


    The 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found that Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that limited marriage to one man and one woman, violated the U.S. Constitution. The architects of Prop. 8 have vowed to appeal.

    The ruling was narrow and likely to be limited to California.

    FULL COVERAGE: Prop. 8

    “Proposition 8 served no purpose, and had no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California,” the court said.
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    Hooray!!!
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    Good for CA.

    And, here we are in Minnesota, which will have a marriage amendment on the ballot in 2012, thanks to the Republican held legistature, which had it placed on the ballot.

    According to a poll taken by Public Policy Polling reported on Jan. 27, 48% of Minnesotans polled support an amendment that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman; 44% oppose. 1200 voters were surveyed.

    So, BACKWARD Minnesota may pass a marriage amendment, defining marriage as between a man and a woman, only to have it declared unconstitutional in the near future. Can you believe this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    Good for CA.

    And, here we are in Minnesota, which will have a marriage amendment on the ballot in 2012, thanks to the Republican held legistature, which had it placed on the ballot.

    According to a poll taken by Public Policy Polling reported on Jan. 27, 48% of Minnesotans polled support an amendment that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman; 44% oppose. 1200 voters were surveyed.

    So, BACKWARD Minnesota may pass a marriage amendment, defining marriage as between a man and a woman, only to have it declared unconstitutional in the near future. Can you believe this?
    Seriously? I always had the impression that MN was quite liberal for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    Seriously? I always had the impression that MN was quite liberal for the most part.
    Seriously. It's true.

    Minnesota USED to be progressive. I don't understand what happened really. This state has changed since the 1980's.

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    Well, don't feel too bad, even we are stuck with Senator Cosmo here in Mass!

    Hopefully he will soon be trounced back out by Eliz. warren, and we can just ignore his term as some weird abberation lol.
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    Kansas used to be one of the more progressive states in the Union. Read Thomas Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas? to understand the change in so many Heartland states.

    But Minnesotans need not despair: 44 to 48% isn't bad and time is on our side. Members of the younger generation have trouble understanding why this is even an issue.

    In the meantime, GREAT DAY FOR US CALIFORNIANS!

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    This article:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...iage-case.html

    suggests the Supreme Court may not even agree to hear an appeal. The reason? The appellate court's ruling is very narrow and based entirely on the idea that a majority vote may not target and eliminate the existing rights of a minority. The ruling applies only in California and it stops short of saying gays and lesbians have a fundamental right to marry a same-sex partner; it just says that once they do have that right, a majority vote can't take it away.

    Even people who are uncomfortable with gay marriage should think long and hard about whether you want your civil rights to depend on the whims of a majority vote. Next time, YOU may be the minority under attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    Well, don't feel too bad, even we are stuck with Senator Cosmo here in Mass!

    Hopefully he will soon be trounced back out by Eliz. warren, and we can just ignore his term as some weird abberation lol.
    Amen. Please try to vote at least twice for Ms. Warren. I'm sure they'll understand if you tell them you are voting once for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Kansas used to be one of the more progressive states in the Union. Read Thomas Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas? to understand the change in so many Heartland states.

    But Minnesotans need not despair: 44 to 48% isn't bad and time is on our side. Members of the younger generation have trouble understanding why this is even an issue.

    In the meantime, GREAT DAY FOR US CALIFORNIANS!

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    This article:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...iage-case.html

    suggests the Supreme Court may not even agree to hear an appeal. The reason? The appellate court's ruling is very narrow and based entirely on the idea that a majority vote may not target and eliminate the existing rights of a minority. The ruling applies only in California and it stops short of saying gays and lesbians have a fundamental right to marry a same-sex partner; it just says that once they do have that right, a majority vote can't take it away.

    Even people who are uncomfortable with gay marriage should think long and hard about whether you want your civil rights to depend on the whims of a majority vote. Next time, YOU may be the minority under attack.
    It might be a good thing for the Supreme Court to hear the case. I think there's a good chance the court would call laws against gay marriage discriminatory and unconstitutional.


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    I think gay marriage could be legal nationwide in maybe 80-100 years. Maybe. Not likely, but possible. No sooner.

    It took about fifteen generations to take slaves away from the One Percent, and another full century for dark skinned Americans just to get the right to vote in this land. Many thousands of Americans sit in cages at this very moment, their only "crime" being marijuana cultivation, a product safer than pure H2O.

    Personally I don't think we'll really see any efforts towards legalizing personal liberty in our lifetimes. Not if the uber conservative supremes can drag it out for a few more generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marauder View Post

    Personally I don't think we'll really see any efforts towards legalizing personal liberty in our lifetimes. Not if the uber conservative supremes can drag it out for a few more generations.
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    Sadly I have to agree with this sentiment. I would love to see it happen, but I think it will be a long struggle.

    As a conservative, who leans libertarian, I would love to see the government stay out of our marriages altogether. If people of the same sex want to marry, or multiple marriages...it doesn't affect me. I just can't see in good conscience, standing in the way of someone else's love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marauder View Post
    I think gay marriage could be legal nationwide in maybe 80-100 years. Maybe. Not likely, but possible. No sooner.

    It took about fifteen generations to take slaves away from the One Percent, and another full century for dark skinned Americans just to get the right to vote in this land. Many thousands of Americans sit in cages at this very moment, their only "crime" being marijuana cultivation, a product safer than pure H2O.

    Personally I don't think we'll really see any efforts towards legalizing personal liberty in our lifetimes. Not if the uber conservative supremes can drag it out for a few more generations.
    I fear you are right. But if we can keep gay marriage legal on the coasts and a few other states, such as Iowa, at least gay people will have places where they can live and know their homes and families are protected by law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    It might be a good thing for the Supreme Court to hear the case. I think there's a good chance the court would call laws against gay marriage discriminatory and unconstitutional.
    From your mouth to God's ear, as the saying goes.

    But after Bush v. Gore and Citizens United, I don't trust our Supreme Court to demonstrate common sense or even simple decency.

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